Obama to Send 1,200 Troops to Border

[bonnie]

Lawmaker: Obama to Send 1,200 Troops to Border

May 25 03:02 PM US/Eastern

By JACQUES BILLEAUD

Associated Press Writer

PHOENIX (AP) - The Obama administration plans to announce Tuesday that it will send as many as 1,200 National Guard troops to the U.S.-Mexico border to improve border security, an Arizona congresswoman said.

Democratic Rep. Gabrielle Giffords also said in a statement released Tuesday that President Barack Obama will request $500 million in funding for border security.

Part of Giffords' district borders Mexico.

Arizona Gov. Jan Brewer's spokesman said the governor hadn't been told of the move prior to her office being contacted by The Associated Press and had no immediate comment.

In 2006, President George W. Bush sent thousands of troops to the border to perform support duties that tie up immigration agents. The troops wouldn't perform significant law enforcement duties.

That program has since ended, and politicians in border states have called for troops to be sent there to curb human and drug smuggling and prevent Mexico's drug violence from spilling over into the United States.

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Associated Press writer Paul Davenport contributed to this report.

[phkrause]

Lawmaker: Obama to Send 1,200 Troops to Border

May 25 03:02 PM US/Eastern

By JACQUES BILLEAUD

Associated Press Writer

PHOENIX (AP) - The Obama administration plans to announce Tuesday that it will send as many as 1,200 National Guard troops to the U.S.-Mexico border to improve border security, an Arizona congresswoman said.

Democratic Rep. Gabrielle Giffords also said in a statement released Tuesday that President Barack Obama will request $500 million in funding for border security.

Part of Giffords' district borders Mexico.

Arizona Gov. Jan Brewer's spokesman said the governor hadn't been told of the move prior to her office being contacted by The Associated Press and had no immediate comment.

In 2006, President George W. Bush sent thousands of troops to the border to perform support duties that tie up immigration agents. The troops wouldn't perform significant law enforcement duties.

That program has since ended, and politicians in border states have called for troops to be sent there to curb human and drug smuggling and prevent Mexico's drug violence from spilling over into the United States.

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Associated Press writer Paul Davenport contributed to this report.

Interesting article Bonnie, thanks for the post.

pk

[phkrause]

BONNIE

WELL I guess that OBAMA can not talk nicely this time

so he has to send troops to help

dgrimm60

Where does it say that?

pk

[bonnie]

I don't understand why they need the president to order the National Guard.That is state.

When we were wiped by a tornado and looters showed up almost right away MN governor ordered the National Guard. Ordered shoot to kill cooled any desire for what they could gain by looting.

It was not the president that called out the guard

[phkrause]

I don't understand why they need the president to order the National Guard.That is state.

When we were wiped by a tornado and looters showed up almost right away MN governor ordered the National Guard. Ordered shoot to kill cooled any desire for what they could gain by looting.

It was not the president that called out the guard

The article that you posted mentions that the previous president also ordered the NG into Arizona. Obviously the Governor of Arizona both times didn't do this or wouldn't.

pk

[bonnie]

Originally Posted By: bonnie

I don't understand why they need the president to order the National Guard.That is state.

When we were wiped by a tornado and looters showed up almost right away MN governor ordered the National Guard. Ordered shoot to kill cooled any desire for what they could gain by looting.

It was not the president that called out the guard

The article that you posted mentions that the previous president also ordered the NG into Arizona. Obviously the Governor of Arizona both times didn't do this or wouldn't.

pk

I know but why. The governors of MN have more than once called in the guard when there was serious and widespread damage due to tornado's. They weren't fooling around or for show.

"Shoot to kill" got some serious attention

[Dr. Shane]

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In 2006, President George W. Bush sent thousands of troops to the border to perform support duties that tie up immigration agents. The troops wouldn't perform significant law enforcement duties.

This is very important. We do not want soldiers doing police work on the front line. We do not want to militarize our border. Having soldiers do support work frees more Border Patrol agents to do the law enforcement. However this is just a quick fix and not a long-term solution. We need to increase the size of our Border Patrol.

[Dr. Shane]

I don't understand why they need the president to order the National Guard.That is state.

Both can activate the National Guard. If the governor does it, the state pays for it. If the President does it, the federal government pays.

BTW, I was in the MN National Guard. Here I was building a bridge on the Mississippi.

[phkrause]

Originally Posted By: bonnie

I don't understand why they need the president to order the National Guard.That is state.

Both can activate the National Guard. If the governor does it, the state pays for it. If the President does it, the federal government pays.

BTW, I was in the MN National Guard. Here I was building a bridge on the Mississippi.

Nice Shane.

pk

[bonnie]

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BTW, I was in the MN National Guard. Here I was building a bridge on the Mississippi.

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Nice Shane.

pk

Was that the bridge over the Mississippi that ended up in the river killing and injuring many

[phkrause]

LOL, you know what Bonnie? I was thinking the same thing. LOL

But I didn't want to say anything. LOL

pk

[Dr. Shane]

Was that the bridge over the Mississippi that ended up in the river killing and injuring many?

No. If you look at the first picture you will see it was a floating bridge that we were building.

[bonnie]

Interesting to see the gun. The National Guard that is being sent to Arizona will be without guns as they are to interrupt the human and gun smuggling.

Maybe if they say please or train the border guard to say please nicely

[Woody]

Why are 1200 desk jobs needed. What are they over looking? The books?

[bonnie]

Why are 1200 desk jobs needed. What are they over looking? The books?

Just think of the great photo op

[Dr. Shane]

Posse Comitatus Act prohibits the military from doing law enforcement.

