So what is it?

[Stan]

If you have read the 'stuff' about C/A

We are both overrun

by Liberals

and

by Conservatives..

SO which is it?

[Woody]

What about the PCers who claim neither one?

[Guest]

If you have read the 'stuff' about C/A

We are both overrun

by Liberals

and

by Conservatives..

SO which is it?

That just means that this is the happy place where Liberals and Conservatives come to work out their differences.

[Woody]

Quote:

That just means that this is the happy place where Liberals and Conservatives come to work out their differences.

what differences?

[phkrause]

what differences?

LOL, I didn't think so either.

[Gail]

Why the fuss? I like both liberals and conservatives!

[John317]

If we can't love people with whom we have disagreements, we won't be in heaven. I'm sure that even in heaven everyone will not agree about everything, but everyone will be agreeable and loving.

[John317]

I refuse to think of SDAs as liberal/ conservatives. For me, all SDAs are simply that, SDAs. I may disagree with them on some issues, but that doesn't mean I put them in a different catagory from myself. I think when we start putting people in those various catgories, we feed the "us vs. them" spirit, which is harmful to the church. It causes people to say such things as, "I consider you a friend even though you're a liberal," etc. Or, "The reason we don't get along is that he's a conservative and I'm a liberal."

We've all seen situations on the Forum where people will "gang up" on someone or even want to see them booted from the Forum simply because they are viewed as being in one of those opposing categories. These are things that Satan uses to attack and divide the church.

[Guest]

I agree John, and even though Satan is a liberal, all liberals are not Satan....right?

[Gail]

Satan is also very much a conservative. I call him a hard taskmaster!

[Guest]

He does tend to conserve on mercy.

[Woody]

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even though Satan is a conservative, all conservatives are not Satan

I have to agree with this now that I paraphrased it slightly.

The modified part certainly makes it true. For Jesus spoke love and forgiveness. It was Satan who spoke about the law and obedience.

[Gail]

Should I bite? Nah...

:)

[Woody]

Should I bite? Nah...

If you want some pizza and OJ ... come on over.

I might even throw in some donuts also.

[Gail]

Thanks for the invite! I just might take you up on it... but not until you're done with the old orange juice.

Love you anyway!!

[Bravus]

Seems to me that if you're being attacked from both directions it means you're somewhere in the middle, which is a very healthy place for a discussion forum to be. Among other things it means those of us who participate here are not stuck in like-minded echo chambers where we only hear from those who agree with us about everything - which is very good for us (me!).

Kudos to Stan for running a most excellent forum.

[TreeOfLife]

I refuse to think of SDAs as liberal/ conservatives. For me, all SDAs are simply that, SDAs. I may disagree with them on some issues, but that doesn't mean I put them in a different category from myself. I think when we start putting people in those various categories, we feed the "us vs. them" spirit, which is harmful to the church. It causes people to say such things as, "I consider you a friend even though you're a liberal," etc. Or, "The reason we don't get along is that he's a conservative and I'm a liberal."

We've all seen situations on the Forum where people will "gang up" on someone or even want to see them booted from the Forum simply because they are viewed as being in one of those opposing categories. These are things that Satan uses to attack and divide the church.

Yes, I agree very much, most any label we may use to stick on someone tends to separate us from them and to deter from a real healthy and living relationship...

Yes, most every such label tends to feed the "us vs. them" spirit and the consequent controversies! Not to speak about mob behavior and outright mobbing... As in "holy war" or as in "the rest of US" vs. "the several million political prisoners within the US prison systems..." many among whom are there merely because they dare to stand up for that all American freedom that we all pay lip service to...

Tree of Life ©

[LifeHiscost]

"the several million political prisoners within the US prison systems..." many among whom are there merely because they dare to stand up for that all American freedom that we all pay lip service to..."

Tree of Life ©

Anyone who believes the above deserves a sentence of five years in any one of a number of countries that I will not name, for the sake of political correctness.

When somewhat younger and more naive (stupid?) and the military draft was still law, I joined a military branch, myself having the idea that three years of volunteering would be far preferable to two years of the draft I didn't choose.

Needless to say I spent the next three years eating crow, of which I hated the taste thereof. Finally being released after the allotted minimum of time, I had a new perspective of where it was best to serve my country.

Many of us/them make conclusions that are based largely on untried perceptions in the real world. What a relief it is when we can make the best choice we "know" is available to us, and then find the God we choose to worship, fully capable of getting us out of the mess we got ourselves into if we but admit that we're not as smart as we thought we were before the roof caved in.

"...if you have trapped yourself by your agreement

and are caught by what you said—

follow my advice and save yourself,

for you have placed yourself at your friend’s mercy.

Now swallow your pride;

go and beg to have your name erased.

Don’t put it off; do it now!

Don’t rest until you do.

Save yourself like a gazelle escaping from a hunter,

like a bird fleeing from a net."Prov 6:2-5 NLT

I believe this is in the context of making one's self responsible for someone else's indebtedness, but I'm satisfied it can be applied to anything we allow our mouth to get us into that we are willing to admit we made a mistake.

God blesses!

[bonnie]

Do I dare ask where this comes from. Proof we are holding millions of americans in prison for speaking out

Yes, most every such label tends to feed the "us vs. them" spirit and the consequent controversies! Not to speak about mob behavior and outright mobbing... As in "holy war" or as in "the rest of US" vs. "the several million political prisoners within the US prison systems..." many among whom are there merely because they dare to stand up for that all American freedom that we all pay lip service to...

[Overaged]

Satan is "conservative" whenever it suits his purposes.

[Overaged]

Ha! ha! I agree with everything you just said Bravus! I believe that would be a CLUB ADVENTIST FIRST