have you accepted the first death as normal?

[onlyhumanme]

I say this because the last enemy to be destroyed is death so in these times I hope to encourage you to think on this as i believe Enoch(the seventh from adam) did being concerned why good people went to the grave (he was also a sabbath keeper and a teacher of the second coming and did not see the first death).

So what death did The lord god/jesus die the first death or the second death Or was it both in my understanding it was both and that is why he will still have visible marks on his hands and had died from the beginning not just at calvary.

I am still not clear on how we accept life without seeing the first death although im trying to get my head around some of the sanctuary services especially the asking of the ashes and the red heifer used for the cleansing of death or someone who had come into contact with death and its acceptance ,this service was performed Outside the sanctuary i believe and the individual may have to ask for the ashes personally, what they are i dont know from the picture or anti-type.

If you have any input that would be great as im am fairly new.

thanks.

[onlyhumanme]

Read Hebrews 9:13-14 and Numbers 19:9 - it was a process done for the purification of Sin( not sins.)

The wager of Sin is death..

anyhow just some thoughts,I could be way off :)

[wayfinder]

The sanctuary is a subject that would require a thesis or book to address all the issues, I will say this about death. There are two deaths and two resurrections. The first death is experienced because we are mortal (flesh and blood). The second death is death by execution (put to death by God). God created mankind and everything else with breath in it, finite/mortal. Mortal creatures are the only creatures with the ability to procreate. You can imagine what this world would be like if there was no death, we would soon run out of space to live. When Jesus told the Sadducees that in heaven we would be "like the angels" neither marrying or giving in marriage.

Adam and Eve were mortal, but God gave them access to imortality by giving them the tree of life, they would have eventually die if they never ate from this tree. God instructed Adam specifically not to eat from the forbidden tree or on the day he ate from it he would be "put to death", this was the second death and Adam and Eve would not see a resurrection if this had be there experience. If God had put them to death on that day, they would not have had children and that would not have been a good thing. God did not put them to death and they had children. These children were born under a death penalty, because there parents were under this penalty. This penalty was an unpaid debt that was owed by Adam and all of his children. This debt could only be paid by a son of man that did not owe it. In order to qualify, this son of man must have existed before Adam, but be Adams father or progenitor, he must also be a son of Adam. It is clear to me that Jesus met the qualifications, He was Son of God and Son of Man. Jesus was put to death (second death) therefore paying in full the debt incurred by Adam and inherited by his offspring. It was of highest importance that Jesus qualified to by the debt without owing the debt. Once the debt was paid, it was paid in full and no longer owed; therefore the Son of God arose from death because He was righteous and death could not hold Him, legally. We become bondservants of the Son of God when we agree to the terms of service required by our Master and go to work in His household.

Read Matthew 24:45 NAS

[onlyhumanme]

We have very different understandings on the character of God my belief is that God is not a God of force and the wager of sin is death not wager of God.

The first death is IN sin the second death is From sin meaning a suicide almost.

There has always been a way out of the first death it is not natural look at enoch and elijah although how sad it is there are few that over came and it seems death being natural is the biggest cancer we have but i believe the 144000 will reach this understandingand and will come from the sadly lukewarm SDA church.

The bible dosent say put to death it says surely die Adam and Eve had no sin until it was found in them so no death until found in them.

The Lord God represented by the Lamb skin Vs the Fig leaves shows us he covered them from the foundation of the world so that they would live more than the 24hours their bodies would have lived in sin now being seperated from God.In between life and death is the opportunity to reach the top square of righteousness 'the rock' before our physical death or choose Jesus but not make it and come up in the first resurection.

thats only my understanding..

Thanks for the reply :)

[wayfinder]

In essence, God said to Adam, if you disobey My command not to eat from the tree in the midst of the garden, on the day you eat of it you will be put to death, and die. When Adam and Eve heard the Lord God walking in the garden they went and hid, not because they were naked, but because their nakedness would testify to their disobedience.

