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Originally Posted By: olger
Ah, yes. You are/were a McClaren disciple... I got that. That's your choice and it makes me tremble for you. Seriously

What is your opinion of Doug Pagitt; and what is your opinion of Samir Selmanovic?

g

What are you talking about?

I'm a McClaren disciple? I know you have no evidence of that. Why do you need to lie like that? Your time in Baltimore didn't do much for your spirituality it seems.

So rather than deal with the issue that I raised you chose to attack me personally. Why?

I guess its rather obvious, I suppose.

Hey Laz. Last time we spoke you were defending McClaren's book. Wasn't he the author that you quoted regarding his comments on the Amish? Maybe disciple is too strong a word. Stay cool nonetheless. :)

g

"Please don't feed the drama queens.."

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Now Laz, what is your opinion of Samir Selmanovic?

thx,

g

"Please don't feed the drama queens.."

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Herbert Douglass (talked about the emerging church apostasy)

I'm sure those talks must be recorded. Do you know how we can get copies? I'd especially like to hear Herbert Douglass on the emerging church apostasy.

John 3:16-17

For God so loved the world, that he gave his only Son, that whoever believes in him should not perish but have eternal life. [17] For God did not send his Son into the world to condemn the world, but in order that the world might be saved through him.

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Accusing someone of "lying" and questioning their "spirituality????" Seems like a pretty good lie to me considering the great testimony given by Olger...I have never seen a testimony by you on this forum...

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"People [rarely] see...the bright light which is in the clouds..." (Job 37:21)

"I cannot know why suddenly the storm

should rage so fiercely round me in it's wrath

But this I know: God watches all my path

And I can trust"

"God helps us to draw strength from the storm" - Overaged

Faith makes things possible; it does not make them easy, Steps To Christ

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Hey Laz. Last time we spoke you were defending McClaren's book. Wasn't he the author that you quoted regarding his comments on the Amish? Maybe disciple is too strong a word. Stay cool nonetheless. :)

Tom actually put your quotes in context which gave a clearer and more balanced meaning to McClaren's words. You might be confused about who was saying what.

My point is this; there is nothing wrong with being critical of this or that movement but let it be substantive and based on clear evidence. The nature of your previous criticism of McClaren's book was shown to be a result of taking his words out of context. You said "more later" in response to Tom and I. There was no more later.

Here we are again with a wholesale condemnation and I think caricature of the Emerging church movement.

Your response is to accuse me of being a disciple and then say you "tremble" for me. Whats up with that?

Let me re-post what Gail said

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On Friday I was speaking with one of our Conference people and he said that he had found a book on this type of spirituality that read very similarly to Thoughts from the Mount of Blessing. He did not detect any of the signs that the "anti" books were warning against.

I would love to hear more examples that show a balanced view of what is good about it. I just can't believe that our pastors would support a Eucharistic Christ or meditation trances.

Most pastors would not accept a Eucharistic Christ or meditation trances. Again people take the most extreme examples and brand the movement using the most extreme examples. Many of the books I have read and ideas I have used from the merging church movement have been biblical and are supported by the writings of EGW.

Here are some of the so called Emerging church books I read in 2010.

Come back churches

The Present Future

House United

Breaking the Missional Code

The Externally Focused church

Break-out churches

I don't agree with everything in these books but the same can be said for the SDA books I have read.

Great spirits have always found violent opposition from mediocrities. The latter cannot understand it when a man does not thoughtlessly submit to hereditary prejudices but honestly and courageously uses his intelligence.

Einstein

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Accusing someone of "lying" and questioning their "spirituality????"

Let me put it plainly. Don't accuse me of being something without evidence simply as a way of not discussing the topic. Why make stuff up?

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Seems like a pretty good lie to me considering the great testimony given by Olger

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...I have never seen a testimony by you on this forum...

I'd love to hear from you what this tells you about me. You can post it openly or pm me if you would like.

Great spirits have always found violent opposition from mediocrities. The latter cannot understand it when a man does not thoughtlessly submit to hereditary prejudices but honestly and courageously uses his intelligence.

Einstein

Posted

You have already given the answer

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"People [rarely] see...the bright light which is in the clouds..." (Job 37:21)

"I cannot know why suddenly the storm

should rage so fiercely round me in it's wrath

But this I know: God watches all my path

And I can trust"

"God helps us to draw strength from the storm" - Overaged

Faith makes things possible; it does not make them easy, Steps To Christ

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Great spirits have always found violent opposition from mediocrities. The latter cannot understand it when a man does not thoughtlessly submit to hereditary prejudices but honestly and courageously uses his intelligence.

