What's at the Heart of the Hatred?

[abelisle]

"James Leach, with the National Endowment for the Humanities, said that while many of the acts may be protected under First Amendment rights, "that doesn't mean that they're morally justified."

"And we have to think of ourselves as, 'what kind of people are we?' " Leach said. "Are we one people working together with rival thoughts, or are we enemies within? And I think there's something that's been let loose in American politics that has to be thought about."

I fear there's something sinister lurking behind and underneath the very palpable anger over health reform. It borders on the Satanic. It may even be the beginning of worse things to come. When people are willing to kill others over what they disagree about, this hatred takes on sociopathic proportions.

This is way bigger than politics, socialism, racism or what many perceive as excessive governmental involvement in personal freedoms. This for me is a taste, just a little taste of what it will be like when the angels let loose the winds of strife.

And here we are, fellow Christians mirroring some of these same feelings in this forum. Shame on us! and myself in this process if what I write here foments what I have just been critical of. Lord, forgive me.

Alex (something is amiss, something is rotten in the state of this country)

[phkrause]

Yes Alex just like rome fell from within, I believe the US will do the same.

pk

[olger]

I hate that sort of thing.

oops

[jasd]

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Quote:James Leach

”...while many of the acts may be protected under First Amendment rights,...”

What “many of the acts” does James Leach speak?

Quote:

Quote:James Leach

"...or are we enemies within? And I think there's something that's been let loose in American politics that has to be thought about."

From virtually the very beginnings of our nation it has been “enemies within”, --a la Abe Lincoln’s assessment..., amongst whom, it is us, all of us – who prefer to remain ignorant of our history.

"1790: Mayor Amschel Rothschild:" Let me issue and control a nation's money and I care not who writes the laws." " [ed.jasd]

"1791: The Rothschilds get, "control of a nation's money," through Alexander Hamilton, (their agent in George Washington's cabinet) when they set up a central bank in the USA called the First Bank of the United States. This is [was] established with a twenty-year charter.

1811: The Charter for the Rothschilds Bank of the United States runs out and Congress votes against its renewal. Nathan Mayer Rothschild is not amused and states, "Either the application for the renewal of the Charter is granted, or the United States will find itself involved in a most disastrous war." " [ed.jasd]

>>I fear there's something sinister lurking behind and underneath the very palpable anger over health reform.<<

Palpable anger is good when accompanied with a scourge.

>>It borders on the Satanic.<<

You’re conflating the majority party with Satan; well, it is possible I do err...

>>It may even be the beginning of worse things to come.<<

Guaranteeeed!—a veritable harbinger.

>>When people are willing to kill others over what they disagree about, this hatred takes on sociopathic proportions.<<

I question the source(s) you may appeal to – should the above be referencing incendiary rhetoric disseminated today under colour of what may really be false flags; otherwise, yes, sociopathy may present...

>>This is way bigger than politics, socialism, racism or what many perceive as excessive governmental involvement in personal freedoms. This for me is a taste, just a little taste of what it will be like when the angels let loose the winds of strife.<<

Indeed, the angels already tire.

>>And here we are, fellow Christians mirroring some of these same feelings in this forum.<<

Please provide examples of “these same feelings” manifesting here – that ought not.

>>(something is amiss, something is rotten in the state of this country)<<

Oh, but, Indeed!—very. Shame on us!

[abelisle]

jasd,

You are indeed a wordsmith nonpareil!

Alex

[Dottie]

Yes, I also think that what we are seeing now is a portend(?) of things to come.

But, I do believe that people have fear, don't know how to overcome it, and turn to acts to express that fear.

[Gail]

Fear, I suspect, might trigger other hate types of behaviour such as bigotry, also.

[there buster]

The Left has been employing violence as a political tool for more than 50 years in this country.

"Burn, baby, burn."

"No justice, no peace."

civil rights riots in the 1960's.

Even the Unabomber, we were told to "understand their grievances."

When Republicans wanted to curtail wasteful social spending, Charley Rangel compared them to Nazis.

For decades, the violence of the left has been considered legitimate political expression, and political differences on the right have been demonized: Al Gore likening opponents to "brownshirts" and "the American Taliban."

