Moderators John317 Posted July 8, 2009 Moderators Posted July 8, 2009 MOSCOW, Russia (CNN) -- The United States is "absolutely not" giving Israel a green light to attack Iran, U.S. President Barack Obama told CNN Tuesday. President Obama meets Tuesday with Russian Prime Minister Vladimir Putin near Moscow. "We have said directly to the Israelis that it is important to try and resolve this in an international setting in a way that does not create major conflict in the Middle East," Obama said, referring to Iran's nuclear ambitions. Obama has been in Moscow for a summit aimed at trying to reset the U.S.-Russian relationship. On Sunday, U.S. Vice President Joe Biden appeared to leave the door open for Israel to attack Iran if it saw fit. "Israel can determine for itself -- it's a sovereign nation -- what's in their interest and what they decide to do relative to Iran and anyone else," Biden said on ABC's "This Week." Obama said Tuesday that Biden had simply been stating a fact, not sending a signal. "I think Vice President Biden stated a categorical fact, which is we can't dictate to other countries what their security interests are. What is also true is that it is the policy of the United States to resolve the issue of Iran's nuclear capabilities in a peaceful way through diplomatic channels," he said. Watch CNN's Ed Henry interview President Obama » Don't Miss U.S. wants strong, peaceful Russia, Obama says The top U.S. military leader, Adm. Mike Mullen, said later on Tuesday that he understands Israel's position. "The Israelis see Iran achieving a nuclear capability as an existential threat, and that fact is tied to the rhetoric of the leadership of Iran, which ... has said that they would seek to eliminate Israel," said Mullen, the chairman of the Joint Chiefs of Staff. His counterparts in the Gulf also understand the Israeli stance, whether or not they agree, Mullen said. "That gets back to the criticality ... of solving this before Iran gets a nuclear capability, or that anyone... would take action to strike them. And I think that window is a very narrow window," he said in a speech at the Center for Strategic and International Studies in Washington. He said he hoped diplomacy would resolve the issue. "I am hopeful that that dialogue is productive. I worry about it a great deal if it's not," Mullen said. The State Department took a similar line on Monday. "Our goal here is to prevent Iran from obtaining nuclear weapons. When I say 'our' it is just not the United States -- it is the international community," spokesman Ian Kelly said. "Israel is a sovereign country. We are not going to dictate its actions. We also are committed to Israel's security and we share Israel's deep concerns about Iran's nuclear program." Asked if this could be interpreted as the United States flashing a green light for Israel to attack Iran's nuclear sites, Kelly said, "I certainly would not want to give a green light to any kind of military action." The Israeli government considers Iran's nuclear program to be the dominant threat facing the country. Quote John 3:16-17 For God so loved the world, that he gave his only Son, that whoever believes in him should not perish but have eternal life. [17] For God did not send his Son into the world to condemn the world, but in order that the world might be saved through him.
Moderators John317 Posted July 8, 2009 Author Moderators Posted July 8, 2009 Will we? You bet. If Israel believes they must take out Iran's nuclear facilities, the US won't stand in the way. Quote John 3:16-17 For God so loved the world, that he gave his only Son, that whoever believes in him should not perish but have eternal life. [17] For God did not send his Son into the world to condemn the world, but in order that the world might be saved through him.
Woody Posted July 8, 2009 Posted July 8, 2009 Sometimes I think Obama is a loose cannon. Look what he has done in Afghanistan and now Iran. Quote May we be one so that the world may be won. Christian from the cradle to the grave I believe in Hematology.
Moderators Bravus Posted July 8, 2009 Moderators Posted July 8, 2009 Huh? How is hosing down a situation being a loose cannon? Unless maybe you mean a water cannon! Quote Truth is important
Woody Posted July 8, 2009 Posted July 8, 2009 More dead in Afghanistan than in years. Increased troops in harms way by the thousands. Threats to Iran. And killing the American economy. Hmmmmm Quote May we be one so that the world may be won. Christian from the cradle to the grave I believe in Hematology.
