Amelia Posted April 3, 2011 Posted April 3, 2011 Army group 'coming out of the atheist closet' Nonbelievers at Fort Bragg launch effort to get recognition, equal treatment on base By TOM BREEN Associated Press RALEIGH, N.C. — The cliche notwithstanding, there are atheists in foxholes. In fact, atheists, agnostics, humanists and other assorted skeptics from the Army's Fort Bragg have formed an organization in a pioneering effort to win recognition and ensure fair treatment for nonbelievers in the overwhelmingly Christian U.S. military. "We exist, we're here, we're normal," said Sgt. Justin Griffith, chief organizer of Military Atheists and Secular Humanists, or MASH. "We're also in foxholes. That's a big one, right there." For now, the group meets regularly in homes and bars outside of Fort Bragg, one of the biggest military bases in the country. But it is going through the long bureaucratic process to win official recognition from the Army as a distinct "faith" group. The rest is here Quote <p><span style="color:#0000FF;"><span style="font-weight:bold;"><span style="font-style:italic;">"Do not use harmful words, but only helpful words, the kind that build up and provide what is needed, so that what you say will do good to those who hear you."</span></span> Eph 4:29</span><br><br><img src="http://banners.wunderground.com/weathersticker/gizmotimetemp_both/US/OR/Fairview.gif" alt="Fairview.gif"> Fairview Or</p>
ClubV12 Posted April 3, 2011 Posted April 3, 2011 No athiest's in fox holes? Sounds like a mission for,,, "Myth Busters", to prove or disprove the theorum under realistic conditions (you know, bullets and stuff). :) Quote
Paul Beach Posted April 3, 2011 Posted April 3, 2011 Dear people, Why is it more noble for a military person to believe in God than not to believe in God? Does the individual at the other end of the weapon have a preference in this regard? Sincerely, Mrs. Gray Quote
Members phkrause Posted April 3, 2011 Members Posted April 3, 2011 Dear people, Why is it more noble for a military person to believe in God than not to believe in God? Does the individual at the other end of the weapon have a preference in this regard? Sincerely, Mrs. Gray Good point! Quote phkrause When the righteous are in authority, the people rejoice; But when a wicked man rules, the people groan. Proverbs 29;2
Woody Posted April 3, 2011 Posted April 3, 2011 Dear people, Why is it more noble for a military person to believe in God than not to believe in God? Does the individual at the other end of the weapon have a preference in this regard? Sincerely, Mrs. Gray Quote May we be one so that the world may be won. Christian from the cradle to the grave I believe in Hematology.
cricket Posted April 3, 2011 Posted April 3, 2011 I'd much rather be shot by a Christian than a non-Christian. At least the Christian may have given thought as to the eternal consequences of their actions--and they may have even said a prayer or two for me! Quote
Paula Posted April 3, 2011 Posted April 3, 2011 I'd much rather be shot by a Christian than a non-Christian. At least the Christian may have given thought as to the eternal consequences of their actions--and they may have even said a prayer or two for me! I REALLY REALLY hope you are being sarcastic!! A Christian who "says a prayer or two" for the one they are about to KILL isn't much of a CHRISTIAN if you ask me... nor would their prayers be of particular weight. Christ said that to follow him, we are to lay down our lives... not pray for someone in the seconds leading up to our blowing their brains off. Quote
cricket Posted April 4, 2011 Posted April 4, 2011 You're assuming the Christian is in a circumstance he/she can control. I am not making that assumption. Quote
Paula Posted April 4, 2011 Posted April 4, 2011 You're assuming the Christian is in a circumstance he/she can control. I am not making that assumption. Well... if they are in a circumstance that they cannot control, then they won't have time to "pray once or twice" before killing. The reality is that in America being a soldier and being a Christian have somehow become synonymous. Considering that war now a days is basically over power, money, and greed... this is something that most of the world finds pretty hypocritical. I'm not attacking you on this. I just find it mind blowing that someone can state that they would "rather by killed by a Christian, because that person will probably have prayed for them once or twice prior to killing them". God says to His children, "Come let us reason together". We should really think things through before we make statements about the "perks" of being killed by a "Christian" versus a non-Christian. Quote
ClubV12 Posted April 4, 2011 Posted April 4, 2011 Not all christians are cut from the same cloth. I can understand a christian, taking time to pray, before killing, doing his job, just takin' care of business. An example might be a sniper, plenty of time to think about the man you ARE going to kill. It might take hours, even days, of laying quietly, waiting for the shot. The shot, the kill, that may save a hundred lives or more, by a man who feels his need of God before pulling the trigger. Quote
ClubV12 Posted April 4, 2011 Posted April 4, 2011 Not all christians are cut from the same cloth. I can understand a christian, taking time to pray, before killing, doing his job, just takin' care of business. An example might be a sniper, plenty of time to think about the man you ARE going to kill. It might take hours, even days, of laying quietly, waiting for the shot. The shot, the kill, that may save a hundred lives or more, by a man who feels his need of God before pulling the trigger. Or, the dropping of an atomic bomb, on say, the Japanese. Plenty of time to think that one through... Quote
cricket Posted April 4, 2011 Posted April 4, 2011 Originally Posted By: cricket You're assuming the Christian is in a circumstance he/she can control. I am not making that assumption. Well... if they are in a circumstance that they cannot control, then they won't have time to "pray once or twice" before killing. .... I just find it mind blowing that someone can state that they would "rather by killed by a Christian, because that person will probably have prayed for them once or twice prior to killing them". You keep quoting "pray once or twice" in quotation marks as if what I said about praying was sarcastic. It wasn't. You also keep quoting me as saying that I would rather they be a Christian "because" they might pray for me. I did not say that --I did not reason as such. You are leaping to that assumption as well. I did say however, that it might happen, and I had hoped to imply that they might pray for me (an added benefit). I am saying that I would rather be killed by a Christian because they will have spent time thinking about the eternal implications of THEIR actions (on their own life, and on mine). I'm sorry that you find it mind blowing. I hope you will recover. Quote
SivartM Posted April 4, 2011 Posted April 4, 2011 I'd much rather be shot by a Christian than a non-Christian. At least the Christian may have given thought as to the eternal consequences of their actions--and they may have even said a prayer or two for me! I'd rather be shot by an atheist, because an atheist would be less likely to think that they were doing God a favor by killing me. But if I were in a war, I would want it to be against Jainists, because then nobody would get hurt. Quote "Always forgive your enemies; nothing annoys them so much." - Oscar Wilde�Do to others whatever you would like them to do to you. This is the essence of all that is taught in the law and the prophets." - Jesus
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