Is Hell Hot Enough?

[Dr. Shane]

Elizabeth Smart Storms From Courtroom

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Whitehead said Smart had been chastised by Mitchell and Barzee for not wanting to have children.

"Mr. Mitchell was talking with Miss Smart about having babies to the point where Miss Smart actually picked out a name in case that happened," Whitehead testified...

Smart was 14 when she was abducted from her home at knifepoint on June 5, 2002. She was recovered nine months later disguised in wig and sunglasses and walking a suburban Salt Lake City street with Mitchell.

Now 23, Smart has testified that she was forced to enter a polygamous marriage with Mitchell, endured near daily rapes, was forced to use drugs and alcohol, and was taken to California against her will.

Since God is a just and compassionate God, I trust the fires of hell will be just the right temperature. If only people would repent, only the demons would burn but sadly they won't be alone.

[John317]

I agree with that. Talk about evil.

[rudywoofs (Pam)]

I don't know. I think Mitchell is psychotic. Consider:

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Brian David Mitchell:

Brian David Mitchell is the self proclaimed angel from heaven that was sent to Earth to serve the destitute and correct the Mormon Church by restoring its fundamental values. He is also the man, along with his wife Wanda Barzee, who is accused of kidnapping the then 14-year-old Elizabeth Smart and holding her captive for nine months.

Beginnings:

Brian David Mitchell was born October 18, 1953 in Salt Lake City, Utah. He was the third of six children born at home to Mormon parents Irene and Shirl Mitchell. Irene, a schoolteacher, and Shirl, a social worker, were vegetarians and raised their children on a regular diet of whole wheat bread and steamed vegetables. The family was described by neighbors as being odd but decent people.

Mitchell's Childhood Years:

Brian Mitchell seemed like a normal child, involved in the cub scouts and Little League. Irene was a caring mother but Shril, by his own admission had a questionable perspective on healthy child rearing. When Brian was eight Shirl attempted to teach him about sex by showing him sexually explicit pictures in a medical journal. Other sexually oriented books were brought into the home and left within reach of the latchkey kid who had plenty of free time on his hands.

Brian Mitchell Begins to Isolate:

Shrill once attempted to teach his son a few lessons in life by dropping the 12 year-old Mitchell off in an unfamiliar area of town, instructing him to find his way home. As Brian got older, he became more argumentative with his parents and began to retreat into a world of isolation. He was quickly becoming the black sheep of the family.

Mitchell Exposes Himself to a Child:

Around the age of 16, Brian was found guilty of exposing himself to a child and sent to a juvenile delinquents hall. The stigma attached to his crime alienated Brian among his peers. Arguments between Brian and especially his mother were constant. The decision was made to send Brian to live with his grandmother. Not long after the move, Brian dropped out of school and began using drugs and alcohol on a regular basis.

Mitchell's First Marriage:

Brian left Utah at 19 and soon married 16-year-old Karen Minor after she discovered she was pregnant. They had two children within the two years that they stayed together: son Travis and daughter Angela. Their stormy relationship ended and Mitchell gained custody of the children because of Karen's alleged infidelities and drug abuse. When Karen remarried she regained legal custody of the children, but Mitchell took off with them to New Hampshire to prevent them from returning to their mother.

Mitchell Cleans Up His Act:

In 1980 Mitchell's life changed after his brother returned from a religious mission and the two began to talk. Brian discontinued his drug and alcohol use and became active in the Latter Day Saints church. By 1981 he was married to his second wife, Debbie Mitchell, who had three daughters from a previous marriage. With Debbie's three children and Brian's two children, the Mitchell's had their hands full, but that did not stop the couple from having two more children soon after their marriage.