Moderators Bravus Posted July 8, 2009 Moderators Posted July 8, 2009 Quote: More dead in Afghanistan than in years. Remind me who started that war? I said all along that Afghanistan was close to impossible - just ask the Russians. This is GWB's chickens coming home to roost. Quote: Increased troops in harms way by the thousands. But, um, weren't you the biggest fan ever of The Surge? So, when Bush does it it's genius, when Obama does it... Quote: Threats to Iran. Um, no, read the article as well as the other one John posted. Massive hosing down of any perceived threats to Iran. Even Biden's comment, which was interpreted that way, was simply stating that Israel is a sovereign state. Quote: And killing the American economy. Nup, more Bush-chickens there: the economy was already in a steep death-spiral when Obama took office. C'mon, these are not even serious attempts! Quote Truth is important
Dr. Shane Posted July 8, 2009 Posted July 8, 2009 A few points we should keep in mind. 1. Obama supported the war in Afghanistan. He opposed the war in Iraq. 2. I predicted that Bush would not attack Iran. Others on this forum said I was wrong and that if we elected Bush to a second term he would attack Iran. I was obviously right and they were obviously wrong. 3. The economy crashed mostly due to the Federal Reserve. The part that politicians played was shared by both Republicans and Democrats over the period of several years. 4. The "fix" that has not worked was not of Bush alone. Bush had the summit with Obama and McCain during the campaign and all three of them agreed it was the thing to do. Quote Pastoral Family Counselor... Find me at www.PostumCafe.com Author of Peculiar Christianity
Moderators Bravus Posted July 8, 2009 Moderators Posted July 8, 2009 Good points all. I think it's also important to note that the 'fix' was never going to actually fix the problems with the economy, just cause a softer landing than otherwise. There had been a massive bubble in both real estate and the stock market, and pretty much everything was over-valued by at least a third. Something had to give, and did. Expecting that that stimulus would return the economy to pre-bubble-burst conditions was never realistic. Quote Truth is important
Moderators John317 Posted July 8, 2009 Author Moderators Posted July 8, 2009 It seems pretty clear that Obama and Biden are convinced that Iran wants the bomb and that their nuclear efforts are not just for peaceful purposes. Do do you still believe that Iran is definitely not attempting to build nuclear weapons? Quote John 3:16-17 For God so loved the world, that he gave his only Son, that whoever believes in him should not perish but have eternal life. [17] For God did not send his Son into the world to condemn the world, but in order that the world might be saved through him.
Moderators Bravus Posted July 8, 2009 Moderators Posted July 8, 2009 'Definitely' might be putting it a bit strongly, but I'm fairly confident that they're not. As I say, they haven't kicked out the IAEA inspectors, and the latest reports still say they're a massive distance from bomb-grade uranium. Info here: http://www.iaea.org/NewsCenter/Focus/IaeaIran/index.shtml http://www.iaea.org/Publications/Documents/Board/2009/gov2009-35.pdf Quote Truth is important
Ted Oplinger Posted July 8, 2009 Posted July 8, 2009 Nah, Bravus, it's just the old American saying that the "fix is in" - as in the insiders have the advantage, and the rest of the world gets to hold the empty bag. Everything Greenspan did was to form a bubble of one form or another - whether the dot-com bubble, the real estate bubble, the banking and finance bubble...both American parties basked in the glory when everything went well. This isn't just ol' GWB's chickens comin' home to roost... The Middle East came to a boil with Nixon and again with Carter...neither considered the future consequences. Nixon could have beat the Arab oil embargo by turning loose the oil industry to utilize US domestic supplies...but he was very distracted with both the Vietnam war and his own scandals... Carter was....well, a man who never should have assumed the mantle of US president (to be polite about it). The current Iranian mess is solely his legacy, and the American Democrat party has yet to find a clear, practical answer to this festering boil created by their own. Carter, more than any other Democrat, gave that party the image of being dithering fools when it came to foreign policy for the last 30 years. Nothing I've seen in Obama's administration has convinced me they've changed that image. I agree, though, with the desire to get back to pre-bubbles economic policies - like getting back on the gold standard, sensible trade platforms, reducing protectionism, etc. People won't like it, though, because they won't get wealthy so very fast, as they do with bubbles... Gotta roll...the gym awaits... Quote "As iron sharpens iron, so also does one man sharpen another" - Proverbs 27:17 "The offense of the cross is that the cross is a confession of human frailty and sin and of inability to do any good thing. To take the cross of Christ means to depend solely on Him for everything, and this is the abasement of all human pride. Men love to fancy themselves independent. But let the cross be preached, let it be made known that in man dwells no good thing and that all must be received as a gift, and straightway someone is offended." Ellet J. Waggoner, The Glad Tidings "Courage is being scared to death - and saddling up anyway" - John Wayne "The person who pays an ounce of principle for a pound of popularity gets badly cheated" - Ronald Reagan
Gordon1 Posted June 21, 2010 Posted June 21, 2010 Eleven American warships & Israeli vessel cross Suez Canal into Red Sea http://www.globalresearch.ca/index.php?context=va&aid=19823 Quote
Moderators John317 Posted June 21, 2010 Author Moderators Posted June 21, 2010 To quote degrimm60: Interesting. VERY INTERESTING. Quote John 3:16-17 For God so loved the world, that he gave his only Son, that whoever believes in him should not perish but have eternal life. [17] For God did not send his Son into the world to condemn the world, but in order that the world might be saved through him.
Members phkrause Posted June 22, 2010 Members Posted June 22, 2010 Eleven American warships & Israeli vessel cross Suez Canal into Red Sea http://www.globalresearch.ca/index.php?context=va&aid=19823 I agree John about quoting dgrimm. But the most interesting part of the article was this paragraph: "Retired Egyptian General Amin Radi, chairman of the national security affairs committee, told the paper that "the decision to declare war on Iran is not easy, and Israel, due to its wild nature, may start a war just to remain the sole nuclear power in the region." Israel is not the wild card here, its Iran and all the Arab and Muslim countries. I believe that that one reason alone is probably one of the few reasons the other countries don't declare war on Israel. But you can bet your sweet bippie that if and when Iran has there Nuclear Weapon they will use it with no hesitation. But you can also bet your sweet bippie that Israel will not allow this to happen! Quote phkrause When the righteous are in authority, the people rejoice; But when a wicked man rules, the people groan. Proverbs 29;2
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