No Gay Valentine

[Neil D]

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When you address what I wrote, I'll reply. Until then, I cannot deal with your hallucinations.

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Hey, you asked, and I answered. When YOU decide to quit baiting people, then I might concider answering you. Until then, I suggest that you put me on your "ignore list".

Oh, and one other thing....

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Arrogance is the ultimate learning disability.

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This comes from a person who claims to be a great writer, well versed in literature...I suggest you read it...

[Bravus]

Shane: it's 'extreme', Neil: it's 'extreme' <img src="/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/wink.gif" alt="" />

Look I know you guys don't agree on very much, but each creating your own different mis-spelling of the same word is just taking it a little too far! <img src="/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/wink.gif" alt="" />

[there buster]

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Hey, you asked, and I answered.

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Actually, that's the point. You didn't answer anything I wrote at all. You replied to something your imagination cooked up. Since you're supplying both sides of the "discussion," no one else is necessary.

As a final example, I've not claimed to be a great writer. When asked what I do, I answered. I write. I leave the evaluation to editors and readers.

[Neil D]

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ook I know you guys don't agree on very much, but each creating your own different mis-spelling of the same word is just taking it a little too far!

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Hey, it's phonetically correct!

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Yeah, I hear you...

We are so far on the opposite side of the polictical spectrum that we act the same way...Always trying to one up the other.

Well, I for one am tired of the same hate dialogue. If God is able to give life to different relationships, then God is truely a merciful God. But how can we foster those relationships when our own members post things that are hurtful . To put down others [ie racial, cultural groups] is a form of spiritual abuse. It happens on the collective as well as on an individual level.

Perhaps I am being too extreme in holding others to account for thier abusive wording/writing. I would hope that by confronting this, it would bring those same abusive people to realise that thier words hurt.

Trouble is, these same abusive people are doing it in the name of religion....MY RELIGION!!!!....And they don't even realize what they are doing. Unfortunately, that is very irksome to me...Because my God has a relationship with mankind in which mercy and justice have kissed each other. Unfortunately, I see far too much justice metted out....

[there buster]

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Perhaps I am being too extreme in holding others to account for thier abusive wording/writing.

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In your zeal you have become abusive. You see hate where none could otherwise be detected. You have ceased to reason and simply denounce. In the end, you turn opponents into enemies, and alienate those who might otherwise agree with you.

Hope springs eternal.

[Dr. Shane]

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There is a 3rd option, which I subscribe to....That is, you have moved the extreems such that you are in the middle.

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Every test I ever have taken places me near the middle. Remember this thread?

Political Compass

[Neil D]

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In the end, you turn opponents into enemies, and alienate those who might otherwise agree with you.

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How does one communicate with someone who refuses to take responsiblity for his writing? IOWs, what you have attempted to communicate has not been recieved on this end. Are you so sure that your communication has been that straight forward?

I have quoted from you what I was responding to...What I saw was an ego the size of texas....Pray tell, are you able to communicate with me to change my mind...being the professional writer and all?

[Neil D]

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There is a 3rd option, which I subscribe to....That is, you have moved the extreems such that you are in the middle.

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Every test I ever have taken places me near the middle. Remember this thread?

Political Compass

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And perhaps you will remember what I wrote in the thread....

[:"blue"] took this test a couple of times....

I first came out 2, -2

Then came out -4, -2

I then reconcidered all the previous answers 0, 5

And, by redefining many words, and my point of view, I recieved differing placements. Which just goes to show, it don't mean a thing....that is, IMHO!

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It can be manipulated, Shane....Do I believe that you are in the "middle of the road"? Well, not when you insist on using words that the neo-conservative likes to use to inflame the conversation....I have always said that if you walk like a duck, quack like a duck, swim like a duck, then you gotta be a duck... Your behavior is more telling of your political position than your profession...

[Dr. Shane]

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I have always said that if you walk like a duck, quack like a duck, swim like a duck, then you gotta be a duck...

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But you also claim to be a sinner - not perfect - subject to error. Right? Maybe you should examine some of those things you have always said.