Einstein

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I have to second that Laz. Not sure what is being said or meant either.

phkrause

When the righteous are in authority, the people rejoice; But when a wicked man rules, the people groan. Proverbs 29;2
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Originally Posted By: lazarus
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I have to second that Laz. Not sure what is being said or meant either.

Even if you never figure it, you will be alright...But it is in response to his question to me at the end of his post #419101 of this topic.

"People [rarely] see...the bright light which is in the clouds..." (Job 37:21)

"I cannot know why suddenly the storm

should rage so fiercely round me in it's wrath

But this I know: God watches all my path

And I can trust"

"God helps us to draw strength from the storm" - Overaged

Faith makes things possible; it does not make them easy, Steps To Christ

Posted

quote=Overaged]Accusing someone of "lying" and questioning their "spirituality????"quote]

Let me put it plainly. Don't accuse me of being something without evidence simply as a way of not discussing the topic. Why make stuff up?

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Seems like a pretty good lie to me considering the great testimony given by Olger /quote]

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quote]...I have never seen a testimony by you on this forum... /quote]

I'd love to hear from you what this tells you about me. You can post it openly or pm me if you would like.

Put it as "plain" as you want; two can play the plain game.

What are you talking about?

Don't accuse me of "making stuff up" again. That's not on my list of things to do. Apparently, you speak this way so freely to people, you can't even keep track of what comes out of your own mouth.

"People [rarely] see...the bright light which is in the clouds..." (Job 37:21)

"I cannot know why suddenly the storm

should rage so fiercely round me in it's wrath

But this I know: God watches all my path

And I can trust"

"God helps us to draw strength from the storm" - Overaged

Faith makes things possible; it does not make them easy, Steps To Christ

Posted

Originally Posted By: olger
Herbert Douglass (talked about the emerging church apostasy)

I'm sure those talks must be recorded. Do you know how we can get copies? I'd especially like to hear Herbert Douglass on the emerging church apostasy.

Hi John, bless you. The meetings were recorded at Audioverse. Herb is a dear man, who is legitimately concerned with the "Omega" emerging church deceptions.

Hearts and lives are being swallowed up with these errors, and at the same time people are repenting and turning back to God from the broken cisterns of the world.

g

"Please don't feed the drama queens.."

Posted

"People [rarely] see...the bright light which is in the clouds..." (Job 37:21)

"I cannot know why suddenly the storm

should rage so fiercely round me in it's wrath

But this I know: God watches all my path

And I can trust"

"God helps us to draw strength from the storm" - Overaged

Faith makes things possible; it does not make them easy, Steps To Christ

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Quote:
Don't accuse me of "making stuff up" again. That's not on my list of things to do.

Errrr.

Dude, you really didn't understand what I was saying. I'm not saying Olger is accusing me of making stuff. I'm saying he is making stuff up!!!

"That's not not in my list of things to do" ??????

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Apparently, you speak this way so freely to people, you can't even keep track of what comes out of your own mouth.

Nope, people who know me know that is not true.......give it up.

Wow, even Olger has let it go. A dunces hat, really?

Great spirits have always found violent opposition from mediocrities. The latter cannot understand it when a man does not thoughtlessly submit to hereditary prejudices but honestly and courageously uses his intelligence.

Einstein

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Don't accuse me of "making stuff up" again. That's not on my list of things to do.

Errrr.

Dude, you really didn't understand what I was saying. I'm not saying Olger is accusing me of making stuff. I'm saying he is making stuff up!!!

I didn't say that's what you were saying. Do you even read everything in a post? All I did was say you were criticising his spirtuality; and you are still playing like you don't know what I am talking about? If the hat fits, wear it "dude."

Olger - my apologies. I doubt that you intended for this thread to go here. I'll shut up now.

"People [rarely] see...the bright light which is in the clouds..." (Job 37:21)

"I cannot know why suddenly the storm

should rage so fiercely round me in it's wrath

But this I know: God watches all my path

And I can trust"

"God helps us to draw strength from the storm" - Overaged

Faith makes things possible; it does not make them easy, Steps To Christ

Posted

It's ok OA. There will always be those who defend error.

I appreciate your desire to remain faithful to truth.

The emerging church mysticism has been revealed as a virulent deception, and those of us who care about truth can stay away from it. Like you I share a concern that pastors who are feeding on it will export the stuff to their people.

I'd like to end with some good news "Truth is stronger than error, and right will prevail over wrong."

gcw

"Please don't feed the drama queens.."

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