Real Bible Study

[Gerr]

I would like to see a new thread/section where REAL meaningful Bible study can take place, where there is no name-calling, where there is no brow-beating, where everyone's opinion is respected, where people actually try to come to some kind of consensus since God is not a God of confusion. This would be like an online Bible Conference?

[Guest]

That would be nice.

[phkrause]

I would like to see a new thread/section where REAL meaningful Bible study can take place, where there is no name-calling, where there is no brow-beating, where everyone's opinion is respected, where people actually try to come to some kind of consensus since God is not a God of confusion. This would be like an online Bible Conference?

Wouldn't that be something Gerry. That's really wishful thinking.

pk

[Stan]

I agree, I think that would have to be a forum that was fully moderated, ie, the moderator would have to approve every post.

Otherwise it falls down to meaningless babble

[Guest]

Certain people would have to be banned at the outset.

[Stan]

Gerry, any idea what that should be called?

[Guest]

Call it "Real Bible Study"

[pnattmbtc]

Or that could be abbreviated? Real B ..., um, never mind.

[Gerr]

Let's have suggestions from different members and then vote on it.

[teresaq]

I would like to see a new thread/section where REAL meaningful Bible study can take place, where there is no name-calling, where there is no brow-beating, where everyone's opinion is respected, where people actually try to come to some kind of consensus since God is not a God of confusion. This would be like an online Bible Conference?

that would be absolutely great!!

i rarely see such on these forums!

as for coming to a "consensus" i believe that would be asking a bit much, since if one believes something to be truth then it is truth for them, but a respectful, 'i cant see it that way, i have to believe....' or something along those lines would be acceptable i believe.

but anyway i would love to see that!!

i wonder if each should give a description of what that means to them to see if it means the same to all....is my picture the same as yours as to what a real bible study is?

[oldsailor29]

I would like to see a new thread/section where REAL meaningful Bible study can take place, where there is no name-calling, where there is no brow-beating, where everyone's opinion is respected, where people actually try to come to some kind of consensus since God is not a God of confusion. This would be like an online Bible Conference?

I believe this is impossible. We are all different, coming from different backgrounds and experiences. And that is the way the Holy Spirit speaks to each of us, through our own personal perspectives. From my experience I have discovered that things which are clear to me may be hidden from everybody else. And in this statement I am only referring to those who are earnestly seeking the truth. I'm sure everybody else must have a similar experience. I'm also sure that these differences in understanding are not determining factors in anyone's salvation. As long as we have faith that Jesus is God, I think our salvation is assured.

[Gerr]

A consensus of 100% would be extremely rare. But a majority consensus I don't think is impossible. As I said, God is not a God of confusion, and He has promised His Holy Spirit to guide us into truth.

[oldsailor29]

A consensus of 100% would be extremely rare. But a majority consensus I don't think is impossible. As I said, God is not a God of confusion, and He has promised His Holy Spirit to guide us into truth.

Majority consensus doesn't make it correct. It seems the incorrect majority consensus here that the Bible is inerrant, and Moses is more authoritative than God. So I think you already have a majority consensus.

[Guest]

I think you are exaggerating oldsailor. God trumps Moses.

[SivartM]

That would be great! It's sort of sad that Theological Talk is such a depressing forum. It would be nice to have a forum for real discussion.

[Kevin H]

I think we can do that; the problem is there are a few people who have an on going debate over certan issues that they tend to drag from thread to thread interupting the discussions and threads. I don't mind their arguing but I wish they would keep their arguments limited to one chat topic instead of hijacking and moving their discussion from thread after thread making us loose site of the original thread.

Another problem is that there are otherw who when someone disagrees with them instead of allowing a listen and discussion have long post after post that does not show much reading but a trying to win their views by multiplisity of words, and I think this is the consern that Old Salor has. The only person we can change is ourselves, we can give only information and allow the others to study and see if they find it useful or not. The problem is too many don't want to share information and evidence, they want to be right.

[teresaq]

very good points, kevin.

unless we each are willing to work on ourself, i dont see much chance of success.

i also agree with the "majority" point ("doesnt make it correct", skip the rest) oldsailor brings up. i think we fail to see that regardless of which side we are on we are doing the same thing we accuse the other of or something just as obnoxious.

[oldsailor29]

very good points, kevin.

unless we each are willing to work on ourself, i dont see much chance of success.

i also agree with the "majority" point ("doesnt make it correct", skip the rest) oldsailor brings up. i think we fail to see that regardless of which side we are on we are doing the same thing we accuse the other of or something just as obnoxious.

Skip the rest???? lol Maybe I did exaggerate a bit. Actually, I do not think anyone believes Moses more authoritative than Jesus, but I could be wrong.

[there buster]

Actually, constructive Bible study is quite possible, provided participants can agree on a basic method, or procedure to follow. What generally happens is that people use different methods on different passages, in order to support their views.

Put another way, they reach a conclusion first, and try and adjust the scriptures to accommodate that conclusion, rather than starting with a consistent method, and letting scripture determine its own meaning. Use of the 'conclusion first' method guarantees that there will be unresolvable disagreements.

[phkrause]

Originally Posted By: teresaq(sda)

very good points, kevin.

unless we each are willing to work on ourself, i dont see much chance of success.

i also agree with the "majority" point ("doesnt make it correct", skip the rest) oldsailor brings up. i think we fail to see that regardless of which side we are on we are doing the same thing we accuse the other of or something just as obnoxious.

Skip the rest???? lol Maybe I did exaggerate a bit. Actually, I do not think anyone believes Moses more authoritative than Jesus, but I could be wrong.

Yes the Jews believe that Moses was a prophet and Jesus was a nobody. Sorry I should say most Jews not all. Which is very sad.

pk

[teresaq]

Actually, constructive Bible study is quite possible, provided participants can agree on a basic method, or procedure to follow. What generally happens is that people use different methods on different passages, in order to support their views.

Put another way, they reach a conclusion first, and try and adjust the scriptures to accommodate that conclusion, rather than starting with a consistent method, and letting scripture determine its own meaning. Use of the 'conclusion first' method guarantees that there will be unresolvable disagreements.

you bring up a very good point.

unrelated to your point, i have to admit that i had a very different picture of "bible study" than the first try. no offense meant gerry, but it seemed rather doomed, and prejudicial, from the start. in saying that my conscience is convicted of when i have done the very same thing.

[Gerr]

I don't know if you meant to address me unless Buster's name is also Gerry.

If meaningful collective Bible study is not possible, how did our pioneers hammer out our doctrines?

[teresaq]

how does your comment relate to my point? do you believe the pioneers started off their bible studies as you did?

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unrelated to your point, i have to admit that i had a very different picture of "bible study" than the first try. no offense meant gerry, but it seemed rather doomed, and prejudicial, from the start. in saying that my conscience is convicted of when i have done the very same thing

I don't know if you meant to address me unless Buster's name is also Gerry.

If meaningful collective Bible study is not possible, how did our pioneers hammer out our doctrines?

[oldsailor29]

Originally Posted By: oldsailor29

I do not think anyone believes Moses more authoritative than Jesus, but I could be wrong.

Yes the Jews believe that Moses was a prophet and Jesus was a nobody. Sorry I should say most Jews not all. Which is very sad.

pk

Well of course they do, but this is a Christian message board. If someone is really converted, they leave the past behind and follow Jesus.

[there buster]

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If meaningful collective Bible study is not possible

But no one suggested that. Only that it was unlikely.

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how did our pioneers hammer out our doctrines?

They had an agreed approach, per my post. However, were they alive today, they would no doubt use a different set of criteria.