When you spend decades equating your own violence with legitimate political expression, and equating your opponent's political expression as violence (Jim Wright: "President Reagan declared war on old folks), it is hardly surprising that confusion results.

The Bible is clear: you reap what you sow.

With "health care reform," they rode roughshod over the public will, at the same time telling people they were too stupid to understand its benefits, or (as around here) too selfish to support it. The question now is whether the anger they have stoked for generations and stirred with this action will find sufficient expression at the polls. I pray that it is so.

I want neither violence nor slavery for my children and grandchildren. I am grieved that such may be the choice.

[phkrause]

The Left has been employing violence as a political tool for more than 50 years in this country.

"Burn, baby, burn."

"No justice, no peace."

civil rights riots in the 1960's.

Even the Unabomber, we were told to "understand their grievances."

When Republicans wanted to curtail wasteful social spending, Charley Rangel compared them to Nazis.

For decades, the violence of the left has been considered legitimate political expression, and political differences on the right have been demonized: Al Gore likening opponents to "brownshirts" and "the American Taliban."

When you spend decades equating your own violence with legitimate political expression, and equating your opponent's political expression as violence (Jim Wright: "President Reagan declared war on old folks), it is hardly surprising that confusion results.

The Bible is clear: you reap what you sow.

With "health care reform," they rode roughshod over the public will, at the same time telling people they were too stupid to understand its benefits, or (as around here) too selfish to support it. The question now is whether the anger they have stoked for generations and stirred with this action will find sufficient expression at the polls. I pray that it is so.

I want neither violence nor slavery for my children and grandchildren. I am grieved that such may be the choice.

Its amazing that the left always gets blamed by the right. But I've seen the exact opposite. How about the hatred of the right while Clinton was president? And we can go back many years and see that both sides are to blame not just "the left". Look at what the stupid people are doing to the people that backed the HC reform? Are they not breaking doors and windows of the office's of those on the left??????? This is why I don't waste my time being in love with politians of either side and don't waste my time being for one side or the other, both are not for us the people of the US.

pk

pk

[there buster]

How about the hatred of the right while Clinton was president? And we can go back many years and see that both sides are to blame not just "the left"./quote]

Sorry, history demonstrates the opposite. No one on the right produced a movie or a book depicting the assassination of Clinton--as the left did of George W. Bush. And the comment from Jim Wright was from 1981. I'll be glad to go back as far as you want to. Of course, there are extremists on all sides of an issue. But conservatives do not excuse or endorse violence as political speech. The left does, whether it's intifada in Israel, union violence in the U.S., or riots in cities.

You will not find the right advocating riots or violence, and claiming they were political speech--all the way back to 1965.

And, I guess you missed the beginning of the thread. The only broken window is that of Eric Cantor, who opposed 'heath care.'

If you actually consult history, you will find a consistent pattern of the left excusing and advocating violence as political action. Even going back a year to the union thugs bussed in to intimidate insurance company executives.

And since we're at it, union strikes are the only commonly accepted violence in the U.S. Beatings, slashing of tires, attacks on people's homes--we accept and the left excuses these as political frustration.

No, the argument that "both sides are guilty and I'm above it all" is just a cop out, and historically inaccurate. An excuse for inaction.

[lazarus]

And, I guess you missed the beginning of the thread. The only broken window is that of Eric Cantor, who opposed 'heath care.'

lol, Check the police report.

[Overaged]

"James Leach, with the National Endowment for the Humanities, said that while many of the acts may be protected under First Amendment rights, "that doesn't mean that they're morally justified."

I fear there's something sinister lurking behind and underneath the very palpable anger over health reform. It borders on the Satanic. It may even be the beginning of worse things to come. When people are willing to kill others over what they disagree about, this hatred takes on sociopathic proportions.

May I ask a stupid question or two please? What on earth has happened with the US Health-Care Scene? Being from canada; I don't know a lot about it, although in my physio session today I was talking to some of the other patients there, and they have family in the US. The only thing I could figure is that someone with children, who was mad at some disadvantage that the current or Obama proposed system poses for he and his family actually threatened to kill the children of some politician who was supporting this health care bill. Also, some people here are referring to Obama as "NO-Bama." So by these kinds of things; I presume that Obama and his close supporters have done something that a lot of people see as wrong; can anyone explain what is going on?

