bonnie Posted April 13, 2010 Posted April 13, 2010 Stanley Dunham's FBI file reportedly destroyed Thomas Lifson Stanley Dunham, the man President Obama called "Gramps", was monitored by the FBI, but like President Obama, his paper trail has been obscured. News comes from Cliff Kincaid, via the Christian News Service and Canadian Fee Press: "The FBI confirms that a file was maintained on Obama's grandfather, Stanley Armour Dunham," states Cliff Kincaid, the journalist who runs the public policy group, America's Survival, Inc. (ASI). "This is a troubling development in the effort to understand the Marxism that drives Obama's policies as president today." In correspondence with Kincaid, available at usasurvival.org, the FBI says the file was destroyed in 1997. The FBI made the admission after Kincaid complied with a request to verify the identity of Dunham and the fact that he was deceased. Dubbed "Gramps" by Obama, Dunham has been depicted in news reports as a patriot who served in the U.S. Army in World War II . But he had a close relationship with Communist Party USA (CPUSA) member Frank Marshall Davis in Hawaii, who reportedly drank and smoke pot with Dunham..... Davis was not only a communist but a pornographer who wrote a semi-biographical novel about having sex with a 13-year-old girl. He mentored Obama for as many as nine years of his young life in Hawaii. America has never had a president so poorly vetted. Keep in mind that Gramps stepped in and raised young Barry Soetoro after first his father and then his mother abandoned him. Stanley Dunham functioned as the closest thing to a father Obama experienced. The reasons the FBI thought he was worth watching will probably never be known, along with so much about Obama's background that might conflict with the carefully manufactured image that the MSM cooperated in selling to the American public, while ridiculing those who sought more information on the odd lacunae in Obama's paper trail. Quote Everything you do is based on the choices you make. It's not your parents, your past relationships, your job, the economy, the weather, an argument, or your age that is to blame. You and only you are responsible for every decision and choice you make, period ... ... Wish more people would realize this. Quotes by Susan Gottesman
SivartM Posted April 13, 2010 Posted April 13, 2010 That website doesn't look like much more than biased alarmism to me. But you will disagree. Has the FBI never destroyed a file before? Or is this part of the New World Order's conspiracy, which planned prior to 1997 that Barack Obama would be president and that therefore some file about his sketchy grandfather must be destroyed because nobody related to a criminal should be elected? Quote "Always forgive your enemies; nothing annoys them so much." - Oscar Wilde�Do to others whatever you would like them to do to you. This is the essence of all that is taught in the law and the prophets." - Jesus
bonnie Posted April 13, 2010 Author Posted April 13, 2010 Quote: That website doesn't look like much more than biased alarmism to me. But you will disagree. Has the FBI never destroyed a file before? Or is this part of the New World Order's conspiracy, which planned prior to 1997 that Barack Obama would be president and that therefore some file about his sketchy grandfather must be destroyed because nobody related to a criminal should be elected? I didn't say anything about a conspiracy .I am not into conspiracies as a general rule.Seems that is uppermost in your mind tho. Criminal relation wasn't what this was about. It is concerning who and what shaped Obama's ideology into what it is today. From his earliest childhood his mentor's, caretakers and associations have been of one mind set.The following is just another in a long line of socialists,marxists and communists,and the likes of Bill Aeyeres. America has never had a president so poorly vetted. Keep in mind that Gramps stepped in and raised young Barry Soetoro after first his father and then his mother abandoned him. Stanley Dunham functioned as the closest thing to a father Obama experienced. Quote Everything you do is based on the choices you make. It's not your parents, your past relationships, your job, the economy, the weather, an argument, or your age that is to blame. You and only you are responsible for every decision and choice you make, period ... ... Wish more people would realize this. Quotes by Susan Gottesman
SivartM Posted April 13, 2010 Posted April 13, 2010 He was friends with a communist. It also says he was a patriot. I don't see what the hullabaloo is. If he was not a communist then why does it matter? 1. The FBI has files on a lot of people 2. I bet that some are destroyed occasionally 3. How could Barack have orchestrated the destruction of the file way back in 1997, long before he had enough power to do so (not that he does now anyway)? And if he was not involved then why does the destruction of the file matter? Quote "Always forgive your enemies; nothing annoys them so much." - Oscar Wilde�Do to others whatever you would like them to do to you. This is the essence of all that is taught in the law and the prophets." - Jesus
bonnie Posted April 13, 2010 Author Posted April 13, 2010 He was friends with a communist. It also says he was a patriot. I don't see what the hullabaloo is. If he was not a communist then why does it matter? Quote Everything you do is based on the choices you make. It's not your parents, your past relationships, your job, the economy, the weather, an argument, or your age that is to blame. You and only you are responsible for every decision and choice you make, period ... ... Wish more people would realize this. Quotes by Susan Gottesman
SivartM Posted April 13, 2010 Posted April 13, 2010 I brought up the conspiracy thing because this is just either a coincidence or a conspiracy to keep us from finding out "the truth about Barack Obama". Why one would need to cover up information about an obscure politician's grandfather I'm not sure. Quote "Always forgive your enemies; nothing annoys them so much." - Oscar Wilde�Do to others whatever you would like them to do to you. This is the essence of all that is taught in the law and the prophets." - Jesus
