Nine years ago today

[Stan]

Nine years ago today, the attacks on, and fear of Muslims began.

[Dr. Shane]

[Woody]

From the looks of those pics ... I'd say the fear is justified.

[Dr. Shane]

[Neil D]

For all your patriotic fervor, perhaps you all need to listen to

the real problem that has occurred since 911-

....and to which this thread is really all about...

Muslims against Extremism and Fundamentalism

[Woody]

9-11 9 years

[bonnie]

From the looks of those pics ... I'd say the fear is justified.

I think a lot of the sentiment towards muslims is resentment and frustration more than fear that they are here to kill all they can

More than likely we will get hit again and probably by the same mind set.

Much of the reaction that muslims experience is brought on by their own demands and behavior.

Their religion should be respected but not as a faith a rung or two above all others,and one that must be catered to. There are employers here that will refuse to hire a muslim. It of course is not stated as such but there application is tossed or put at the bottom.To hire a muslim is a lawsuit waiting to happen. They will apply and accept a position they know will cause them to violate their religious principals,then turn around and sue to make the company make special concessions.Generally winning.

Here they get paid prayer breaks in addition to their regular paid breaks.They can insist a service dog for the handicapped not be in the same room with them.

Even in the scehduled Quran burning,worldwide attention was focused on that.As if the muslims should be exempt from being offended because they are muslims.

I wouldn't be afraid to bet if someone wanted to burn the catholic bible in their backyard that world wide condemnation would occur. In this instance it probably was fear,knowing that rioting and killing would happen.

Muslims should have the same protections as all religions,not more because they are muslims.

It will be tough to go thru life without being offended. Those that have come here for a better life have to accept the "freedoms" they don't like as well.

[Dr. Shane]

9/11 was a result of many years of hatred. The extremist Muslims believe the attack was justified because the West has been exporting its infidel culture (movies, music, drugs, dress, sexuality) around the world. The extremist Muslims blame the US (rather than Saddam) for all the Iraqi deaths that occurred as a result of the UN's Iraqi Embargo. There was a lot of resentment and hatred building up over the years within certain Muslim sects that all came to fruition on 9/11.

The result of the attack was that many Americans began to hate Muslims for what these Americans saw as an unprovoked attack. These Americans than started to lash out at Muslim communities - most of which are not part of the extremists sects which attacked the country. Thus we see a cycle of hatred.

So this is the cycle:

• Extremists Muslim sects hate the west
• Extremist Muslims attack on 9/11
• The attacks of 9/11 cause some Americans to hate Muslims
• The hatred toward the Muslims results in demonstrations and acts of violence toward them

It is the cycle of hatred. The only thing the attack on 9/11 accomplished was to cause more hated.

[Woody]

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The only thing the attack on 9/11 accomplished was to cause more hated.

I agree. So, the Muslims win the war ... for hatred is what they wanted. They certaily aren't after LOVE.

[SivartM]

Christians aren't after love either. They'd be happy if all Muslims were shot. Or is that just some Christians?

If we want to beat the terrorists, we'll welcome friendly Muslims with open arms just like we ought to do for anyone. They are not pests, they are people.

[Dr. Shane]

How should we treat the unfriendly Muslims? Approximately 1/3 of Muslims sympathize with the terrorist sects. How should those be treated?

[Neil D]

I have learned that if I want to destroy an enemy, I must make him my friend......

[bonnie]

Christians aren't after love either. They'd be happy if all Muslims were shot. Or is that just some Christians?

A bit of a stretch again on your part isn't it? Do you know so many "christians" that want to shooy muslims?

If we want to beat the terrorists, we'll welcome friendly Muslims with open arms just like we ought to do for anyone. They are not pests, they are people.

[SivartM]

If you want to talk about terrorists, talk about terrorists. Saying, "Muslims" when you mean something else and then saying, "Oh, I really only meant these particular Muslims" does not make one sound like they love Muslims as much as they claim.

[GreatLakesGramma]

I have learned that if I want to destroy an enemy, I must make him my friend......

That is a good thought, but unfortunately, there are those who do not want to be your friend, and will only despise you more for your attempts to befriend them. And I'm not talking only about Muslims vs. Christians.

[bonnie]

If you want to talk about terrorists, talk about terrorists. Saying, "Muslims" when you mean something else and then saying, "Oh, I really only meant these particular Muslims" does not make one sound like they love Muslims as much as they claim.

Not sure who you are responding to. For me,saying muslim does not mean anything else but muslim.

So far those that have killed americans either here or in other suicide bombings have been muslim I believe.

[Gordon1]

Christ was not afraid of other religions. He warned the greatest danger came from within the church.

"They shall put you out of the synagogues (congregations): yea, the time cometh that whosoever killeth you will think that he doeth God service." (John 16:2)

Ellen White did not have a vision of Muslims or Buddhists or Shintoists assaulting her home. Rather it was a Catholic procession, but when she looked closer they were members of her own church. (1T 578)

This clearly shows it was the spirit of the Inquisition which had entered the hearts of her fellow believers - they had been taken captive by Satan and could not tolerate her role as messenger, so set out to eliminate her. This happened to Christ and will happen again.

Christians do not fear for their lives because Christ never taught them to fear.

TV and media will teach us to fear, but these are not Christ's tools.

[bonnie]

Christ was not afraid of other religions. He warned the greatest danger came from within the church.

Ellen White did not have a vision of Muslims or Buddhists or Shintoists assaulting her home. Rather it was a Catholic procession, but when she looked closer they were members of her own church. (1T 578)

Christians do not fear for their lives because Christ never taught them to fear.

TV and media will teach us to fear, but these are not Christ's tools.

I bet this would have brought great comfort to those trapped in the towers knowing they were going to burn to death

[Gordon1]

I bet this would have brought great comfort to those trapped in the towers knowing they were going to burn to death

Quite true Bonnie, the teachings of Christ always bring comfort to the believer.

[Dr. Shane]

United 93

Good movie

[bonnie]

Originally Posted By: bonnie

I bet this would have brought great comfort to those trapped in the towers knowing they were going to burn to death

Quite true Bonnie, the teachings of Christ always bring comfort to the believer.

I don't think most want to die.A christian does not have to fear the unknown.

But christian or not I doubt anyone would calmly sit there waiting to burn to death because of the comfort of Christs teachings. I thinkn there was more than a little fear of the pain of a slow agonizing death.Or splattering themselves all over the sidewalk when they panicked at the thought of burning to death.Nor do I think anyone cared at the time who was responsible.

Perhaps you would have felt different but I don't think so.

[Gordon1]

All that would matter to me is the Judgment Bonnie.

Are all sins confessed and forsaken.

Guns & money will be meaningless.

[bonnie]

All that would matter to me is the Judgment Bonnie.

Are all sins confessed and forsaken.

Guns & money will be meaningless.

Didn't know this was about the judgment,money or guns.I am pretty sure most christians ...Guns & money will be meaningless.

Regardless we have to live on this old earth for a unknown period of time.

Maybe you would have sat calmly waiting to burn to death in the towers knowing all that mattered was the judgment some day.