Onward and Upward

[Christopher]

Original thought hmmmm sounds like a good way to get people to do the berean thing

First thought...Jesus is a man,he is called the second adam, so there can be a second/first eve,maybe man made in gods likeness is true,so that would make that part were God made us in his image and likeness probably not a lie then :)you think?

Second thought....She would have to be God also but created from God?

how many fuses did that blow? That would make four Gods who are one

Christopher

[Bravus]

To my way of thinking God, being infinite, contains all possibilities of gender. God is referred to in the Bible as like a hen gathering her chicks, for example. God contains both sexes (and who knows, maybe many alien alternative sexes too!) within one Person... Jesus was born male as a human being. The Spirit seems more ungendered, but that last is more of a guess...

[Christopher]

One idea going with Jesus being The man, that at least after al this sin problem is done with it wil be possible for him to have kids who will be God also?

Can you imagine being the babysitter for them? Hmmmmm lol

And God is so much more Good and Loving than anything we can imagine...Wow How people can't Love God or think he is in any way not Loving is beyond me

Would that make us aunts and uncles to God? or cousins? along with the rest of intelligent Creation :)

[Christopher]

Bravus, cool thinking

For me God is gender specificied in the bible, at least two of those genders, male and female. Holy Spirit being specified as male in the New Testament at least

As to others i would agree tis possible but haven't seen any evidence for it yet :)and Jesus is stuck being human i think :)

[Bravus]

I wonder whether the apparent maleness of the Spirit is just non-gender-inclusive language, though... go back to books as recent as the 1970s and anyone for whom gender is not specified is always described as 'he'. It gets really grammatically awkward to avoid using a gender pronoun at all (I know, I try to do it for God for exactly the reasons described above), and in times when the default gendered pronoun for everyone was 'he'... it's hard to draw firm conclusions about the Spirit's sex on that basis alone.

[Christopher]

Can see your point and its a good one.

I take my belief from what i believe "spirirt" means which is breath ans so the person would come from the Father and thus would be a male person, and from what i understand Jesus said he was male and was referred to as male by the apostles also.I don't think Jesus made a mistake on that because He is very gender inclusive, which is what i got from reading His words and about His actions.

Still could there be a Female Holy Spirit also? possible think would have to establish God The mother/sister/female as an individual person first. That at least I believe can be established from scriptures in Genesis 1 and a few other places,just using an english version of scriptures.

working on learning Hebrew to see how deep that goes in the OT :)

[Stan]

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Does God have some kind of sex organ? or the Holy Spirit?

How can they be male or female?

Our human minds can not grasp so much of God.

[Christopher]

Is Jesus, a man and The Man? or did He get neutered when he went to Heaven? Isn't Jesus God also?

Hey Jesus you answered all the questions about God got tortured then killed on the Cross, welcome back to heaven, now its time to neuter you? That makes no sense to me.

So God the Creator lied when men and women were made in God's image?

Since Jesus is a Man (and the Creator) and so are we isn't it logical to think He has sex organs?

Holy Spirit, having a sex organ,probably not, being as the wind :)but who knows.

:)

[abelisle]

I see "image" referring more to attributes of character rather than physiological ones. Remember the Moses - God confrontation on Mt. Sinai? God says to Moses that no man can see Him and live, so Moses gets to view His Back/shoulders (I'm not sure about this part) and Moses uses adjectives that refer to God's character not His physical attributes.

Alex (I realize that this is a feeble attempt to be original with this concept. I also think angels have sex organs, but what do I know?)

[Christopher]

lol so how doe we not qoute a passage we are talking about in an original way...LOL this is fun

and that way of looking at image i do believe is a valid way of looking at certain words :)and very meaningful.

but that is not what certain words mean in a certain set of words which are put in a statement form,so as to be talking to a certain person before making a certain act

If anybody else's name were put in a certain set of words like that,people would logically think that person was talking to a woman,wouldn't they?

