Members rudywoofs (Pam) Posted October 15, 2010 Members Posted October 15, 2010 ...that all of a sudden if one member here feels "pained" by what others have written, that *that* somehow becomes a rallying point for others to start hypocritical commentary on what was written? Sometimes the truth *does* hurt. I don't see anyone defending anyone else's "pain" in this manner. What makes this situation so special? Just wondering. Quote Pam Meddle Not In the Affairs of Dragons; for You Are Crunchy and Taste Good with Ketchup. If we all sang the same note in the choir, there'd never be any harmony. Funny, isn't it, how we accept Grace for ourselves and demand justice for others?
Woody Posted October 15, 2010 Posted October 15, 2010 trouble IS ... it was not truth Quote May we be one so that the world may be won. Christian from the cradle to the grave I believe in Hematology.
Members rudywoofs (Pam) Posted October 15, 2010 Author Members Posted October 15, 2010 You have an "inside" knowledge of what is "truth" and what is *not*??? But that's not my question. My question was why is one person singled out on the forum as having been "pained" by what was written here, when the same is not done for all members.. Quote Pam Meddle Not In the Affairs of Dragons; for You Are Crunchy and Taste Good with Ketchup. If we all sang the same note in the choir, there'd never be any harmony. Funny, isn't it, how we accept Grace for ourselves and demand justice for others?
Woody Posted October 15, 2010 Posted October 15, 2010 I think the Forum often supports those who express hurt. And I find no fault in it. Quote May we be one so that the world may be won. Christian from the cradle to the grave I believe in Hematology.
Members rudywoofs (Pam) Posted October 15, 2010 Author Members Posted October 15, 2010 I do not find it so. I usually see a "buck up and take what's dished out" attitude from those who are now espousing outrage. Quote Pam Meddle Not In the Affairs of Dragons; for You Are Crunchy and Taste Good with Ketchup. If we all sang the same note in the choir, there'd never be any harmony. Funny, isn't it, how we accept Grace for ourselves and demand justice for others?
Woody Posted October 15, 2010 Posted October 15, 2010 I suppose you are right. Wish I was on the accepted list. But, I've noticed you frequently getting support for your pains. You must be "IN". Whoops ... you edited your post. Now mine makes no sense. Oh well ... my posts don't make much sense to the majority here anyways. Quote May we be one so that the world may be won. Christian from the cradle to the grave I believe in Hematology.
Members rudywoofs (Pam) Posted October 15, 2010 Author Members Posted October 15, 2010 I suppose you are right. Wish I was on the accepted list. But, I've noticed you frequently getting support for your pains. You must be "IN". Whoops ... you edited your post. Now mine makes no sense. Oh well ... my posts don't make much sense to the majority here anyways. You ARE on the "accepted" list. I see your topics get volumes of support...just look at your "weeds" and "prayers needed for your wife when she has a flat tire" and "the baby rabbits" and, and, and, and, and...... Most of my topics don't even register with people. Quote Pam Meddle Not In the Affairs of Dragons; for You Are Crunchy and Taste Good with Ketchup. If we all sang the same note in the choir, there'd never be any harmony. Funny, isn't it, how we accept Grace for ourselves and demand justice for others?
Members rudywoofs (Pam) Posted October 15, 2010 Author Members Posted October 15, 2010 But that's okay. I know my place here. Quote Pam Meddle Not In the Affairs of Dragons; for You Are Crunchy and Taste Good with Ketchup. If we all sang the same note in the choir, there'd never be any harmony. Funny, isn't it, how we accept Grace for ourselves and demand justice for others?
Woody Posted October 15, 2010 Posted October 15, 2010 Good Points Pam. Perhaps more people are on the list than we thought. :) Quote May we be one so that the world may be won. Christian from the cradle to the grave I believe in Hematology.
GreatLakesGramma Posted October 15, 2010 Posted October 15, 2010 I don't see anyone defending anyone else's "pain" in this manner. What makes this situation so special? Just wondering. It's simple, Pam. The person whose feelings got hurt is on the same side of the fence as the outraged ones. If you're on the other side, then you get the "buck up and deal with it" talk. Quote Catherine God is the strength of my heart and my portion forever. Psalm 73:26. "To be a Christian means to forgive the inexcusable, because God has forgiven the inexcusable in you." -- C. S. Lewis
Woody Posted October 15, 2010 Posted October 15, 2010 Originally Posted By: rudywoofs I don't see anyone defending anyone else's "pain" in this manner. What makes this situation so special? Just wondering. It's simple, Pam. The person whose feelings got hurt is on the same side of the fence as the outraged ones. If you're on the other side, then you get the "buck up and deal with it" talk. Now we're getting somewhere. Finally someone with clear glasses. You hit the nail on the head GLG. That's it exactly. Support those who are your's. That IS the reality of it. But playing this game causes one to end up with strange bedfellows. For instance ... I am now tied to the hip with Neil. I never thought I would see the day. Quote May we be one so that the world may be won. Christian from the cradle to the grave I believe in Hematology.