Mitchell's Abuse in His Second Marriage:

It did not take long for the marriage to show signs of strain and Brian's two children were sent to foster homes. Debbie claimed that Mitchell turned from gentle to controlling and abusive, dictating what she could wear and eat and purposely tried to frighten her. His interest in Satan disturbed her, although Mitchell claimed he was learning about his enemy. Mitchell filed for divorce in 1984 claiming Debbie was violent and cruel to his children and feared that she was turning them against him.

Accusations of Sexual Abuse:

Within a year of their separation, Debbie called authorities to report her concerns that Mitchell may have sexually abused their 3-year-old son. A caseworker for the Division of Child and Family Services could not directly link Mitchell to sexual abuse but recommended that future visits with the boy and Mitchell be supervised. Within the year Debbie's daughter accused Mitchell of sexually abusing her for four years. Debbie reported the abuse to the LDS leaders but was advised to drop it.

Mitchell and Barzee Marry:

On the same day that Mitchell and Debbie divorced, Mitchell married Wanda Barzee. Barzee was a 40-year-old divorcee with six children, who she left with her ex-husband when she left the marriage. Barzee's family was accepting of 32-year-old Mitchell although they found him to be strange. After their marriage, a few of Barzee's children moved in with the newlyweds but found their new home to be increasingly strange and threatening because of Mitchell's eccentric behavior.

Abuse and Strange Behavior Concerns Family: Outsiders viewed the couple as normal hard-working Mormons. Mitchell was working as a die cutter and was actively involved with the LDS church. But close family and friends were aware of his tendency toward rage often unleashed on Barzee. He was becoming increasingly extreme both in his religious views and his interaction with fellow LDS members. Even his portrayal of Satan during temple rituals had become too extreme to the point where he was asked by the elders to tone it down.

Speaking to Angels: One night the Mitchell's woke one of Barzee's sons and told him they just spoke to angels. The Mitchell home began to change drastically after that, so much so that Barzee's children, unable to take the constant proselytizing, moved away. By the 1990s Mitchell changed his name to Emmanuel, discontinued his association with the church, and presented himself to others as a prophet of God whose beliefs were etched out by his prophetic visions.

Emmanuel and Wife God Adorneth: When the couple returned to Salt Lake City Mitchell had taken on a Jesus-like look with a long beard and clad in his white robe. Barzee, now calling herself "God Adorneth," stayed by his side like a dotting disciple and the two were regular fixtures along the downtown streets. Families of the couple had little to do with them and old friends who happened upon them were treated as strangers with a panhandlers greeting and an extended hand.

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[Gail]

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[Gerr]

Would you like hell to be forever and ever and ever and ever?

[rudywoofs (Pam)]

Would you like hell to be forever and ever and ever and ever?

I wouldn't. My great grandfather's big toe is still in purgatory, according to the last pronouncement by a priest. We're trying to rectify that, however. My cousin sent the local diocese a check (the cost to get that toe out of the fire was less than a dollar), but the diocese sent it back. We're appealing to higher authorities now.

[Dr. Shane]

Would you like hell to be forever and ever and ever and ever?

Being the sinful and erring type of person that I am, I have learned not to value my own opinions much on such issue and to leave vengeance unto the Lord.

I don't know if this poor sap should be given the death penalty here or not. I leave that to the judge and jury. And I trust God to determine his ultimate fate.

A few years ago, in Brownsville, Texas, just a few miles from my home, a couple chopped their kids up with a meat cleaver. They killed them one at a time and made love to each other after each murder. People like that are just so far gone I can't grasp it.

[phkrause]

A few years ago, in Brownsville, Texas, just a few miles from my home, a couple chopped their kids up with a meat cleaver. They killed them one at a time and made love to each other after each murder. People like that are just so far gone I can't grasp it.

Now that's pretty sick. I would believe that most of us would be calling for the death penalty, because people like that could definitely not be turned around "ever". But my Bible say's anything is possible with God.

[Dr. Shane]

Here is a link to the story but it is pretty graphic so beware:

Intimate Violence Deaths in the News

They were high from huffing glue and paint when they did it.