And, in reference to the OP; what acts are you referring to as "protected by First Amendment Rights," yet not really "morally justified?" I would be interested to hear specifics on what is going on here. (what was this James Leach actually talking about when he made the above quoted remarks?

[phkrause]

Originally Posted By: there buster

And, I guess you missed the beginning of the thread. The only broken window is that of Eric Cantor, who opposed 'heath care.'

lol, Check the police report.

Exactly!

pk

[Tallmark]

I wanted to post a video with a conversation with Willie Nelson and former Gov. Jesse Ventura, but couldn't find it. Jesse said that politics is just like professional wrestling. They put on a show, and they know who's going to win. There is no difference between any of the parties. Spoken by a former pro wrestler and former politician.

[there buster]

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lol, Check the police report.

At least there is a broken window, unlike the reported insults to Pelosi and Lewis, which the videotape demonstrates were lies.

[bonnie]

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lol, Check the police report.

At least there is a broken window, unlike the reported insults to Pelosi and Lewis, which the videotape demonstrates were lies.

Whoever makes these kinds of threats is an idiot and makes any situation they are against worse.

However,where were the hand wringers when it came to the AIG employee's and acorn busing in demonstrators?

Personally,I don't think there are as many threats as reported.It sounds like good cover now for the dems.

Was it right wing "haters' that threatened Stupak before he let it be known he was voting for the bill.Seems that was left wing pro-choice nut cases. Where was the outrage over that?

[bonnie]

It is hard to believe the tea party members are playing a role in any threats against the dems.

I am sure the nutcases are having fun.

Even thiose reporting on tea parties,many from the left reporters remarked on how well mannered and peaceful the tea parties were. There was not even any clean up to do. They left the area as neat and clean as they found it.

Look back at demonstrations of the left.We had a doozy when Sarah Palin was here for the convention.

Even arrests for the peaceful law abiding left loonies

[bonnie]

InstaPundit.com

Gutfeld: Media Only Like Protests If They Agree With Protesters

By Noel Sheppard

Sat, 03/27/2010 - 12:22 ET

"Red Eye" host Greg Gutfeld on Saturday said the media's response to the nation's anger over healthcare reform was totally predictable.

"I've been down this road so many times I could navigate it blindfolded and covered in peanut butter," Gutfeld marvelously wrote at his blog.

"It goes like this: for the media, anger is only okay if its targets meet their stereotypical, romanticized criteria. Meaning: the corporation, the conservative, the daddy who never loved them."

Gutfeld then marvelously offered "a list of people doing angry things the media is okay with" (h/t Glenn Reynolds):

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-People calling Bush a Nazi

-Students and non students rioting on college campuses

-Animal rights freaks dousing rich folks with paint

-Actors wishing average folks would get rectal cancer

-Bureaucrats labeling military vets as potential violent right wing extremists

-Radical environmentalists advocating violence against loggers

-Pranksters throwing pies at conservative commentators (you know, somehow they never pie Michael Moore, which makes him sad; he likes pie)

But this health care bill anger is different from all that - not just because it's right, but because it involves Obama. And being angry at Obama is like being mad at Santa Claus. How can you be mad at Santa, when he brings us so many gifts?

And so, this anger is scary! It's a mark of incivility! It's deadly!

Interesting, isn't it?

After all, the media typically love protests and acts of civil disobedience.

Yet, we've learned since Obama was elected that most members of the press only like such acts when they demonstrate antipathy for what they themselves dislike.

As such, protests are only good when the media agree with the protesters.

Sadly, this is what makes most of them advocates and NOT journalists.

[phkrause]

I wanted to post a video with a conversation with Willie Nelson and former Gov. Jesse Ventura, but couldn't find it. Jesse said that politics is just like professional wrestling. They put on a show, and they know who's going to win. There is no difference between any of the parties. Spoken by a former pro wrestler and former politician.

