Forget 144,000 out of 7 million - will there be *anyone* left?

[Bravus]

OK, so apparently everyone but recent creationists should leave or be booted out of the SDA church. Now we have a thread that seems to say everyone but vegans should too. Recent threads seem to suggest anyone who consumes any secular media at all is in trouble in terms of fellowship.

It goes on and on. Like Shane, I read Jesus sending us out into the highways and byways to compel them to come *in*. I don't read him telling us to so finely divide doctrine that no-one (with the possible exception of those doing the dividing, but I'm sure the One who knows all knows of their own secret sins too) can remain in SDA fellowship/membership.

The church is a hospital for sinners, and we all have different ailments. By God's grace we're all getting better... but

How dare the patients with broken legs tell the cancer patients they don't belong in the hospital, and should leave and get well before they can come to hospital!

[Gerr]

OK, so apparently everyone but recent creationists should leave or be booted out of the SDA church. Now we have a thread that seems to say everyone but vegans should too. Recent threads seem to suggest anyone who consumes any secular media at all is in trouble in terms of fellowship.

It goes on and on. Like Shane, I read Jesus sending us out into the highways and byways to compel them to come *in*. I don't read him telling us to so finely divide doctrine that no-one (with the possible exception of those doing the dividing, but I'm sure the One who knows all knows of their own secret sins too) can remain in SDA fellowship/membership.

The church is a hospital for sinners, and we all have different ailments. By God's grace we're all getting better... but

How dare the patients with broken legs tell the cancer patients they don't belong in the hospital, and should leave and get well before they can come to hospital!

[doug yowell]

The church is a hospital for sinners, and we all have different ailments. By God's grace we're all getting better... but

[color:#3366FF][size:14pt]How dare the patients with broken legs tell the cancer patients they don't belong in the hospital, and should leave and get well before they can come to hospital!

I've always been led to believe that the church was the recovery room for those who had already been healed not a place where patients were always waiting for the doctor to show up with a diagnosis.The patient who keeps telling everyone that his bone cancer is no immediate cause for concern has no reason to stay in the hospital.If you're going to the hospital to get healed why not follow the hospital regulations,and the staff's prognosis rather than insisting on making up your own.The church is not supposed to be the Pool of Bethesda.

[bonnie]

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OK, so apparently everyone but recent creationists should leave or be booted out of the SDA church. Now we have a thread that seems to say everyone but vegans should too. Recent threads seem to suggest anyone who consumes any secular media at all is in trouble in terms of fellowship.

That is not what the OP in the thread you are referring to said. His question clearly stated he was speaking of a offshoot of the SDA denomination. No SDA church that I know of makes that kind of demand or meat eating a test of fellowship.

I was then introduced to the Seventh Day Adventist Reform Movement. For those who have not heard of them, they are an offshoot from the Seventh Day Adventist Church. They are also known as the International Missionary Society (IMS). I was considering being baptized into the church but have trouble with that fact that one condition of baptizm is vegetarianism.

It is very easy tho to use beliefs of offshoots to tar a entire denomination

[Gordon1]

Doug - Nor do I see God's Church as a hospital for invalids. I'm not sure where this popular notion arose but we hear it everywhere. This attitude teaches dependence upon human strength (like AA) instead of victory over sin through Christ Jesus.

Satan manufactures victims, God makes men overcomers by re-Creation.

[Tom Wetmore]

Maybe it was because the One we follow said the healthy do not need a doctor and that he came to seek out and save the lost. Also he said to bring them all in because there is plenty of room in his house. Then there is the admonition to leave the weeds alone to grow with the wheat so as not to uproot the tender shoots before they have a chance.

[Tom Wetmore]

Doug,

Where do the sick go to get healed? Do all ills have the same recovery time and rehab plan? Have you considerd that some you might consider sick are really on the long road to recovery?

As for the Pool of Bethesda, Jesus went there when nobody else would. Why? Because that is where he went on Sabbath to find the sick to heal.

[Gordon1]

Christ sent His disciples well-equipped.

