Guest Posted July 11, 2010 Posted July 11, 2010 Pastor Yanked From Capitol Over 'Jesus' Prayer By Todd Starnes A North Carolina pastor was relieved of his duties as an honorary chaplain of the state house of representatives after he closed a prayer by invoking the name of Jesus. “I got fired,” said Ron Baity, pastor of Berean Baptist Church in Winston-Salem. He had been invited to lead prayer for an entire week but his tenure was cut short when he refused to remove the name Jesus from his invocation. Baity’s troubles began during the week of May 31. He said a House clerk asked to see his prayer. The invocation including prayers for our military, state lawmakers and a petition to God asking him to bless North Carolina.” “When I handed it to the lady, I watched her eyes and they immediately went right to the bottom of the page and the word Jesus,” he told FOX News Radio. “She said ‘We would prefer that you not use the name Jesus. We have some people here that can be offended.’” When Baity protested, she brought the matter to the attention of House Speaker Joe Hackney. “I told her I was highly offended when she asked me not to pray in the name of Jesus because that does constitute my faith,” Baity said. “My faith requires that I pray in His name. The Bible is very clear.” When the clerk returned, Baity said he was told that he would be allowed to deliver the day’s prayer – but after that – his services would no longer be needed. Hackney, a Democrat, and House Republican Leader Paul Stam released a joint statement to FOX News Radio: “It has been our practice in the North Carolina House of Representatives for many years to request, but not require, that our guest chaplains deliver a nonsectarian prayer. This is intended as a show of respect for all the religions practiced by the members of the House and the people we represent.” “In this instance, we allowed Pastor Baity to deliver his prayer, without interference, even though it was sectarian in nature. Nonetheless, we will review our procedures and guidelines concerning guest chaplains, and we will make sure we abide by applicable constitutional procedures. The House will adjourn within the next few days, but the results of this review will be publicly available whenever it is complete.” Baity said he’s not happy with the way he was treated. “When the state tells you how to pray, that you cannot use the name of Jesus – that’s mandating a state religion,” he said. “They talk about not offending other people but at the same time, if they are telling me how to pray – that’s the very thing our forefathers left England for.” The Christian Law Association helped Baity draft a letter asking for an apology and an opportunity to return to the state capitol and finish his tenure. “The First Amendment promises all Americans the free exercise of their religion, which includes the right to pray as their faith requires, even when they are invited to open state legislative sessions with prayer,” attorney David Gibbs told WXII-TV. “We trust that the North Carolina House of Representatives will realize its mistake and will offer Pastor Baity another opportunity to pray without requiring him to use a prayer that is mandated by government.” Baity said he is still stunned by what happened. “You would expect this somewhere else – Cuba, Saudi Arabia,” he told FOX News Radio. “You would never anticipate this happening in the United States of America.” In a word – the pastor said – the decision is “anti-Christian.” http://radio.foxnews.com/2010/07/09/pastor-banished-from-capitol-over-jesus-prayer/#axzz0tLYGXi37 Quote
Dr. Shane Posted July 11, 2010 Posted July 11, 2010 As long as they give clergy from all the religions in the state a chance to participate, I don't see a problem in sectarian prayer. They may need to put a time limit on it but dictate the content. Quote Pastoral Family Counselor... Find me at www.PostumCafe.com Author of Peculiar Christianity
Moderators Gregory Matthews Posted July 11, 2010 Moderators Posted July 11, 2010 And how would feel, as a legislator, to have a prayer closed in the name of the god Krishna? Personallly, I do not beleive that the Bible requires me to pray with the words: "in the name of Jesus." Quote Gregory
Dr. Shane Posted July 11, 2010 Posted July 11, 2010 And how would feel, as a legislator, to have a prayer closed in the name of the god Krishna? Quote Pastoral Family Counselor... Find me at www.PostumCafe.com Author of Peculiar Christianity
SivartM Posted July 11, 2010 Posted July 11, 2010 Would you bow your head if someone was praying to Krishna? Would you participate in any way? If not, then what's the point of having someone pray in congress? Quote "Always forgive your enemies; nothing annoys them so much." - Oscar Wilde�Do to others whatever you would like them to do to you. This is the essence of all that is taught in the law and the prophets." - Jesus
Dr. Shane Posted July 11, 2010 Posted July 11, 2010 They may need to put a time limit on it but dictate the content. That should read: They may need to put a time limit on it but NOT dictate the content. Quote Pastoral Family Counselor... Find me at www.PostumCafe.com Author of Peculiar Christianity
Dr. Shane Posted July 11, 2010 Posted July 11, 2010 Would you bow your head if someone was praying to Krishna? Quote Pastoral Family Counselor... Find me at www.PostumCafe.com Author of Peculiar Christianity
Moderators Gerr Posted July 11, 2010 Moderators Posted July 11, 2010 Wasn't he just "witnessing?" And how would you explain to him - "If you ask anything IN MY NAME....." Quote
Amelia Posted July 11, 2010 Posted July 11, 2010 When Jesus taught the people to pray; the only reference he taught was "Our Father". Quote <p><span style="color:#0000FF;"><span style="font-weight:bold;"><span style="font-style:italic;">"Do not use harmful words, but only helpful words, the kind that build up and provide what is needed, so that what you say will do good to those who hear you."</span></span> Eph 4:29</span><br><br><img src="http://banners.wunderground.com/weathersticker/gizmotimetemp_both/US/OR/Fairview.gif" alt="Fairview.gif"> Fairview Or</p>
nuff sed Posted July 11, 2010 Posted July 11, 2010 Didn't Barry Black, Chaplain of the US Senate pray in the name of Jesus in his opening prayer as Chaplain? I didn't hear any repercussions. As a Chaplain connected with law enforcement I am not allowed to pray in the name of Jesus lest I 'offend' someone. There are some who will certainly be 'offended' when the 'Good Lord' comes and they are not included in the gathering. nuff sed. Quote
Members phkrause Posted July 11, 2010 Members Posted July 11, 2010 Didn't Barry Black, Chaplain of the US Senate pray in the name of Jesus in his opening prayer as Chaplain? I didn't hear any repercussions. As a Chaplain connected with law enforcement I am not allowed to pray in the name of Jesus lest I 'offend' someone. There are some who will certainly be 'offended' when the 'Good Lord' comes and they are not included in the gathering. nuff sed. Quote phkrause When the righteous are in authority, the people rejoice; But when a wicked man rules, the people groan. Proverbs 29;2
Dr. Shane Posted July 12, 2010 Posted July 12, 2010 As a Chaplain connected with law enforcement I am not allowed to pray in the name of Jesus lest I 'offend' someone. I think that is understandable. A prisoner is arrested, taken away and locked up. He or she shouldn't be subjected to a chaplain then coming in and trying to proselytize him or her. In that situation, the prisoner's religious liberty trumps the free exercise of the chaplain. However if the prisoner were to ask the chaplain to pray in the name of Jesus, I would see no reason why the chaplain couldn't do that - providing that the chaplain is in fact a Christian. Quote Pastoral Family Counselor... Find me at www.PostumCafe.com Author of Peculiar Christianity
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