Try to meditate on this one for a few days. "You can't judge a book by its cover."

[Neil D]

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Try to meditate on this one for a few days. "You can't judge a book by its cover."

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You are correct...you judge a book by the content. Or it's fruits...

nuff said....

[there buster]

Claude Shannon wrote a paper in 1947 which may be one of the most important documents of the 20th century. It was about information theory.

Shannon's definition of information is "that which reduces uncertainty." Among the many significant implications of his theory, here is just one. If uncertainty is total, or totally absent, communication is impossible.

If uncertainty is total, then there is no language or syntax with which to communicate, making communication impossible. If there is no uncertainty, then it cannot be reduced, since that is the function of information. That also makes communication impossible.

Perhaps that explains the difficulty. I'm perfectly happy to take responsibility for my words. I do it all the time. No matter how much I would like to, I cannot control what happens at the other end. Language is ambiguous by nature. Words have a range of meanings, but that range is not infinite. For an infinite range of meaning is the same as no meaning at all.

I did not do any "gay bashing." You claim to see it, but I have no idea where.

I have not said that you were stupid, or egotistical, or attacked you personally in any way. You have characterized me.

This is an attempt to begin communication. As far as changing your mind, that is not for me to do. It's not a task I take on. All I can do is attempt to communicate facts,ideas, logic, and illustrations. You must do with them what you will.

[Neil D]

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Shannon's definition of information is "that which reduces uncertainty." Among the many significant implications of his theory, here is just one. If uncertainty is total, or totally absent, communication is impossible.

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It occurs to me, that if I am totally uncertain about the commuication, that clarification is in order. Of course, it that is the case, then communication is still progressing.....and still possible.

Perhaps that is not what your illustration was attempting to point out. If this is the case, then this illustration needs clarification...

Ok, so Claude Shannon had his head in the clouds and only PARTIALLY explained the communication between 2 [or more] people.

From my communications 101 class, what the message that is sent by the sender is not NECESSARILY what is recieved by the reciever, due in part by the emotional baggage and wording of the sender and due also in part by the reciever and his emotional baggages that is evoked by the sender's choice of wording...

I think it safe to say that while we may approach this subject from totally different processes, we are on the same page here....I hope.

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I did not do any "gay bashing." You claim to see it, but I have no idea where.

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While I don't remember that you said anything about gay bashing, I do recall you defending, or at least appear to be defending gay bashing principles... Which gives the appearance of supporting various hate theology that resides within the SDA church. Perhaps I am mistaken in this area....but if I am not, then you definately need a swift kick in the butt in the hopes of grabbing your attention to grow up. But I digress..

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I have not said that you were stupid, or egotistical, or attacked you personally in any way. You have characterized me.

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What I have characterized , I have quoted and sent back to you...It came accross as very egotistical. And yes, perhaps you have noticed...I don't mince words..., especially when I see stupid stuff being put up as rational thought. I make NO APPOLOGIES for jumping on posts that are hypocritcally unloving, coaxed in religious fair to sound plausable and palatable all while decimating the loving within our church. We need better shepards to club the wolves that are within our flock. If you got clubbed, then perhaps I saw wolf in sheep clothing. We need more people to stand up to these dysfunctional people, and to stand up to the dysfunctional SDA myths that promote dysfunctional behaviors. So please, you will HAVE to forgive me if I come down a bit hard for something that I see as unloving and unforgiving and/or uncharitable, as in Shane's stubborn stance for the death of a woman who aborts her child. I have had a few experiences of my own, of which a few have graced this board from time to time, to which no good has come out of the situation due mostly to SDA myths. So, if I seem a bit harsh or even abusive, perhaps it reflects in my experience in dealing with people who cling to non-biblical truth/SDA myth who have totally devestated lives of honest church going memebers.

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This is an attempt to begin communication. As far as changing your mind, that is not for me to do. It's not a task I take on.

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And why not? If what you say is reasonable, what is to prevent me from changing my mind about you?