BREAKING NEWS - KING JAMES VERSION

[Stan]

Mark Knellner, a forum member and good friend has had another article published in the Washington Times, right now it is the 2nd most read article, lets take it home to be NUMBER 1

Nice article about the King James Version.

http://www.washingtontimes.com/news/2010/dec/29/king-james-bibles-400-year-reign/?page=1

[Dr. Shane]

I posted it on my FB.

[Stan]

Great, thanks....

[John317]

Great article. I love the KJV-- my favorite English translation, although I do use many others.

[phkrause]

I guess I am a rebel , I just don't like it that much.

But I did like the article very much.

[Bravus]

Very nice work on Mark's part and a thoroughly enjoyable article.

Here's a link to my blog post about Dawkins' discussion of the KJV, which in turn links to his article: http://www.bravus.com/blog/?p=2182

Will be linking Mark's article in the comments section of that blog post.

[Dr. Shane]

I love reading the book of Job from the KJV. It is a masterpiece of poetry.

[John317]

What's your favorite translation, pk?

[Gail]

I think that for pk, English is his second language. I can understand why the King James Version would be difficult for him.

Last night I watched a DVD on the history of the KJV, very good, called, "KJV- The Making of the King James Bible". It was an informative look into the politics of the time and the environment that birthed the version. I did not know that the Puritans preferred the Geneva Bible (because they were against government and the Geneva Bible tends to refer to kings as "tyrants"), or that if Guy Fawkes' plot to blow up the Parliament would have succeeded then a Catholic monarch would have been placed on the throne and the KJV project would have been axed.

[phkrause]

What's your favorite translation, pk?

I actually like most other versions John. But I prefer the Complete Jewish Bible, the one online which is the OT only, since its translated by Jewish scholars (and they don't except the NT). And the one translated by David Stern, which is the O&NTs. I really love those.

[Gail]

pk, I have a Jewish NT by Stern, but have never really delved into it. Why do you enjoy it so much?

With your endorsement I might just take a second look!

[phkrause]

Its written for Jews and Christians, and of course anyone one else who wants to read it. It has many other things in it to explain why it was written and many other things. One of the things Jews dislike about the KJV and other versions is that they are translated from the Greek Bible and not directly from the Hebrew. At least this is what I read on the Jewish websites. Whereas the two Complete Jewish Bibles are translated directly from the Hebrew for the OT and the Greek for the NT. They come from a different perspective.

[John317]

Yes, I have the David Stern translation too. I like it. It is very interesting. I notice that Stern believes that 1 Cor. 16: 2 is talking about Saturday night after the Sun went down on Sabbath evening, the Corinthians were to examine their finances and decide what to give for the offering. I believe the same thing. The Sabbath was not viewed as a good time to look into matters of business.

Stern's introduction to the Complete Jewish Bible is also very interesting.

[John317]

.. One of the things Jews dislike about the KJV and other versions is that they are translated from the Greek Bible and not directly from the Hebrew. At least this is what I read on the Jewish websites.

Actually, the KJV was translated from the Hebrew in the OT and the Greek in the NT. But the KJV translators also compared it to the old Latin and to some of the older translations. But they followed the Hebrew in the OT and the Greek in the NT. They used the same Greek text, the Erasmus text, which Luther used to make his German translation. Most of the NT in the KJV is the work of William Tyndale.

By the way, the Jewish Publication Society's translation prior to the current one was almost the same as the KJV. Stern mentions this fact in his Introduction to the Complete Jewish Bible.

[phkrause]

Actually, the KJV was translated from the Hebrew in the OT and the Greek in the NT. But the KJV translators also compared it to the old Latin and to some of the older translations. But they followed the Hebrew in the OT and the Greek in the NT. They used the same Greek text, the Erasmus text, which Luther used to make his German translation. Most of the NT in the KJV is the work of William Tyndale.

By the way, the Jewish Publication Society's translation prior to the current one was almost the same as the KJV. Stern mentions this fact in his Introduction to the Complete Jewish Bible.

Problem is you have to convince the Jews of this. I go to this Jewish website and they don't believe that. If you are correct, which I don't see why not, than why do they believe that Christians are lying and changing the translation to suit themselves. When I get a chance I'll copy & paste some of there statements on the subject.

[John317]

Yes, I would like to see them some time. I would be interested to see what specific verses or passages in the KJV they object to. Perhaps Daniel 9: 24-27 and other Messianic prophecies?

Have you read anything from the Jewish Publication Society's translation, published in 1917, 1945, 1955? As I say, it says that it was translated from the Masoretic Text, and it reads very much like the KJV. This JPS edition is one that was often used in Jewish synagogues. It probably still is used, although it's being replaced by the a new translation.

I really enjoy the most recent JPS translation, which came out about 1985.

Here's a site that describes the manuscript basis for the translation of the KJV:

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Authorized_King_James_Version

It includes this well-attested observation in regard to the KJV:

Quote:

In common with most other translations of the period, the New Testament was translated from Greek, the Old Testament was translated from Hebrew text, while the Apocrypha were translated from the Greek and Latin.

[MariaS]

I have read about King James sometimes ago and eversince I used KJV.

BTW, I manage to load all EGW books and her devotional books on my iPad yesterday. I was so happy..now I dont miss my esword anymore.