Moderators John317 Posted June 24, 2010 Moderators Posted June 24, 2010 By George F. Will Thursday, June 24, 2010 In 1932, during a lunch in Albany with Rexford Tugwell, an adviser, New York Gov. Franklin Roosevelt paused to take a telephone call from Louisiana Gov. Huey Long. When the call ended, FDR referred to Long as the second-most dangerous man in America. Who, Tugwell asked, is the most dangerous? FDR answered: Douglas MacArthur. As Army chief of staff, MacArthur had just flamboyantly conducted the violent dispersal of the bedraggled "bonus army" in Washington. Nearly 19 years later, he was to become most dangerous to himself, as another commanding general has now done. But Stanley McChrystal is no MacArthur. MacArthur had some of the genius and much of the egomania of a former artillery captain, Napoleon. This made MacArthur insubordinate and got him cashiered by a former artillery captain, Harry Truman. Although McChrystal is a fine soldier who rendered especially distinguished service in Iraq, there is no reason to ascribe to him either egomania or insubordination. He did, however, emphatically disqualify himself from further military service and particularly from service in Afghanistan. There the military's purely military tasks are secondary to the political and social tasks for which the military is ill-suited, and for which McChrystal is garishly so. The American undertaking in Afghanistan is a fool's errand, and McChrystal is breathtakingly foolish. Even so, he and it were badly matched. This, even though the errand is of the president's careful devising and McChrystal was the president's choice to replace the four-star general who had been commanding there. It may be said that McChrystal's defect is only a deficit of political acumen. Only? Again, the mission in Afghanistan is much more political than military. Counterinsurgency, as defined by McChrystal's successor, Gen. David Petraeus, and tepidly embraced by Barack Obama for a year or so, does not just involve nation-building, it is nation-building. This does not require just political acumen; it requires the wisdom of Aristotle, the leadership skills of George Washington and the analytic sophistication of de Tocqueville. But, then, the grinding paradox of nation-building is this: No one with the aptitudes necessary for it would be rash or delusional enough to try it. The McChrystal debacle comes as America's longest war is entering a surreal stage: The military is charged with a staggeringly complex task, the completion of which -- if completion can even be envisioned -- must involve many years. But when given the task, the military was told to begin bringing it to a close in a matter of 18 months. The not quite seven months that have passed since the president announced his policy have seen sobering military disappointments and daunting evidence of how intractable is the incompetence and how manifold is the corruption of the Kabul government. For as long as we persist in this Sisyphean agony, the president will depend on forthrightness from a military commander whose judgment he trusts. That could not be McChrystal; it is Petraeus. If McChrystal had been retained, he would have henceforth been chastened, abject, wary and reticent. It is unthinkable that he could still have been a valuable participant in future deliberations with the president and his principal national security advisers. The president demanded, and the Americans in harm's way in Afghanistan deserve, better. It is difficult, and perhaps unwise, to suppress this thought: McChrystal's disrespectful flippancies, and the chorus of equally disdainful comments from the unpleasant subordinates he has chosen to have around him, emanate from the toxic conditions that result when the military's can-do culture collides with a cannot-be-done assignment. In this toxicity, Afghanistan is Vietnam redux. In July 1945, with the war in the Pacific still to be won and Winston Churchill engaged in the Potsdam conference, the British electorate turned him out of office. When his wife, Clementine, suggested that this might be a blessing in disguise, he replied: If so, it is very well disguised indeed. The shattering of McChrystal is a messy blessing if the president seizes upon it as a reason for revisiting basic questions about whether Afghanistan matters so much and what is possible there and at what cost. It may be said that with the Afghan mission entering -- or soon to enter; it is late and now may become more so -- a crucial military phase in Kandahar, the cradle of the Taliban, McChrystal is indispensable. Any who may say that should heed the words of another general, one of the 20th century's greatest leaders and realists. Charles de Gaulle said: The graveyards are full of indispensable men. georgewill@washpost.com Quote John 3:16-17 For God so loved the world, that he gave his only Son, that whoever believes in him should not perish but have eternal life. [17] For God did not send his Son into the world to condemn the world, but in order that the world might be saved through him.