[Woody]

Then that only leaves one group that can enforce the law breakers who come across the borders ... The Arizona police department. The same ones who Obama is criticizing.

[Dr. Shane]

If Obama would increase the size of the Border Patrol, the police could protect us from common criminals instead of hungry Mexicans looking for work.

[Woody]

Both are criminals.

[Dr. Shane]

Perhaps, but one is going to go out and pick tomatoes and cabbage. The other is going to steal your car. Now cities only have a limited number of police. Should those police be protecting our cars and homes of rounding up undocumented tomato-pickers? Somehow I would feel safer if President Obama increased the Border Patrol so the local police could respond to my burglar alarm or a 911 call when they need to.

[bonnie]

Perhaps, but one is going to go out and pick tomatoes and cabbage. The other is going to steal your car. Now cities only have a limited number of police. Should those police be protecting our cars and homes of rounding up undocumented tomato-pickers? Somehow I would feel safer if President Obama increased the Border Patrol so the local police could respond to my burglar alarm or a 911 call when they need to.

During harvest season we have a lot going out to pick cabbage and

tomatoes by day and steal your car by night.

I don't know the statistical numbers of legal vs illegal but in our area the domestic assaults,gas siphoning,petty theft etc increase dramatically.

The area's where they live looks like a ghetto.

[doug yowell]

Perhaps, but one is going to go out and pick tomatoes and cabbage. The other is going to steal your car. Now cities only have a limited number of police. Should those police be protecting our cars and homes of rounding up undocumented tomato-pickers? Somehow I would feel safer if President Obama increased the Border Patrol so the local police could respond to my burglar alarm or a 911 call when they need to.

Very noble, Shane. Allow all illegals to illegally enter the country so that the police can determine which of them has already stolen your car, or your work tools,or your job,or has totaled your car while driving illegally and without insurance. Why not give the same treatment to Pakistani immigrants. Perhaps one is going to work at a convience store. The other is going to shoot a group of Jews. Shouldn't the limited number of police be protecting (responding to the 911 call)our citizens against (an unlimited number of) criminals instead of rounding up the 7/11 workers?

[Dr. Shane]

During harvest season we have a lot going out to pick cabbage and

tomatoes by day and steal your car by night.

I don't know the statistical numbers of legal vs illegal but in our area the domestic assaults,gas siphoning,petty theft etc increase dramatically.

The area's where they live looks like a ghetto.

Indeed. And when we go to the ghetto we find the same kind of petty crimes. But we are changing the subject here. The discussion is about using city, county and state police departments to enforce immigration law or to use federal Border Patrol law enforcement.

Of course the state and local police need to enforce the law in regards to petty crimes. Wherever we find poverty in the western world, we find petty crime. Local and state law enforcement prioritize on how they best serve the community in their enforcement of local and state laws. If we add the enforcement of federal immigration laws to their duties, we stretch them thinner and thus place our local communities at greater risk.

One fact the extreme right wing must accept. Migrant workers are not going away. America needs them. If and when we get our immigration system fixed we will still have migrant workers. The difference is that they will all have papers. They will enter the country legally on work visas. The poor will still steal cars and siphon gas. That is the reality of having poor people in society. Migrant workers move from place to place wherever they can find work. In that way, they are different from the poor in the ghettos. That is not going to change. Rather than whining and complaining about the people that feed us, just put an alarm on the car, put on a locked gas cap. Then sit back and enjoy that watermelon. Enjoy those onions and tomatoes. Enjoy the sugar made from sugar beets. A migrant worker put those on our tables.

[Dr. Shane]

Very noble, Shane. Allow all illegals to illegally enter the country so that the police can determine which of them has already stolen your car...

I have never stated we should allow undocumented workers to enter the country illegally. Quite to the contrary! I have stated we need to increase Border Patrol officers and give them the needed equipment so they can enforce the law at the border. The local and state police shouldn't have to deal with the issue if we have enough Border Patrol agents to do so.

[bonnie]

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Indeed. And when we go to the ghetto we find the same kind of petty crimes. But we are changing the subject here. The discussion is about using city, county and state police departments to enforce immigration law or to use federal Border Patrol law enforcement.

I am not talking about going to the ghettos.

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Of course the state and local police need to enforce the law in regards to petty crimes.

The local police can't.To many petty criminals and to many complaints.

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Wherever we find poverty in the western world, we find petty crime. Local and state law enforcement prioritize on how they best serve the community in their enforcement of local and state laws. If we add the enforcement of federal immigration laws to their duties, we stretch them thinner and thus place our local communities at greater risk.

Federal enforcement is a joke,they don't care.Yup,let's blame poverty instead of the culprits.

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One fact the extreme right wing must accept. Migrant workers are not going away. America needs them. If and when we get our immigration system fixed we will still have migrant workers. The difference is that they will all have papers. They will enter the country legally on work visas. The poor will still steal cars and siphon gas. That is the reality of having poor people in society. Migrant workers move from place to place wherever they can find work. In that way, they are different from the poor in the ghettos. That is not going to change. Rather than whining and complaining about the people that feed us, just put an alarm on the car, put on a locked gas cap. Then sit back and enjoy that watermelon. Enjoy those onions and tomatoes. Enjoy the sugar made from sugar beets. A migrant worker put those on our tables.

No actually my watermelon,onions and tomatoes do not come from migrant workers.Small growers taking care of their own is where I buy.

Entering the country legally seems to bring with it a different mindset.

Hopefully MN will follow thru and pass a tougher immigration law.