Members phkrause Posted October 15, 2010 Members Posted October 15, 2010 For instance ... I am now tied to the hip with Neil. I never thought I would see the day. Woody don't count your chickens before there hatched. Lets go over to the politics threads and get a dose of reality. LOL What this shows me Woody is what I've said all along, that politics really interferes with how people relate to each other. It causes friends to not talk to each other, family members to not support each other, etc. Quote phkrause When the righteous are in authority, the people rejoice; But when a wicked man rules, the people groan. Proverbs 29;2
Members abelisle Posted October 15, 2010 Members Posted October 15, 2010 Since I'm the pained one that this thread is referring to, let me speak about my "pain". My pain is for my friend who I felt was unjustly castigated without any of the outraged voices even knowing him personally. I saw the love for truth trumping any effort to love the person. No matter how wrong we might be, a friend is a friend. I believe in loyalty to my friends. I never asked for sympathy but I guess that's what Christians feel for people they perceive as being hurt? Jesus set the example and we do our best to follow Him. Thank goodness, God loves us all no matter how we see the truth and I still love everyone here no matter how much pain they caused. I thank everyone who realizes how hopeless we all are without God's grace. If Jesus could die for me, I surely can stand up for a friend even if he doesn't abide with the truth as some see it. Thanks Alex Quote We are our worst enemy - sad but true. http://abelisle.blogspot.com
Members phkrause Posted October 15, 2010 Members Posted October 15, 2010 Since I'm the pained one that this thread is referring to, let me speak about my "pain". My pain is for my friend who I felt was unjustly castigated without any of the outraged voices even knowing him personally. I saw the love for truth trumping any effort to love the person. No matter how wrong we might be, a friend is a friend. I believe in loyalty to my friends. I never asked for sympathy but I guess that's what Christians feel for people they perceive as being hurt? Jesus set the example and we do our best to follow Him. Thank goodness, God loves us all no matter how we see the truth and I still love everyone here no matter how much pain they caused. I thank everyone who realizes how hopeless we all are without God's grace. If Jesus could die for me, I surely can stand up for a friend even if he doesn't abide with the truth as some see it. Thanks Alex Good post Alex, I agree with you on that. Even when I have felt that some have come down on me on certain issues I still have held them in high regard and even though I have noticed the opposite from them. I also hope you didn't take my post above as talking for you. Quote phkrause When the righteous are in authority, the people rejoice; But when a wicked man rules, the people groan. Proverbs 29;2
Members rudywoofs (Pam) Posted October 15, 2010 Author Members Posted October 15, 2010 Since I'm the pained one that this thread is referring to, let me speak about my "pain". How do you know to whom I was referring? I made a pointed effort not to mention any names. There are hurting people all over this forum. I want to know why outrage on *their* behalf is not shared. And why are you duplicating posts under different topics? Quote Pam Meddle Not In the Affairs of Dragons; for You Are Crunchy and Taste Good with Ketchup. If we all sang the same note in the choir, there'd never be any harmony. Funny, isn't it, how we accept Grace for ourselves and demand justice for others?
Members rudywoofs (Pam) Posted October 15, 2010 Author Members Posted October 15, 2010 Okay, everyone... I hereby give you back your power to control your own thoughts, feelings, and actions. I hadn't realized you had given it to me. Quote Pam Meddle Not In the Affairs of Dragons; for You Are Crunchy and Taste Good with Ketchup. If we all sang the same note in the choir, there'd never be any harmony. Funny, isn't it, how we accept Grace for ourselves and demand justice for others?