Tallmark, I heard Jesse on FoxNews once and when he started saying how behind the scenes both parties were no different they couldn't get him off of there show fast enough. Not sure what they thought he was going to say. I guess they figured that him being an independent he would side with the republicans. I don't understand that thinking that independents are the same as republicans or democrats. Anyway Jesse has always been against politics, that's why I couldn't believe he was running for governor. From what he said he thought that he could make a change in how people see politians and he quit because of all the garbage that he saw from what politics is really like. That's why when I hear him say that behind close doors there is no difference in either party, I have no problem buying this. And he's not the only one that I've heard this from or has said this before.

pk

[bonnie]

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once and when he started saying how behind the scenes both parties were no different they couldn't get him off of there show fast enough. Not sure what they thought he was going to say. I guess they figured that him being an independent he would side with the republicans. I don't understand that thinking that independents are the same as republicans or democrats. Anyway Jesse has always been against politics, that's why I couldn't believe he was running for governor. From what he said he thought that he could make a change in how people see politians and he quit because of all the garbage that he saw from what politics is really like. That's why when I hear him say that behind close doors there is no difference in either party, I have no problem buying this. And he's not the only one that I've heard this from or has said this before.

pk

Jessie had some good ideas. Jessie also acted like a spoiled child and would stamp his feet,grab his toys and go home.

He quite politics because his own conduct guaranteed he would lose running again.

No,actually then like now they wanted someone that would side

against the status quo. Make the changes he promised

[Dr. Shane]

I think the conservative opposition to this legislation has been model behavior. If all opposition was so peaceful much less blood would have been split throughout history. I do think Nancy Pelosi was being too provocative carrying Goliath's gavel through the crowd of opposition. It was almost as if she wanted to see blood shed over this. Of course, had there been bloodshed, it would have been a more noteworthy event in history books. I think Nancy Pelosi is a bit sad that the conservatives have been so peaceful.

[phkrause]

Bonnie even though I hate politics, I feel sorry for them because most of the time they promise people the world but really can't deliver. Because its not up to them alone. They have to have the backing of others.

pk

[lazarus]

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lol, Check the police report.

At least there is a broken window,

What did the police say was the cause of the broken window?

[bonnie]

Bonnie even though I hate politics, I feel sorry for them because most of the time they promise people the world but really can't deliver. Because its not up to them alone. They have to have the backing of others.

pk

Most people understand it is not up to one politician ,they can also understand a complete reversal from what they promised to work for when they see it.

I am sure there were people that actually thought Stupak would stick to his word.Many of us did not.

The others that were oh so firm in opposition till the money started flowing.

People have a tendency to gravitate toward handouts or a cheaper ride,regardless what it means to others.

No one that understands fifth grade math would believe the way out of this mess is Obama's way.

Just explain to me how you can correct the overdraft in your checking account by writing bigger and bigger checks. Yet there are actually those that feel encouraged when Obama says it is getting better.

In his view it probably is as it is working closer and closer to the vision many of us think he has for this country

[bonnie]

Originally Posted By: there buster

And, I guess you missed the beginning of the thread. The only broken window is that of Eric Cantor, who opposed 'heath care.'

lol, Check the police report.

Federal authorities have arrested a Philadelphia man and charged him with threatening to kill House Minority Whip Eric Cantor (R-Va.) and his family.

Federal authorities have arrested a Philadelphia man and charged him with threatening to kill House Minority Whip Eric Cantor (R-Va.) and his family. AP

Federal authorities have arrested a Philadelphia man and charged him with threatening to kill House Minority Whip Eric Cantor (R-Va.) and his family.

Norman Leboon will be charged with two federal counts: threatening to kill Cantor and posting video online containing such threats. He is scheduled to appear in Philadelphia court on Monday afternoon.

The arrest is the most serious in a string of threats of violence against lawmakers in wake of the divisive health care vote. At least 10 Democrats along with a handful of Republicans, including Cantor, reported threats of violence over the past week.

In a video posted on YouTube, Leboon said Cantor was a "liar, you're a Lucifer, you're a pig, a greedy [explitive] pig." He referred to a bullet found in Cantor’s office last week and said it will be placed in his head.

Leboon faces up to 15 years in prison if convicted of both charges.