The whole thing could be about character and physical images also:)

not just one or the other

Hope that makes sense to all :)lol

Yep true about Moses and God,God turned it around on moses and made it more about character than physical looks still moses did see Gods back and butt :)

[Tom Wetmore]

Regarding the female attributes of God here is an interesting essay by a female Rabbi regarding the feminine root meaning of one name for God in Scripture - El Shaddai.

http://rabbijillhausman.blogspot.com/2008/01/el-shaddai-and-feminine.html

[Gail]

Yes, it IS fun- and I'm glad to see you here! :)

[Christopher]

Thanks Gail and really glad to be here also

Yep thats an interesting article,been reading articles like that for years,especially in kabbalistic stuff. didn't go very deep into it,still it was helpful in some ways.

For me i tend to put behind me the stuff that tries to spiritulize away the person and persons of God, especially the physical parts. True God speaks to us were we are and in language we can understand but i never got the idea that God was lying about Themselves.

With Holy Spirit, Well the name says Spirit,so obviously a spirit but we don't know for sure if spirits have any kind of sexual anything or not. They are in a dimension we can't see into and what we do get to see is usually full of lies from the adversary. As to Holy Spirit that we know of from God The Creator, That person as far as we know is Male or called that from Jesus and from the prophets and apostles. So from that eveidence, I can go with that and stick to Him as Him. Is there a feminine Holy Spirit? Sperate from the male? I can go with that till provin otherwise or not.

The Reason i go with the physical attributes of God being male and female is simple, Jesus who is God is a Physical man and always will be.I Doubt very highly that anyone is going to convince me otherwise,possible i guess but so very highly unlikely.

And just from that fact alone,What i have postulated is possible even just as suppostion without quoting scriptures to back it up...lol

Like Since Jesus is like us men from head to toe then it is possible for God to do to Him like He did to Adam and could do with us also,make a woman from our sides(and vice versa of course i think,depends on how God did it in the first place i guess, still possible)

So if God did that to Jesus then Jesus could have babies and Tom and Stan and Gail and Christopher and whomever could possibly end up being baysitters to baby God as could the other beings of all creation.

That idea just so blows my mind and puts me in so awe of God and the plan of salvation thru Jesus and how They are going to savee/heal us so completely that we could possibly do that,Have to have a lot of trust in God for that because,I don't know abut anybody else but i'm sure not good enough at this time to babysit baby or babies God

Which brings up another thought :)original? can God so save say

Manasseh, one of the worst kings of old Israel who sawed a prohet in half and may other terrible things,enough that Jesus can trust him to look out for His Kid?

[Gail]

Actually, Manasseh did come around toward the end of his life.

Unfortunately, it was too late to save Judah from condemnation from God. His son Amon followed his evil example and although Amon's son Josiah was a good king, the Lord only extended peace until Josiah's death. Then Nebuchadnezzar and the Babylonians came and exiled Judah.

[Christopher]

Yep thankfully he did,glad you put that up :)I probably would have used quotes

[Christopher]

Oh and some might say that I'm trying to bring God down to our level,or bring us up to Gods level. Not True

All I"m trying to Do is show that God gave us the privilege of being like them,They made us Perfectly like them in the beginning in all ways. That we sinned afterwards and God has been trying to give us the choice of being remade again in their image. In all respects. Mentally,physically and in Character plus whatever else needs to be fixed in us. :)Jesus showed us God and That God is ALWAYS Loving,who wouldn't want to be as loving as God who is also Jesus :)

[Gail]

"the privilege of being like them"

What an awesome thought that is! And how often do we fall short of the ideal!

[Ellen]

Christopher,

if "it" is "made" it isn't God, period.

First thought...Jesus is a man,he is called the second adam, so there can be a second/first eve,maybe man made in gods likeness is true,so that would make that part were God made us in his image and likeness probably not a lie then :)you think?