Was Jesus a "Human Sacrifice"

[Overaged]

I don't call my rationalizing evidence. I call it reasoning. And I wish you would address the ideas instead of this generalized rant.

I generally post references and instead of addressing the references most of you, with the exception of Tom, Bravus, and few others, either attack the author or myself.

Don't be so fast to have a pity party because you cannot sway others to your anecdotal theorizings.

[cardw]

Originally Posted By: cardw

I don't call my rationalizing evidence. I call it reasoning. And I wish you would address the ideas instead of this generalized rant.

I generally post references and instead of addressing the references most of you, with the exception of Tom, Bravus, and few others, either attack the author or myself.

Don't be so fast to have a pity party because you cannot sway others to your anecdotal theorizings.

I'm not looking for pity. It was an observation of how people respond when they hit the end of their arguments.

When you have no basis for your position you do this confabulation of implied insults and taunts.

Address my points. That is all I ask.

[Dr. Rich]

Overaged wrote: "Kind of like the way you fight against them too, eh?"

Did you expect me to answer this or is this just a statment? Or don't you believe that we should TEST everything to see if it is the truth?

Oh, I almost forgot--wasn't it you who said that your foundation for your belief was baised upon 'faith'? Well no wonder no one can argue with that!

[John317]

In the Bible, "faith," "trust," "belief," "confidence," and "firm reliance," are all the same thing.

John 20:31

but these are written so that you may believe that Jesus is the Christ, the Son of God, and that by believing you may have life in his name.

John 1:12

But to all who did receive him, who believed in his name, he gave the right to become children of God,

NOTE: the above verses are showing the importance of faith.

When Jesus healed people, he would often say, "Be it done unto you as you have faith."

[teresaq]

Originally Posted By: teresaq(sda)

Did divinity/deity need to die for the sacrifice to be of effect?

That's a good question. Certainly worth looking into.

I have always believed that whether or not "the human Jesus" died or not was not the question. All that mattered/s to me is that He had the resurrection power which He also imparts to us.

Do you know of any Bible texts that would support one way or the other?

No, I don't know of any texts at the moment. I'm going on logic and a general knowledge of what I know biblically.

First, who sinned and was going to die as a result? God or man?

Can God sin? Would sin cause His death? In other words, who needed saving, God or man?

Is it Christ's death that is all important-the exact instant He died?

Or His life poured out for us-birth to cross-and the resultant resurrection?

Right now I'm at Christ's humanity had to die, not His divinity, because man sinned, not God. We need the divinity combined with humanity in order to redeem us from sin, in order to live the holy life we are called to live, not to die, or be resurrected.

I hope that wasn't too clumsy of an explanation.

[Dr. Rich]

John 317 wrote: "In the Bible, "faith," "trust," "belief," "confidence," and "firm reliance," are all the same thing.

John 20:31

but these are written so that you may believe that Jesus is the Christ, the Son of God, and that by believing you may have life in his name."

Dr. Rich: Do you see the word "may" given twice by Jesus? It does NOT say "will". Big difference! One still has to believe IN what Jesus said and taught and then must obey them and the ten commandments to be saved.

John 1:12

But to all who did receive him, who believed in his name, he gave the right to become children of God,

Dr. Rich: Do you see the "to all who did receive him" This was NOT the whole world. And, do you see the word "right"? They still need to DO something as their is no such thing as free grace.

NOTE: the above verses are showing the importance of TRUST.

When Jesus healed people, he would often say, "Be it done unto you as you have faith." This 'faith' could be called trust.