Dr. Shane Posted June 24, 2010 Posted June 24, 2010 President Obama definitely did the right thing with this one. McChrystal was way out of line. What was he doing talking to Rolling Stone anyway? Quote Pastoral Family Counselor... Find me at www.PostumCafe.com Author of Peculiar Christianity
bonnie Posted June 24, 2010 Posted June 24, 2010 President Obama definitely did the right thing with this one. McChrystal was way out of line. What was he doing talking to Rolling Stone anyway? Have to be impressed with the transformation of General Petreus. While Bush was president he was dubbed General Betray Us.Most of the bigger names in the democrat side couldn't say enough bad about him.Hilary was quite elegant in calling him a liar. MoveOn.org did remove their offensive remarks about him now. Ever notice when a person that is not very well thought of dies they become ready for sainthood as soon as they end up in the casket. Sterling character ALL Quote Everything you do is based on the choices you make. It's not your parents, your past relationships, your job, the economy, the weather, an argument, or your age that is to blame. You and only you are responsible for every decision and choice you make, period ... ... Wish more people would realize this. Quotes by Susan Gottesman
Woody Posted June 24, 2010 Posted June 24, 2010 As Christians ... we believe in giving people a second chance. This was most certainly a power hungry poltical move by BO Quote May we be one so that the world may be won. Christian from the cradle to the grave I believe in Hematology.
Dr. Shane Posted June 25, 2010 Posted June 25, 2010 Well, said Woody. President Obama is showing us his Christian character by giving General Petreus a second chance. Kind of like God gave Nineveh. Quote Pastoral Family Counselor... Find me at www.PostumCafe.com Author of Peculiar Christianity
Woody Posted June 25, 2010 Posted June 25, 2010 You got me there .... HA HA Quote May we be one so that the world may be won. Christian from the cradle to the grave I believe in Hematology.
bonnie Posted June 25, 2010 Posted June 25, 2010 Well, said Woody. President Obama is showing us his Christian character by giving General Petreus a second chance. Kind of like God gave Nineveh. Actually Obama should be grateful to McChrystal. It gave him a chance to look decisive and presidential without expending much. He has failed to be viewed that way by a majority of americans. He didn't have the political capital to just give McChrystal a dressing down .For someone that is weak and ineffective,leaders of other countries laughing at him he could not afford to be charitable. Good for Petreus tho,he didn't have to die to be transformed Quote Everything you do is based on the choices you make. It's not your parents, your past relationships, your job, the economy, the weather, an argument, or your age that is to blame. You and only you are responsible for every decision and choice you make, period ... ... Wish more people would realize this. Quotes by Susan Gottesman
karl Posted June 25, 2010 Posted June 25, 2010 McChrystal was fired over a poorly written Rolling Stone article which names him on only one thing that could even remotely be qualified as anti-administration. Here’s the worst attributed to McChrystal: A rhetorical question of “How did I get screwed into this dinner?”, made to one of his staffers, in relation to a presentation he was about to make to some French dignitaries. He followed that question by flipping the bird to his staffer, and asking “Does this come with the position?” On the same topic, he mentioned “I’d rather have my ass kicked by a roomful of people than go out to this dinner. Unfortunately, no one in this room could do it.” Hmmm. A bit crude, maybe, in today’s PC world. But it just sounds like some harmless grumbling to me. Another time he asks an interviewer, “Are you asking about Vice President Biden?” and says with a laugh, “Who’s that?” OK, that’s a bit disrespectful. But hardly a firing offense, IMO. There’s one other quote where he complains about a secret report questioning his strategy, which was leaked to the New York Times : “I like Karl (the author of the leaked report, a former general, and current Ambassador to Afghanistan), I’ve known him for years, but they’d never said anything like that to me before. He said he felt “betrayed” by the leak, and said “Here’s one that covers his flank for the history books. Now if we fail, they can say, “I told you so.” So that’s it. The rest of the damning “evidence” is attributed to anonymous staffers and aides. OK, maybe he is responsible for comments made by his staff. But again, why did the author choose to hide every single name of the staffers who supposedly made the offensive comments? Seems if somebody is going to get fired, we should be naming names here. Quote
Guest Posted June 25, 2010 Posted June 25, 2010 Because The Rolling Stone is nothing more than a liberal rag. Quote
Woody Posted June 25, 2010 Posted June 25, 2010 I know of a certain Vice President who is famous for stupid remarks. Wonder if he will get fired? Quote May we be one so that the world may be won. Christian from the cradle to the grave I believe in Hematology.
Members phkrause Posted June 25, 2010 Members Posted June 25, 2010 Because The Rolling Stone is nothing more than a liberal rag. Richard so what do you consider the NE? If I had to choose I'd say that the RS mag is conservative compared to NE. Quote phkrause When the righteous are in authority, the people rejoice; But when a wicked man rules, the people groan. Proverbs 29;2
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