Has the Rapture already happened?

[WayneV]

Read the whole page...

Bravus,

I could read the whole Bible in the time it would take me to ferry through that river of confusion. So, I think that's what I'll do.

[GreatLakesGramma]

I'm with Wayne on this one. I have better things to do with my time than read all of that. Even only skimming through it, the scroll bar at the right had barely moved by the time I had given it all the time I was willing to waste on it.

[Bravus]

Good and fair call, both (all) of you.

[Planey]

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Has the Rapture already happened?

It just seems to me that all of you who have been left behind are just in a state of denial...

[Gregory Matthews]

Read the whole page, and then inwardly reflect on how much of this stuff you also subscribe to, and where it can lead. (I assign this homework to myself as well.)

You have got to be kidding. REad through all of that? Not me.

Note the follwoign that they said at one point:

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Those two prophetic warnings have never come to pass, so we now know with certainty that they were FALSE warnings that were not from the Holy Spirit. You know have all the rights to label us as FALSE prophets and we fully accept the label and the responsibility of our actions.

To everyone that we have hurt or misled, we are sorry. Please forgive us, for that was not our intention. We were TOTALLY convinced that we were hearing from the Holy Spirit. But we were WRONG.

Of course they take it bac, expalin their error and go on again.

Frankly, I doubt that anyone here wouldactually read every word.

[Lutz13]

teresaq: my point was more that we need to be aware of the dangers of conspiracy theories, date setting and linking particular current events to prophecy in order to allow date setting. If you read down the page a bit you will see the anguished apologies of people who set dates and then watched them uneventfully go by. SDAs should be immune to this stuff, given our history, but we sometimes seem not to be. God wasn't messing about when he said no-one knows when... better to just live each day as though the end were today.

While it is true that we should live each day like it was our last. We are also told to despise not prophecy. There is a reason it is there. Revelation is a book that is supposed to be read and not put away because we shouldn't know what is coming our way. It is all about being prepared.

When I saw this post, I was going to try and ignore it. It feels as if you posted it to stab at some of our beliefs. There may be a lot of things on that page we subscribe to, yet the truth is often mixed with error. Satan loves doing that.

Also I'm not sure of any date setting that is being done by other SDA's...?

[wayfinder]

Jesus did not say that no one knows when..., He said but of that day and hour no one makes known... but the Father only, big difference. When you understand the process of a Hebrew/Israelite wedding then this makes perfect sense. The only one who had the priveledge/right to set the date for the wedding was the father of the bridegroom. The father would tell his son when he could have the marriage feast and the son would go for his bride. Everything that Jesus said about His leaving and preparation and return was in the context of this marriage process.

Revelation 1:1 The Revelation of Jesus Christ, which God gave Him to show to His bond-servants, the things which must soon take place; and He sent and communicated it by His angel to His bond-servant John,

Revelation 19:7

"Let us rejoice and be glad and give the glory to Him, for the marriage of the Lamb has come and His bride has made herself ready."

The Revelation is all about the marriage of the Lamb

[phkrause]

This is what the verse says:

"But of that day and hour no one knows, not even the angels of heaven, nor the Son, but the Father alone. NASB

But of that day and hour knoweth no man, no, not the angels of heaven, but my Father only. KJV

But of that day and hour knoweth no one, not even the angels of heaven, neither the Son, but the Father only. ASV

“However, no one knows the day or hour when these things will happen, not even the angels in heaven or the Son himself.[k] Only the Father knows. NLT

in no versions that I can see does it say "no one makes known"

[Woody]

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in no versions that I can see does it say "no one makes known"

Yes. But after Ellen White was told the day and the hour ... she was careful to not make it known.

[phkrause]

I was not aware of that Redwood. And like you say she has not let it be known.

pk

[Bravus]

Not trying to 'stab at' any SDA beliefs, Lutz... just reminding people that SDAs can tend to get caught up in controversial conspiracy theories and date-setting. As you note, truth is often mixed with error, and while the corporate SDA church has good mechanisms for sorting out which is which, individual members are, IMO, often taken in.

People seem to misinterpret: my concerns in everything I post here are twofold:

1. To make for a good, interesting, enjoyable dicusssion - this is a discussion forum (not a steel cage for fights), and I post to prompt discussion

2. To support and protect the SDA church - including sometimes from itself. Despite claims, I am not an evolutionist: if people would be willing to acknowledge my critiques of *bad* creationist science, they could get on with doing some *good* creationist science. And so on. Believe it or not, I'm a friend to the denomination.

[GreatLakesGramma]

Also I'm not sure of any date setting that is being done by other SDA's...?

I do know of some Adventists who have set dates - all of which have come and gone.

[SivartM]

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in no versions that I can see does it say "no one makes known"

Yes. But after Ellen White was told the day and the hour ... she was careful to not make it known.