Moderators John317 Posted October 15, 2010 Moderators Posted October 15, 2010 trouble IS ... it was not truth Are people only free to speak "the truth" that everyone agrees is "the truth"? People have a right on this Forum to say what they believe is the truth, and it doesn't have to be tried in a court of law or in a court of one's peers in order to be a legitimate viewpoint to discuss. Neither does it have to be guaranteed that it won't offend anyone or hurt someone's feelings. That is a lot of balloney. I know that as a political conservative you would be opposed to such an idea being applied to your political views. And the truth of God's word is far important than poltitcs, wouldn't you agree? Also, as Pam already mention, we don't see anyone else's feelings being the subject of discussion here. Why not discuss the importance of not hurting the feelings of Pam, Richard Holbrook, Twilight, Stan, myself, and many others? In fact, shouldn't we all be equally concerned with the feelings of every member and of the hundreds of people who come here and read but who never participate? So while it's good to talk about Alex' feelings, I think it's important that everyone else's feelings also be considered seriously in all of our posts. However, this is not a rule we can enforce. It has to come voluntarly from the heart as Christ makes it of flesh and no longer of stone. Let this be a new chapter in the history of Club Adventist Forum. Let's not just pray about it and wish it but do it, no matter what others do or say to us. Love and pray for our enemies (not that anyone has any enemies on Adventist Forum!). To do this we have to forgive and forget. So let's all now forgive and forget the things people have done to us that we have considered wrong. Come to the Forum every day without the baggage of the previous days. Forget what so-and-so did or said. Let's do it for Christ's sake. it will show that we really do love Him and that He's alive. Quote John 3:16-17 For God so loved the world, that he gave his only Son, that whoever believes in him should not perish but have eternal life. [17] For God did not send his Son into the world to condemn the world, but in order that the world might be saved through him.
Members abelisle Posted October 15, 2010 Members Posted October 15, 2010 Let this be a new chapter in the history of Club Adventist Forum. Let's not just pray about it and wish it but do it, no matter what others do or say to us. Love and pray for our enemies, Jesus said, (not that anyone has any enemies on Adventist Forum!). Let it be so and in so doing may God be praised. Alex Quote We are our worst enemy - sad but true. http://abelisle.blogspot.com
Moderators John317 Posted October 16, 2010 Moderators Posted October 16, 2010 I see you like photographs. You're invited to come see some and leave your comments. This invitation is also for the following: Bravus, Tom Wetmore, Teresaq (sda), Neil D, and anyone else who enjoys looking at photographs or paintings. Somehow I have a feeling that describes you and most other humans. lol http://clubadventist.com/forum/ubbthreads.php/forums/370/1/Photos_by_John317.html Quote John 3:16-17 For God so loved the world, that he gave his only Son, that whoever believes in him should not perish but have eternal life. [17] For God did not send his Son into the world to condemn the world, but in order that the world might be saved through him.
Dottie Posted October 16, 2010 Posted October 16, 2010 All of the above would explain why I rarely voice my opinions, especially on topics about which others have strong opinions. . . Quote
Members phkrause Posted October 16, 2010 Members Posted October 16, 2010 All of the above would explain why I rarely voice my opinions, especially on topics about which others have strong opinions. . . Good point Dottie Quote phkrause When the righteous are in authority, the people rejoice; But when a wicked man rules, the people groan. Proverbs 29;2
olger Posted October 16, 2010 Posted October 16, 2010 I don't know what this thread is about, but I suspect it has to do with the temporary triumph of darkness over light. "Be not deceived; God is not mocked: for whatsoever a man soweth, that shall he also reap. For he that soweth to his flesh shall of the flesh reap corruption; but he that soweth to the Spirit shall of the Spirit reap life everlasting. And let us not be weary in well doing: for in due season we shall reap, if we faint not." Quote "Please don't feed the drama queens.."
Members rudywoofs (Pam) Posted October 16, 2010 Author Members Posted October 16, 2010 Really, everyone, I was only wondering why we pick and choose whose feelings we care about. That said, I think it is also incumbent on someone with knowledge to point out danger if it is seen. Does a friend let another friend drink poison just because it looks good and inviting? I don't intend to go on and on about this. I know what I know about witchcraft and Wicca because I've been there, done that for many years. I try to share the dangers of the occult with you when I perceive something to be a potential problem. I can't make anyone accept what I say as "truth." People will believe what they want to believe. p.s. In no way was I trying to vilify anyone here on the forum or anyone's friends. But I don't need to accept as good and virtuous any actions which I feel are contrary to my knowledge of occultic powers. Quote Pam Meddle Not In the Affairs of Dragons; for You Are Crunchy and Taste Good with Ketchup. If we all sang the same note in the choir, there'd never be any harmony. Funny, isn't it, how we accept Grace for ourselves and demand justice for others?
Moderators John317 Posted October 16, 2010 Moderators Posted October 16, 2010 You are right, Pam. Quote John 3:16-17 For God so loved the world, that he gave his only Son, that whoever believes in him should not perish but have eternal life. [17] For God did not send his Son into the world to condemn the world, but in order that the world might be saved through him.
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