Should Adventists Agree With Catholics On Abortion?

[Overaged]

quote=teresaq(sda)]quote]2270 Human life must be respected and protected absolutely from the moment of conception.

does that include the serial killer sentenced to death. /quote]

Putting a murderer to death is respecting life. It is the ultimate respect for life. It is a statement to the value of life. It says, if you take the life of another person without just cause you must pay for that offense with your own life.

[Dr. Shane]

Abortion is not the same as putting murders to death. Unborn infants are innocent life and should be protected - primary by the women carrying them.

A murderer has taken life and the life the murderer has taken must be respected. In fact all innocent human life must be respected. Now on a personal note I am not in favor of capital punishment because I do not think it works as a deterrent. I favor hard-labor work camps. But getting back to the issue of protecting life, capital punishment's entire purpose is to do exactly that. God started capital punishment. It was His directive to Noah that murderers were to be put to death. If putting murders to death is not respecting life, then God doesn't respect life.

[teresaq]

Putting murders to death is protecting human life absolutely from the moment of conception. How much more can human life be protected than by putting to death those that take human life?

[Dr. Shane]

Putting heretics to death is a much better example of Catholic hypocrisy than putting murderers to death. Murderers obliviously lose their right to live when they take the life of another without justification. Killing murders is a form of protecting human life. The same cannot be said of killing heretics.

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so the pronouncement is a subjective one, that means whatever one wants it to mean instead of an objective one, applies to all.

You make a very excellent point. I am currently studying this issue with Catholics; and I can tell you a little more that would back up your statements to the subjectiveness of the Catholic position. Catholics, going by a writing by Aquinas, do say that in the case of where the doctor asked: "do you want me to save you or the baby?" that if the mother chose to be the one saved; it would come under the principle of "self defense," thereby skirting the abortion pronouncements that they try to stab Adventists with. I will provide some references a little later when I have more time.

But we also need to look at any "subjectiveness" in the Adventist position.

[teresaq]

Putting heretics to death is a much better example of Catholic hypocrisy than putting murderers to death. Murderers obliviously lose their right to live when they take the life of another without justification. Killing murders is a form of protecting human life. The same cannot be said of killing heretics.

keeping in line with the point of my posts, in other words you dont agree with the pronouncement. you impose limitations on it feeling free to decide who should be able to live and who shouldnt?

[Dr. Shane]

I agree that everyone has the right to life, liberty and the pursuit of happiness. However if and when a person takes the life of another, they surrender the right to their own life, liberty and pursuit of happiness. Killing another person is a form of suicide because in taking the life of another, without justification, they surrender their own life. This was the instruction given to Noah, "Whoso sheddeth man's blood, by man shall his blood be shed. For in the image of God made he man." (Gen. 9:6)

[teresaq]

so you dont agree with this pronouncement?

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2270 Human life must be respected and protected absolutely from the moment of conception.

[Dr. Shane]

I see no hypocrisy between that statement and Catholic support for capital punishment for murderers (if Catholics support that). It is completely consistent. I get it. I do agree that it is inconsistent with Catholic support for capitol punishment for crimes lesser than murder.

[teresaq]

youre just determined to give wordy responses instead of answering directly. lol play on... lol

[Overaged]

youre just determined to give wordy responses instead of answering directly. lol play on... lol

[Dr. Shane]

Hmmm, I wonder why Shane has a Bible with a hammer on it for his avatar?

I do missionary work in Mexico. The type of missionary work I do is construction. Thus I build so people can worship. Some missionaries are preachers. Some missionaries are doctors. Some are teachers. Others are architects, engineers, farmers and even construction workers. We use our skills for the glory of God.

[Woody]

Perhaps I am old fashioned. But, I was taught nothing was to be placed on top of the Bible. (But I won't 'hammer' the issue home.) :)

[Dr. Shane]

I was taught that those who refuse to place anything on top of the Bible are making an idol out of the printed pages. The paper the book is printed on isn't itself holy. It is the message of the book that is holy. But that teaching is certainly debatable.

My legalistic grandmother and mother taught me not to put anything on top of the Bible. When I came back into the church at age 21 I was taught that the message was the Word of God and not the actual paper and ink used to print it.

[Overaged]

Originally Posted By: Overaged

Hmmm, I wonder why Shane has a Bible with a hammer on it for his avatar?

I do missionary work in Mexico. The type of missionary work I do is construction. Thus I build so people can worship. Some missionaries are preachers. Some missionaries are doctors. Some are teachers. Others are architects, engineers, farmers and even construction workers. We use our skills for the glory of God.

Shane; all I can say is a loud PRAISE THE LORD! I think it's wonderful that you do that. Hope you caught the fact that my hammer comment was all in good fun. We can all learn from your example here. Maybe if you need a drywaller, a truck driver, or a welder for a project you can let me know!

[Overaged]

Perhaps I am old fashioned. But, I was taught nothing was to be placed on top of the Bible. (But I won't 'hammer' the issue home.)

There is only one thing that is VERY WRONG to have on top of your Bible; and that is dust! Anyone ever hear that old song: "Dust On The Bible?"

[Woody]

Well .... I've learned something. Now I know where to put my hammer.