Yeah, it's hard to blab about something you can't remember. :D

[wayfinder]

pk, The word has many meanings and can be translated as to know or perceive or to show (make known).

Strong's Number: 1492 Eido

Definition

1.to see

a.to perceive with the eyes

b.to perceive by any of the senses

c.to perceive, notice, discern, discover

d.to see

1.i.e. to turn the eyes, the mind, the attention to anything

2.to pay attention, observe

3.to see about something 1d

2.i.e. to ascertain what must be done about it

1.to inspect, examine

2.to look at, behold

3.to experience any state or condition

1.to see i.e. have an interview with, to visit

4.to know

a.to know of anything

b.to know, i.e. get knowledge of, understand, perceive

1.of any fact

2.the force and meaning of something which has definite meaning

3.to know how, to be skilled in

c.to have regard for one, cherish, pay attention to (1Th. 5:

The point Jesus is making is that neither He, nor the angels no man knows the day and hour, but the Father only. It stands to reason that the Father would not keep this a secret forever, because the Bridegroom will come and He cannot come until the day and hour is revealed/made known by His Father, this is how the process of the marriage worked.

[phkrause]

My sister-in-law worked for an evangelist/pastor in the Ft. Worth/Dallas area a number of years ago. Who had meetings on when the Lord was going to come. He didn't exactly set a date, but gave a ballpark date. I think lots do that. They wont set an exact date but say, well I think between 02 and 04. There's a Brazlian pastor in the area who came up with a theory based on the sabbatical years. Based on the Jewish calendar and that the earth is about 6,000 years old, he figures that when the earth gets to be 6,000 years old Jesus will come and than we will spend the sabbatical year in heaven, which would be 1000 years. The only problem he says is we don't really known how far back the jews started there calendar. He thinks its off by a few hundred years. Right now the jewish calendar is in the year 5770. So now is this date setting or just trying to get an idea. I think his theory has a lot of merit, but I don't sit around and try to pin it down more than its worth.

pk

[wayfinder]

But if the "Head of the House" knows the the time of night (the coming like a thief) occurs....

[Woody]

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Yeah, it's hard to blab about something you can't remember.

I assume you are taking her words literally then?

[SivartM]

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Yeah, it's hard to blab about something you can't remember.

I assume you are taking her words literally then?

About... not remembering after her vision?

[LifeHiscost]

better to just live each day as though the end were today.

Having come into the Seventh Day Adventist Church when there were approximately 600,000 members worldwide, and you could travel 'round the world and feel right at home no matter where you might light in an Adventist congregation, no greater Truth could be voiced than what you've expressed above.

However I'm not of the opinion that North American Adventism was exactly what Jesus had in mind when He said,

"...that they all may be one, as You, Father, are in Me, and I in You; that they also may be one in Us, that the world may believe that You sent Me.

" John 17:21 NKJV

Blessings!

[LifeHiscost]

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Has the Rapture already happened?

It just seems to me that all of you who have been left behind are just in a state of denial...

I may be laughing out of the other side of my mouth later.

Naaahh!

Reminds me of what someone else said to Jesus.

"Peter said to Him, “Even if all are made to stumble, yet I will not be.” " Mark:14:29 NKJV

Blessings!

[LifeHiscost]

My sister-in-law worked for an evangelist/pastor in the Ft. Worth/Dallas area a number of years ago. Who had meetings on when the Lord was going to come. He didn't exactly set a date, but gave a ballpark date. I think lots do that. They wont set an exact date but say, well I think between 02 and 04. There's a Brazlian pastor in the area who came up with a theory based on the sabbatical years. Based on the Jewish calendar and that the earth is about 6,000 years old, he figures that when the earth gets to be 6,000 years old Jesus will come and than we will spend the sabbatical year in heaven, which would be 1000 years. The only problem he says is we don't really known how far back the jews started there calendar. He thinks its off by a few hundred years. Right now the jewish calendar is in the year 5770. So now is this date setting or just trying to get an idea. I think his theory has a lot of merit, but I don't sit around and try to pin it down more than its worth.

pk

Three books written by G. Edward Reid are "Sundays Coming", "Ready or Not", and "Even at the Door", all good books for consideration when thinking on the joy of meeting Jesus in peace.

"In Him you also who have heard the Word of Truth, the glad tidings (Gospel) of your salvation, and have believed in and adhered to and relied on Him, were stamped with the seal of the long-promised Holy Spirit.

That [spirit] is the guarantee of our inheritance [the firstfruits, the pledge and foretaste, the down payment on our heritage], in anticipation of its full redemption and our acquiring [complete] possession of it--to the praise of His glory." Ephesian 1:13,14 breckets, parenthesis theirs, LHC

Blessings!