bonnie Posted April 13, 2010 Author Posted April 13, 2010 I brought up the conspiracy thing because this is just either a coincidence or a conspiracy to keep us from finding out "the truth about Barack Obama". Why one would need to cover up information about an obscure politician's grandfather I'm not sure. I have no idea. Obama has made information about himself difficult to obtain. I don't really care what his academic grades were but I believe he is the only president that has refused to have them released. What does stand out about what Obama is the continual line up at the very least a socialist ideology influences and agreement by Obama in many cases Quote Everything you do is based on the choices you make. It's not your parents, your past relationships, your job, the economy, the weather, an argument, or your age that is to blame. You and only you are responsible for every decision and choice you make, period ... ... Wish more people would realize this. Quotes by Susan Gottesman
SivartM Posted April 13, 2010 Posted April 13, 2010 Who's making assumptions? We don't even know if Barack ever met this communist fellow. And whatever information he hasn't released doesn't have to do with this particular case, which he was probably not involved with. (If I was president, I wouldn't want my grades released either.) Quote "Always forgive your enemies; nothing annoys them so much." - Oscar Wilde�Do to others whatever you would like them to do to you. This is the essence of all that is taught in the law and the prophets." - Jesus
bonnie Posted April 13, 2010 Author Posted April 13, 2010 Who's making assumptions? We don't even know if Barack ever met this communist fellow. Possibly but doesn't sound like it.......He mentored Obama for as many as nine years of his young life in Hawaii. And whatever information he hasn't released doesn't have to do with this particular case, which he was probably not involved with. (If I was president, I wouldn't want my grades released either.) Quote Everything you do is based on the choices you make. It's not your parents, your past relationships, your job, the economy, the weather, an argument, or your age that is to blame. You and only you are responsible for every decision and choice you make, period ... ... Wish more people would realize this. Quotes by Susan Gottesman
SivartM Posted April 13, 2010 Posted April 13, 2010 It would help to find out if the communist fellow was even alive or ever went to Hawaii while Barack was there instead of just talking about all the possible consequences of this one small discovery. I notice nobody's saying, "Well, look at that! His grandfather was a patriot!" Now I know not to associate with anyone who has controversial political views... I don't want to hurt my descendants' reputations. Quote "Always forgive your enemies; nothing annoys them so much." - Oscar Wilde�Do to others whatever you would like them to do to you. This is the essence of all that is taught in the law and the prophets." - Jesus
bonnie Posted April 13, 2010 Author Posted April 13, 2010 It would help to find out if the communist fellow was even alive or ever went to Hawaii while Barack was there instead of just talking about all the possible consequences of this one small discovery. Quote Everything you do is based on the choices you make. It's not your parents, your past relationships, your job, the economy, the weather, an argument, or your age that is to blame. You and only you are responsible for every decision and choice you make, period ... ... Wish more people would realize this. Quotes by Susan Gottesman
karl Posted April 15, 2010 Posted April 15, 2010 How could Barack have orchestrated the destruction of the file way back in 1997, long before he had enough power to do so (not that he does now anyway)? And if he was not involved then why does the destruction of the file matter? Cmon, Sivart. The destruction of the file matters because the information it held is no longer available. Obama's past is certainly murky. None of his classmates even remember him from law school. That is significant. It wasn't that long ago. I can name almost all of my classmates from medical school to this day and that was 35 years ago. I know you're young enough that a decade seems like a long time, but it is not a long time. Obama was in the Illinois Senate in 1997. If he was being groomed for bigger things, it would be good to destroy evidence of anything off color in his past. There is ample evidence that Obama has VERY powerful friends. Connect the dots or not. Your choice. Quote
SivartM Posted April 15, 2010 Posted April 15, 2010 Connect the dots = Jumping to conclusions? No thanks. Show me the (non-circumstantial) evidence that Obama had anything to do with this destroyed record, and I will consider it. Quote "Always forgive your enemies; nothing annoys them so much." - Oscar Wilde�Do to others whatever you would like them to do to you. This is the essence of all that is taught in the law and the prophets." - Jesus
karl Posted April 15, 2010 Posted April 15, 2010 Connect the dots = Jumping to conclusions? No thanks. Show me the (non-circumstantial) evidence that Obama had anything to do with this destroyed record, and I will consider it. Is it because he is a Lib that you're good with it? No curiosity? On his first day in office, January 21, 2009, Obama signed Executive Order 13489. This order was entered into the Federal Register on January 26, 2009. What this executive order says, is that only the Attorney General (Eric Holder) and Council to the President, (Gregory Craig) are able to review presidential records requests and determine if they can be made public or not. (See Section 3) In other words, you aren't going to see any records or documents that Obama doesn't want you to see. Original birth certificate -- Not released Obama/Dunham marriage license -- Not released Soetoro/Dunham marriage license -- Not released Soetoro adoption records -- Not released Punahou School records -- Not released Occidental College records -- Not released Passport -- Not released Columbia College records -- Not released Columbia thesis -- Not released Harvard College records -- Not released Harvard Law Review articles -- None Baptism certificate -- None Medical records -- Not released --------------------- Obama has a past that is remarkably non-verifiable. This is not good with me. Maybe it is good with you. Normal people leave a paper trail. Not Obama. Quote
SivartM Posted April 16, 2010 Posted April 16, 2010 I think it's odd. Maybe he's in the witness protection program. Quote "Always forgive your enemies; nothing annoys them so much." - Oscar Wilde�Do to others whatever you would like them to do to you. This is the essence of all that is taught in the law and the prophets." - Jesus
karl Posted April 16, 2010 Posted April 16, 2010 I think it's odd. Maybe he's in the witness protection program. LOL Good one, Sivart. Wouldn't that be rich? We elect a former mobster or something because we're in such a rush to elect a liberal that we don't even care that he doesn't have a verifiable past? Quote
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