Read Isaiah 66:16 NAS

[onlyhumanme]

Just remember who the Lord God is... he became jesus, he is the same yesterday today and forever,remember what the lord god did he covered them so they could make the choice they now had to die but one choice was the physical and spiritual death Satan had created and the other was the death of the sinfull nature symbolised by the passover both wanting the firstborn one wants the firstborn nature one wants to destroy the flesh.

It is Jesus who is looking for his friends in the garden not Baal the god of force looking to kill although sadly man over time has kept enquiring for a King or Boss and so he had to play the Master and takes the blame at times when all he wanted was to be a friend.

From the time of Eves fall and Adams leap (for adam was not decieved) we had not heard GODs voice because we had seperated ourselves from GOD in our fallen nature ,hiding, not knowing,being afraid,misinterpreting,misunderstanding his nature untill he spoke again at calvary. Very few can testify to his character as it is he who is on trial here we need to show sickness and death come from our choices and are not punishments inflicted by him..

Rev 14:6, Isaiah 43:10

thanks for the reply mate

[onlyhumanme]

heres a few added thoughts..

Lambs blood was never used in the sanctuary as sometimes previously thought it was the blood of bulls and goats however if a family could not afford a goat and wanted to partake in the ceremony a lamb could be used, lambs were used in other ceremonies but they were burnt offerings.So why is this important to know all this detail? So we can recognise counterfeits and get a closer understading of gods message.

The red heifer was used outside the camp, the red symbolising blood and unspottedness as Christ and was unyoked meaning he came by choice not obligation and also being used outside the camp symbolises that christ died for all to posess the opportunity not just the jews.

As for why i say christ died both deaths is because our past lives which he takes from us at the passover circumscision are not transferred to the physical sanctuary in any ritual,so they were not placed on the scapegoat so He must bear them forever.

Remember these are just my thoughts they are in no way to replace reading your bible and talking to your friend God ,and yes absolutely I have had thoughts ive discovered were not on track before

peace friends and have a great sabbath

[Christopher]

Well i definitely disagree with wayfinder there, whew who would want to go to heaven if God is a mass murder just because He doesn't like the way we are born. And we are born sinful aka we are born with no choice but to die the first death,that's how we are made.

As to escaping the first death,yep we can like Enoch or Elijah who we born again in mind/Heart and Jesus changed there bodies and took them to Heaven.Not to likely to happen now but will happen to those who are still alive when Jesus comes back the 2nd Time.

[onlyhumanme]

thanks for the reply! and great understanding.

its true its not likely to happen but im thinking..similar to the ashes(whatever they are for an individual) one of the 144000 can absorb the knowledge from someones entire search before that persons death like ellen white someone can now absorb the best understandings of her conversations in just a few books and expand on it and find ourselves on an excellerated path before physical death.

Without accepting of what others had wrestled with god for we may not make it before our own physical deaths and Im sure satan will contest(if not just in the initial set rules of war) for the physical bodies of all of us like he did moses so coming to the father in full understanding and asking for the ashes will reduce satans ability to block its answer.

Hehe i might be off track but im Asking Questions which i think is what God wants us to do..

[onlyhumanme]

More of my thoughts on the 144000, who are they today if some are in the lifespan of the second coming? well right now one might be getting an icecream one might be watching a movie,one might be shopping for clothes one might have a cold.I think sometimes people visualise them in robes floating around the planet speaking in parables but they are real people growing in christ daily making mistakes as in the story of the ten virgins many have the opportunity and get so far along but in the last minute fall away.

I guess the main message is God calls everyone but thinking of some magical person floating around the planet may void the caller from reaching you at some point.

could be wrong, but writing thoughts down i can look back as i learn.

have a great sabbath!

[onlyhumanme]

More of my thoughts I will keep this one breif as not to offend anyone but i will ask the question who is the apostate church and could this verywell be the same church as the lukewarm church? so what church was elijahs message sent to the pagan one or the church that was closest to the truth at one point but had grown cold?..

hmmm still deciding on what i believe on this..

Have a great day friends.