Netanyahu Blasts Obama: Borders 'Indefensible, Challenges Our Existenc

[Dr. Shane]

I'm pretty sure that your professor didn't say that the conflict exist only becasue the Arabs want it to.

[Dr. Shane]

Originally Posted By: Shane

So you think Iranian nuclear power would be a good thing?

Not just power but Nuclear weapons. It is perhaps the best hope for peace. It will help Israeli search more urgently for a lasting solution. The status quo suits Israel.

[doug yowell]

Doug, my point is this.....

Israel cannot solve the Iranian problem by force. Period. Dagan’s remarks show that Israel’s whole conception of foreign policy and its management of security risks must undergo a radical change. The mantra that Israel can and should rely only on its own devices for defense has become useless. Nothing less than a paradigm change is in order.

Israel’s only viable strategy on Iran is to join the worldwide attempts to weaken that regime. U.S. President Barack Obama, who Netanyahu depicts mostly as too soft on Iran and too weak in his Middle East policy, has put together the most crippling set of sanctions to date, ones which are having a devastating effect on the Iranian economy.

Who told you that? First, the Iranian problem is a threat to the entire region not merely Israel. As a country of 7 million Israel has a more imminent threat from it's immediate neighbors. Since the common goal of all it's Muslim neighbors is it's erradication it's highly unlikely that anything Israel does, with the exception of vacating the premisis, will have any effect on it's future safety.Second,if, as you say, Israel "holds all the cards",then why should they change anything. Third, if President Obama's crippling sanctions are being so effective then why is Iran not coming to it's senses on it's own foreign policies. The Iranian regime is a totalitarian bunch of thugs. It's run by those who hate the West, devote their resources to Israel's destruction, and repress their own people. Negotiations are pointless apart from power with that sort.Iran's threat to Israel (and everyone else in the world) will dissipate when Iran decides that a paradigm change is in order.

[lazarus]

Who told you that?

Told me what?

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Second,if, as you say, Israel "holds all the cards",then why should they change anything.

They have an advantage now because they hold the cards. Things change. An Iranian bomb would change everything. Why not work for a solution now from a position of strength.

Governments negotiate with thugs and despots all the time. Israel has had negotiations with Syria and Iran in recent years. The propagandists witl say "we don't negotiate with terrorists and despots and such the like" but it's clear that they do. There are credible voices in Israel calling for change.

[lazarus]

Words matter Shane:

I didn't use the word give, you did.

I didn't say a Nuclear Iran IS the best chance for peace. I said PERHAPS it is.

The US solution for the Native Americans did not work. It would not work in Palestine. Still waiting for sources.

[Dr. Shane]

In areas where the Native Americans assimilated, which were mostly coastal areas, there was little conflict. The problem with the reservation concept was that the settlers would violate the treaties. That is the same thing we have seen happen in Israel. The mistake of the US government was that on many occasions it sided with the settlers. The entire state of South Dakota and the entire state of Oklahoma was given to Native Americans and the reason the treaties that did that were violated was because of settlers.

Contrast that with how the Spanish dealt with Latin America. They killed the men and took the women as wives. Those are pretty much the tactics we see the Arabs in the Middle-East advancing except they would kill the women and children too.

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I didn't say a Nuclear Iran IS the best chance for peace. I said PERHAPS it is.

Which is itself off-the-chart radical. That is like you seeing two kids in the street fighting with knives. When you notice that one has a gun (although he is not using it) you make sure you get a gun for the other one. That is insane. If we want peace, we don't get that by giving them (or allowing them to develop) more weapons. We get peace by getting them to stop fighting.

Israel is a very small piece of land. The UN divided it in 1948 and the Arabs rejected the UN's plan and went to war. They lost. War carries risks with it. They went to war again in 1967 and lost again.

[lazarus]

Israeli Premier Benjamin Netanyahu has expressed his readiness for the first time to negotiate borders with Palestine according to 1967 cease-fire lines, which separates the West Bank from Israel.

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Netanyahu’s offer seems a major climb-down because of the Jewish leader’s consistent denial to hold any discussion on specific borders of a future state. In exchange, for opening border negotiations, the prime minister wants the Palestinians to drop their statehood campaign at next month United Nations’ meeting and accept Israel as a Jewish state – demands that are highly expected to be rejected.

http://www.allheadlinenews.com/articles/90056005?Israel%26%23146%3Bs%20Netanyahu%20ready%20to%20negotiate%20borders%20with%20conditions

[Dr. Shane]

In exchange, for opening border negotiations, the prime minister wants the Palestinians to drop their statehood campaign at next month United Nations’ meeting and accept Israel as a Jewish state – demands that are highly expected to be rejected.

Sounds like a very good move on his part. Now the ball is in the Palestinians court.