"And when he had called unto him his twelve disciples, he gave them power against unclean spirits, to cast them out, and to heal all manner of sickness and all manner of disease." Matthew 10:1.

[Gail]

OK, so apparently everyone but recent creationists should leave or be booted out of the SDA church. Now we have a thread that seems to say everyone but vegans should too. Recent threads seem to suggest anyone who consumes any secular media at all is in trouble in terms of fellowship.

It goes on and on. Like Shane, I read Jesus sending us out into the highways and byways to compel them to come *in*. I don't read him telling us to so finely divide doctrine that no-one (with the possible exception of those doing the dividing, but I'm sure the One who knows all knows of their own secret sins too) can remain in SDA fellowship/membership.

Yes, where does it end? I've seen it end with the judger taking him/herself out of the church, faith destroyed.

[remnant]

144,000 has nothing to do with the gentiles. There will be more than you can count making it and vice versa.

[lazarus]

Doug - Nor do I see God's Church as a hospital for invalids. I'm not sure where this popular notion arose but we hear it everywhere. This attitude teaches dependence upon human strength (like AA) instead of victory over sin through Christ Jesus.

Satan manufactures victims, God makes men overcomers by re-Creation.

Well...... there was this man called Jesus.........

Luke 9:10 Now it happened, as Jesus sat at the table in the house, that behold, many tax collectors and sinners came and sat down with Him and His disciples. 11; And when the Pharisees saw it, they said to His disciples, “Why does your Teacher eat with tax collectors and;sinners?”

12. When Jesus heard that, He said to them, “Those who are well have no need of a physician, but those who are sick. 13. But go and learn what this means: ‘I desire mercy and not sacrifice.’ For I did not come to call the righteous, but sinners, & ;to repentance.”

Note Jesus said " go and learn what this means"

[doug yowell]

Doug,

Where do the sick go to get healed? Do all ills have the same recovery time and rehab plan? Have you considerd that some you might consider sick are really on the long road to recovery?

As for the Pool of Bethesda, Jesus went there when nobody else would. Why? Because that is where he went on Sabbath to find the sick to heal.

I've got no problem with different rehab schedules,ect...if we're sticking to the instructions of the physician.As for the pool of Bethesda, it should be noted that the sick man didn't go to the Pool as a healed man to hang out with all the other healed folks,and after Jesus healed the sick man He told him to get out of there.Oddly,he ended up at church with an incredible testimony,and no apparent side effects.

[Taylor]

Originally Posted By: Gordon1

Doug - Nor do I see God's Church as a hospital for invalids. I'm not sure where this popular notion arose but we hear it everywhere. This attitude teaches dependence upon human strength (like AA) instead of victory over sin through Christ Jesus.

Satan manufactures victims, God makes men overcomers by re-Creation.

Well...... there was this man called Jesus.........

Luke 9:10 Now it happened, as Jesus sat at the table in the house, that behold, many tax collectors and sinners came and sat down with Him and His disciples. 11; And when the Pharisees saw it, they said to His disciples, “Why does your Teacher eat with tax collectors and;sinners?”

12. When Jesus heard that, He said to them, “Those who are well have no need of a physician, but those who are sick. 13. But go and learn what this means: ‘I desire mercy and not sacrifice.’ For I did not come to call the righteous, but sinners, & ;to repentance.”

Note Jesus said " go and learn what this means"

Amen!!

[doug yowell]

[Well...... there was this man called Jesus.........

Luke 9:10 Now it happened, as Jesus sat at the table in the house, that behold, many tax collectors and sinners came and sat down with Him and His disciples. 11; And when the Pharisees saw it, they said to His disciples, “Why does your Teacher eat with tax collectors and;sinners?”

12. When Jesus heard that, He said to them, “Those who are well have no need of a physician, but those who are sick. 13. But go and learn what this means: ‘I desire mercy and not sacrifice.’ For I did not come to call the righteous, but sinners, & ;to repentance.”

Note Jesus said " go and learn what this means"

Amen!!