Amelia Posted January 30, 2005 Posted January 30, 2005 Tsunami is Gods judgment By Ken Camp Jan 26, 2005 "Experiencing God" author Henry Blackaby believes the tsunamis that hit South Asia were God's punishment of an area where Christians have experienced particularly intense persecution. But some missions experts with links to the region question both his theology and his assertions about persecution. Blackaby told a Kentucky pastors' conference workshop he recognized God's hand of judgment in the tsunami after he saw a map published by Voice of the Martyrs showing areas of intense persecution of Christians worldwide. Many of the areas highlighted on that map "match to a T" the tsunami's impact, he said http://www.christian-underground.com/archive/print.php?sid=476 Quote <p><span style="color:#0000FF;"><span style="font-weight:bold;"><span style="font-style:italic;">"Do not use harmful words, but only helpful words, the kind that build up and provide what is needed, so that what you say will do good to those who hear you."</span></span> Eph 4:29</span><br><br><img src="http://banners.wunderground.com/weathersticker/gizmotimetemp_both/US/OR/Fairview.gif" alt="Fairview.gif"> Fairview Or</p>
Moderators Bravus Posted January 30, 2005 Moderators Posted January 30, 2005 Uhuh - this is exactly as credible as that map of the hurricanes hitting the red counties in Florida. Moron. (Henry, not Amelia!) Quote Truth is important
Amelia Posted January 30, 2005 Author Posted January 30, 2005 WHEW, Im glad you clarified. Quote <p><span style="color:#0000FF;"><span style="font-weight:bold;"><span style="font-style:italic;">"Do not use harmful words, but only helpful words, the kind that build up and provide what is needed, so that what you say will do good to those who hear you."</span></span> Eph 4:29</span><br><br><img src="http://banners.wunderground.com/weathersticker/gizmotimetemp_both/US/OR/Fairview.gif" alt="Fairview.gif"> Fairview Or</p>
Moderators Bravus Posted January 30, 2005 Moderators Posted January 30, 2005 <img src="/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/wink.gif" alt="" /> Quote Truth is important
aldona Posted January 30, 2005 Posted January 30, 2005 How does he explain things like the Christian church in Sri Lanka which was hit by the wave during Sunday services and collapsed, killing everybody inside? Or the home for disabled children run by a Christian religious group in Sri Lanka, which was destroyed and most of the residents perished? It's pronouncements like this that harden people's hearts towards the idea of "God" even more. aldona Quote www.asrc.org.au (Asylum Seeker Resource Centre, Melbourne)Helping over 2000 refugees & asylum seekers each monthIMSLP/Petrucci Music LibraryThe Public Domain Music Score Library - Free Sheet Music DownloadsLooking for classical sheet music? Try IMSLP first!
Robert Posted January 30, 2005 Posted January 30, 2005 Quote: How does he explain things like the Christian church in Sri Lanka which was hit by the wave during Sunday services and collapsed, killing everybody inside? Simple: God was really hot! He wanted some blood and he saw these infidels worshipping on Sunday, instead of Sabbath, so He killed all of them! And what's is really scary is that some really buy into my sarcasm....They really think God kills.... The God, made man, who would rather give up His life eternally so that His enemies might take His place in paradise, is not the same god many describe as causing these calamities! Next time an earthquake, tornado or Tsunami hits, let's call it and act of Satan instead of an act of God.... Quote
Nicodema Posted January 31, 2005 Posted January 31, 2005 Just tagging on... Notwithstanding my culpability in stirring the pot by posting the hurricane/Bush-counties map last year, I believe Jesus addresses the truth of these matters in the following gospel passage: 1 Now there were some present at that very season who told him of the Galilaeans, whose blood Pilate had mingled with their sacrifices. 2 And he answered and said unto them, Think ye that these Galilaeans were sinners above all the Galilaeans, because they have suffered these things? 3 I tell you, Nay: but, except ye repent, ye shall all in like manner perish. 4 Or those eighteen, upon whom the tower in Siloam fell, and killed them, think ye that they were offenders above all the men that dwell in Jerusalem? 5 I tell you, Nay: but, except ye repent, ye shall all likewise perish. 6 And he spake this parable; A certain man had a fig tree planted in his vineyard; and he came seeking fruit thereon, and found none. 7 And he said unto the vinedresser, Behold, these three years I come seeking fruit on this fig tree, and find none: cut it down; why doth it also cumber the ground? 8 And he answering saith unto him, Lord, let it alone this year also, till I shall dig about it, and dung it: 9 and if it bear fruit thenceforth, well; but if not, thou shalt cut it down. This is from Luke 13. Notice how Jesus first illustrates with a catastrophe said to be the hand of God, then states that we are ALL, each of us, subject to an ultimate dark fate unless we repent. He then tells this parable of the fig tree which, as someone recently pointed out to me, indicates a tree with NO fruit AT ALL ... not even one with poor fruits or few fruits, but one with NO FRUIT AT ALL! And yet another year it is spared. This is how God would have us regard Him, that He is merciful, and that natural disasters do NOT mean those suffering from them are any worse sinners than those spared. Remember: " ... he maketh his sun to rise on the evil and on the good, and sendeth rain on the just and on the unjust." (Matthew 5:45). And where is THIS verse found? RIGHT AFTER THE ONE TELLING US HOW TO DEAL WITH PERSECUTION. The context: 43 Ye have heard that it hath been said, Thou shalt love thy neighbour, and hate thine enemy. 44 But I say unto you, Love your enemies, bless them that curse you, do good to them that hate you, and pray for them which despitefully use you, and persecute you; 45 That ye may be the children of your Father which is in heaven: for he maketh his sun to rise on the evil and on the good, and sendeth rain on the just and on the unjust. 46 For if ye love them which love you, what reward have ye? do not even the publicans the same? 47 And if ye salute your brethren only, what do ye more than others? do not even the publicans so? 48 Be ye therefore perfect, even as your Father which is in heaven is perfect. Now, I think H. Blackaby has written some neat things but he is off the mark on this one about the tsunami. Let's not be deceived ... we need to be in the Word on stuff like this. Quote "After such knowledge, what forgiveness?" -- T.S. Eliot
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