Woody Posted April 19, 2011 Posted April 19, 2011 How do we determine who is lukewarm? I hear it so often that our church is lukewarm. Since the church is the people. I am assuming that the person who states this has seen some people who are deemed to be "lukewarm". So, what I need is the criteria to determine who is lukewarm and who is not. Quote May we be one so that the world may be won. Christian from the cradle to the grave I believe in Hematology.
Administrators Gail Posted April 19, 2011 Administrators Posted April 19, 2011 Doesn't the context of the verse in Revelation say? It certainly gives the remedy. Do we really need to know who of those around us are lukewarm? Quote Isaiah 32:17 And the work of righteousness shall be peace; and the effect of righteousness quietness and assurance for ever.
Woody Posted April 19, 2011 Author Posted April 19, 2011 Quote: Do we really need to know who of those around us are lukewarm? If we are going to accuse the people of being lukewarm ... I would assume we would have to do that. I guess one solution is to not accuse our church and peoples of being lukewarm. When I hear that accusation ... I sense the person making the claim is stating the problem is the 'other' people and not them. Quote May we be one so that the world may be won. Christian from the cradle to the grave I believe in Hematology.
Dr. Rich Posted April 19, 2011 Posted April 19, 2011 Matthew 13:26-28 "But when the wheat sprang up and bore grain, then the tares became evident also. And the slaves (bondservants) of the landowner came and said to him, Sir, did you not sow good seed in your field? How then does it have tares? And he said to them, an enemy has done this! And the slaves sait to him, do you want us, then, to go and gather the up?" Notice that this is also a prophecy in a parable so that those ONLY with ears to hear will understand. (Matthew 13:11 and Dan. 12:3&10). Also notice that ONLY the salves saw the difference between the wheat and tares and ONLY just before the harvest. Here is the thing: What makes those lukewarm in Rev. 3 is the same thing that is found with the tares. Ever since Jesus planted the good seed by and through His eyewitnesses as found in the NT, so was the bad seed growing in the same NT that was sowed by the enemy of God through those who never knew Jesus but presented a different gospel than what Jesus said and taught. Those who are lukewarm say they love Jesus and believe in Him, but believe in lies given to them by their own church and through the church's prophet as found in Rev. 2:2 and 2:18-26. They must repent of these lies and accept the truth that is presented to them by the slaves (bondservants--the 144,000) What is tried by fire is the straight truth given to us by Jesus ONLY through His eyewitnesses. Quote
Administrators Gail Posted April 19, 2011 Administrators Posted April 19, 2011 If we are going to accuse the people of being lukewarm ... I would assume we would have to do that. I guess one solution is to not accuse our church and peoples of being lukewarm. When I hear that accusation ... I sense the person making the claim is stating the problem is the 'other' people and not them. Could very well be. That is probably why they view themselves as increased in goods and in need of nothing. But look at what Jesus counsels as a remedy- gold tried in the fire (trials) and eyesalve (spiritual discernment) and a white garment, not one of their own weaving. Those are pretty big experiences! Quote Isaiah 32:17 And the work of righteousness shall be peace; and the effect of righteousness quietness and assurance for ever.
Woody Posted April 19, 2011 Author Posted April 19, 2011 Thanks Gail. This bring me to a question. Was there EVER in history a point when a human was NOT lukewarm? Quote May we be one so that the world may be won. Christian from the cradle to the grave I believe in Hematology.
Administrators Gail Posted April 19, 2011 Administrators Posted April 19, 2011 I'm sure that everyone has had their share of ennui in their experiences. But I thank God that we don't need to stay there! Chrisitanity is not a religion for the faint of heart! Quote Isaiah 32:17 And the work of righteousness shall be peace; and the effect of righteousness quietness and assurance for ever.
Woody Posted April 19, 2011 Author Posted April 19, 2011 I'm sure that everyone has had their share of ennui in their experiences. But I thank God that we don't need to stay there! Chrisitanity is not a religion for the faint of heart! Quote May we be one so that the world may be won. Christian from the cradle to the grave I believe in Hematology.
Administrators Gail Posted April 19, 2011 Administrators Posted April 19, 2011 Not wanting to leave anyone out... I should say that Christianity is for the faint of heart, too, but Jesus will cure you of it. :) Quote Isaiah 32:17 And the work of righteousness shall be peace; and the effect of righteousness quietness and assurance for ever.
CoAspen Posted April 19, 2011 Posted April 19, 2011 He-he...I never worry about being 'luke warm'....someone is sure to tell me about it!! "Hey You! You're Luke Warm!!" Quote
Moderators Bravus Posted April 19, 2011 Moderators Posted April 19, 2011 OK, I'm linking to this rather than copying it because it's... not for the faint of heart. It's also not on topic, just a nice synchronicity that Gail used those words and my awesome young Hawaiian teacher friend Christian posted this the other day: http://williamgibsonboard.com/eve/forums/a/tpc/f/2866012481/m/5861084401?r=75920717663#75920717663 Quote Truth is important
Administrators Gail Posted April 19, 2011 Administrators Posted April 19, 2011 Bravus, you are right. It's not for the faint of heart. Be ye warned! Quote Isaiah 32:17 And the work of righteousness shall be peace; and the effect of righteousness quietness and assurance for ever.
Members rudywoofs (Pam) Posted April 19, 2011 Members Posted April 19, 2011 OK, I'm linking to this rather than copying it because it's... not for the faint of heart. It's also not on topic, just a nice synchronicity that Gail used those words and my awesome young Hawaiian teacher friend Christian posted this the other day: http://williamgibsonboard.com/eve/forums/a/tpc/f/2866012481/m/5861084401?r=75920717663#75920717663 And if that's supposed to be a native Hawaiian Islander speaking, it's way off base. I've NEVER heard that kind of speech coming from a native Hawaiian, and I know quite a number of them. And I'm not sure what the connection was supposed to be with this thread. Lots of people have done just what was described, gruesome as it may sound. Just my PNGO. Quote Pam Meddle Not In the Affairs of Dragons; for You Are Crunchy and Taste Good with Ketchup. If we all sang the same note in the choir, there'd never be any harmony. Funny, isn't it, how we accept Grace for ourselves and demand justice for others?
Moderators Bravus Posted April 19, 2011 Moderators Posted April 19, 2011 It is connected with this thread in artistic rather than scientific ways. It links the ideas of being 'faint of heart' and warmth. I shared it because I thought some might find it interesting. In terms of the authenticity of the dialect, Christian was born in Hawaii and has lived there all his life. He's a teacher and an excellent writer, and he's rendered what he heard as clearly and evocatively as possible. Quote Truth is important
Members rudywoofs (Pam) Posted April 20, 2011 Members Posted April 20, 2011 Thanks for replying, Bravus. It seems we know a variety of native Hawaiian Islanders. Some of my friends are teachers, too. And some are of pure Hawaiian descent. Never heard that kind of dialect. It sounds like "pidgeon English"... I get your point now about the "faint of heart' and "lukewarmness" that you were illustrating. I'm kind of slow to catch on, sometimes. Sorry. Quote Pam Meddle Not In the Affairs of Dragons; for You Are Crunchy and Taste Good with Ketchup. If we all sang the same note in the choir, there'd never be any harmony. Funny, isn't it, how we accept Grace for ourselves and demand justice for others?
Dr. Rich Posted April 20, 2011 Posted April 20, 2011 Thanks Bravus, count me one who enjoyed 'it'. Now I think we all get the point on this issue. Quote
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