Miners come to surface with ...

[Woody]

some interesting decisions.

One miner has a difficult decision. Who to allow to come and welcome him when he comes to the surface.

He has both a wife and a girlfriend.

The wife said to allow the girlfriend because "she (the wife) didn't need to be there." OUCH.

[phkrause]

some interesting decisions.

One miner has a difficult decision. Who to allow to come and welcome him when he comes to the surface.

He has both a wife and a girlfriend.

The wife said to allow the girlfriend because "she (the wife) didn't need to be there." OUCH.

From what I've been hearing and seeing he asked both to be there.

He wrote his wife while he was stuck down there that he had a mistress and that he wanted them both to be there. The said no way would she be there. I say good for her.

[SivartM]

That's awful!

Also, apparently the Adventist pastor down there is claiming that God used only him to save the miners. So are other pastors/priests in the area. I read about it on Spectrum. Apparently the people who are actually rescuing aren't as important as we thought, and some egocentric pastors are pulling up miners with invisible strings.

[Woody]

Amazing SivartM. Just amazing. And this was an Adventist pastor?

[phkrause]

That's awful!

Also, apparently the Adventist pastor down there is claiming that God used only him to save the miners. So are other pastors/priests in the area. I read about it on Spectrum. Apparently the people who are actually rescuing aren't as important as we thought, and some egocentric pastors are pulling up miners with invisible strings.

I hadn't heard that Sivart, are you sure?

[bonnie]

Quote:

I hadn't heard that Sivart, are you sure? [/quote']

There hasn't been any statement made as to egocentric pastors pulling up miners with invisible strings.

It would be nice to hear the whole story,especially for those that are always so quick to accept a derogatory story about SDA's.

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They didn't even get their hands dirty!

Category: Religion

Posted on: October 11, 2010 10:32 PM, by PZ Myers

We've all heard about the Chilean miners trapped in a cave-in, who have been sustained for over two months by supplies delivered through a narrow tunnel drilled down to them. Their rescue is imminent, with an escape tunnel being drilled and almost at their position — they should be out this week. Personally, I credit technology with saving them, but…three religious groups are squabbling over which version of god deserves thanks.

The three Christian denominations have each claimed credit for what they say is divine intervention in the survival - and expected imminent rescue - of the 33 men who have spent 67 days beneath the earth.

"God has spoken to me clearly and guided my hand each step of the rescue," said Carlos Parra Diaz, a Seventh-day Adventist pastor at the San Jose mine. "He wanted the miners to be rescued and I am His instrument."

Yards from where he spoke Caspar Quintana, the Catholic bishop of Copiapo, prepared an altar to celebrate an outdoor mass for a small congregation of miners' relatives and phalanx of TV cameras. "God has heard our prayers," said the bishop. "I have received comments of encouragement from all over the world. Let us give thanks."

A litte bit further up the hill of Camp Hope, the improvised settlement of miners' families, rescuers, government officials and media, an evangelical preacher, Javier Soto , wandered from family to family with a guitar and songs of praise. "He listens to the music," said the pastor, gesturing to the azure sky.

You know, the drill hasn't quite reached the miners. Maybe we should just shut down the machinery, withdraw all the tools and the laborers, and have Mr Diaz, Mr Quintana, and Mr Soto stand above the men and use their magic to complete the rescue. That would be impressive.

I'd also like to see the three frauds step forward and take the blame for all mining deaths, as well.

[bonnie]

Trapped Chilean miners find light of Word in ‘mini-Bibles’

August 31, 2010

Source: Adventist News Network

The arrival of miniature Bibles to 33 Chilean miners trapped some 2,300 feet underground is bolstering their hope of rescue.

Seventh-day Adventist pastor Carlos Parra Diaz (left), shows one of the miniature Bibles sent down a supply shaft to the 33 trapped miners in the Atacama desert. Parra is serving as chaplain at the rescue site, local church leaders said. [photo courtesy South American Division]

"Give thanks to those who sent us the Bibles," a miner identified as Renan told a Brazilian weekly newsmagazine last week. The Bibles "gave me so much faith that I will leave here," Renan said.

Seventh-day Adventist officials in Chile say the Bibles they provided the miners are supplying spiritual light as the group awaits rescue. Local media outlets have labeled the miners' survival so far a miracle, and their reports have highlighted the church's initiative.

The miners -- who have been trapped since the August 5 collapse of a tunnel at the San Jose mine in Chile's Atacama desert -- rationed what would have been two days' worth of food to stretch until they were discovered some 17 days later. Now, they await rescue, which mining experts say could take up to four months.

The Associated Press on August 31 reported that preliminary drilling has begun to liberate the miners. While they wait, food, water, medical supplies -- and now, miniature Bibles -- are arriving through a supply shaft.

Carlos Parra Diaz, an Adventist pastor who oversees the northern Chilean district of Copiapo, secured approval from Laurence Golborne, the country's mining minister, to send Bibles to the trapped miners. Each volume is approximately three by five inches to fit into the device that is transporting supplies to the miners. Each Bible was personalized with a miner's name and included specific scriptures to encourage them.

"We have always been available to help our brothers who are suffering both outside and inside of the mine," Parra said. "Now we have prepared ... these mini Bibles so the miners, in their confinement, can read the Word of God."

A magnifying glass accompanied each of the mini Bibles to make reading easier, the Brazilian newsmagazine reported. Each Bible is labeled with the words, "We are praying for your return." The magazine also said that Psalms 40 is highlighted in each Bible. The passage reads, in part, "I waited patiently for the Lord; and he inclined to me, and heard my cry. He also brought me up out of a horrible pit ... and set my feet upon a rock, and established my steps."

The church also gave a copy of the Bible to the ministers of health and mining, as well as to each of the families at the rescue site. Parra is acting as the camp's chaplain, local Adventist leaders said.

"If God has kept them alive, he will continue taking care of them," Parra told the Brazilian newsmagazine. "Before, the prayer was for our [countrymen] to be alive. Now, we pray that the final rescue [will] be long before they expect it to be. We are asking for another miracle," he said.

As a result of the Bible distribution, the church has established a presence in the mine area and is now a "spiritual reference" for the camp, local Adventist officials said.

[Dr. Shane]

Some people will go to any lengths to criticize religion.

[phkrause]

Thanks for the info Bonnie.

[SivartM]

"God has spoken to me clearly and guided my hand each step of the rescue," said Carlos Parra Diaz, a Seventh-day Adventist pastor at the San Jose mine. "He wanted the miners to be rescued and I am His instrument."

Am I the only one who thinks that sounds arrogant? I was rash, but I still say that, whatever good he has done, this pastor is not responsible for the rescue. They would probably have been rescued without someone handing out Bibles.

[Woody]

WOODY

WELL praise GOD the miners are alive

dgrimm60

Yes dgrimm. Praise God for all 33 precious lives. It was exciting to see.

[Twilight]

Why focus on such a negative aspect of the miners story...?

All this faith in God exhibited on worldwide television and what do we have pointed out to us?

One of them was having and affair...

Could it be more negative?

[rudywoofs (Pam)]

I thought it was awesome to see how they all survived. And that other countries were involved in helping Chile with the best technology they had to offer. Would that the United States had done that in the Gulf of Mexico oil spill.

[Neil D]

....Or in West Virginia....

[bonnie]

I thought it was awesome to see how they all survived. And that other countries were involved in helping Chile with the best technology they had to offer. Would that the United States had done that in the Gulf of Mexico oil spill.

The president of Chile acted like a president.He is the one that put out a call for help,other nations best and brightest to work to getting these men out alive

[nuff sed]

The mine is located in the north region of Chile in the area known as North Chile Mission as relates to Adventists. I was president of that Mission from 1977-78. I was told that at least one miner is an Adventist. What a wonderful opportunity it would have been to put aside spiritual differences and lend spiritual support to the miners without trying to take credit for "anything". I wish that I had been there.... nuff sed

[phkrause]

The mine is located in the north region of Chile in the area known as North Chile Mission as relates to Adventists. I was president of that Mission from 1977-78.

Cool 'nuff sed