The truth is important...

[ClubV12]

...the truth is important Bravus, were right on target! :)

[Guest]

That time I listened, I don't think I heard anything that WAS true. But that's ok Rich, I still love ya.

[Dr. Rich]

Hey RLH, It's impossible to know what you heard that wasn't the truth unless you present it to me at the time. Are you saying that the words of Jesus Christ given to us by His eyewitnesses are not the truth? I don't think that is what you meant.

[Tom Wetmore]

... but have you noticed how it is such a hard sell to those with an agenda?

We see examples all around. Here. There. Everywhere.

Take for example... well, you can pick most any topic here on these forums and you can see how hard it is to convince people to change their mind once it is made up even if that made up mind is based on no real facts or evidence.

It is very much like the quote I posted elsewhere - "Often Wrong, but never in doubt."

[ClubV12]

I like what Pastor Chick said in one thread, "Why shout in the ear of a deaf man?"

[Dr. Rich]

I like what Pastor Chick said in one thread, "Why shout in the ear of a deaf man?"

As President Bush said "to read MY lips"! None too blind as those who say they can see when the keep their eyes shut. Same goes for those with peanut butter in their ears.

[Guest]

Hey RLH, It's impossible to know what you heard that wasn't the truth unless you present it to me at the time. Are you saying that the words of Jesus Christ given to us by His eyewitnesses are not the truth? I don't think that is what you meant.

No, it wasn't the words of Jesus, it was all that other stuff you were saying. You know, the stuff that's NOT in the Bible.

[Dr. Rich]

Originally Posted By: Dr. Rich

Hey RLH, It's impossible to know what you heard that wasn't the truth unless you present it to me at the time. Are you saying that the words of Jesus Christ given to us by His eyewitnesses are not the truth? I don't think that is what you meant.

No, it wasn't the words of Jesus, it was all that other stuff you were saying. You know, the stuff that's NOT in the Bible.

Come on now RLH, don't be a false witness and breaker of the 8th commandment. What 'stuff' did you hear that was NOT in the bible and was a lie? Hmmmm? Are you sure you just wanted to come on here and write that I or 'we' lied, but refuse to tell all of us what it was that we lied about? Can you remember the ONE time you listened? Why don't you sit back and listen to about a dozen before you tie your tail in a knot and complain? Are you afraid you might learn something that would not agree with your present belief? You do know that God is a jealous God who only shows His love to those who love Him and keep His commandments? (Ex. 20:5)

But hold on you say-- Didn't Paul (your god) say that love is not jealous? Isn't that right? (1Cor. 13:4) So tell me, how is it that Paul says that God is so full of love that He is jealous

[Guest]

Come on now RLH, don't be a false witness and breaker of the 8th commandment. What 'stuff' did you hear that was NOT in the bible and was a lie? Hmmmm? Are you sure you just wanted to come on here and write that I or 'we' lied, but refuse to tell all of us what it was that we lied about?

There's a difference between lying, and being totally decieved. I do believe that you actually believe that nonsense you are forever spouting, but that doesn't make any of it true.

Let's see if I can remember some of it. For starters, you say the Holy Spirit is a woman. NOT BIBLICAL! In any way shape manor or form. In fact I've never even seen you try to prove it from the Bible, because you can't. You just simply make the claim.

You're into time setting, and telling people you know when it's all going to happen. NOT BIBLICAL, AND NOT TRUE! In fact the Bible strictly forbids time setting. No man knows the day or the hour, not even the angels.

You tell people that grace and faith are a waste of time, despite the fact that the Bible teaches the exact opposite throughout. Including the words of Jesus and the apostles. The ones you conveniently ignore.

And don't get me started on your ideas about creation, which are nowhere to be found anywhere in the Bible.

Is that enough for now? I know there's lots more.

[Dr. Rich]

Originally Posted By: Dr. Rich

Come on now RLH, don't be a false witness and breaker of the 8th commandment. What 'stuff' did you hear that was NOT in the bible and was a lie? Hmmmm? Are you sure you just wanted to come on here and write that I or 'we' lied, but refuse to tell all of us what it was that we lied about?

There's a difference between lying, and being totally decieved. I do believe that you actually believe that nonsense you are forever spouting, but that doesn't make any of it true.

Let's see if I can remember some of it. For starters, you say the Holy Spirit is a woman. NOT BIBLICAL! In any way shape manor or form. In fact I've never even seen you try to prove it from the Bible, because you can't. You just simply make the claim.

You're into time setting, and telling people you know when it's all going to happen. NOT BIBLICAL, AND NOT TRUE! In fact the Bible strictly forbids time setting. No man knows the day or the hour, not even the angels.

You tell people that grace and faith are a waste of time, despite the fact that the Bible teaches the exact opposite throughout. Including the words of Jesus and the apostles. The ones you conveniently ignore.

And don't get me started on your ideas about creation, which are nowhere to be found anywhere in the Bible.

Is that enough for now? I know there's lots more.

Testifying about someone that is false is breaking the 8th commandment.

1. Rev. 12 is in the bible and it says the WOMAN who gave birth to Jesus is the same as the one giving birth to those who keep all of the commandments and the words (testimony) of Jesus. Verse I proves that this woman could NOT be Mary or the Church. Therefore, This woman is the Holy Spirit AND this is what JESUS said and it is in the bible! So that's not a lie!

2. Time setting: The book of Daniel and Revelation is all about TIME! In fact, God is the one who set the time, I and our group didn't. All we did is point out what God said and found in prophecy. Therefore that too is NOT a lie! BTW, have you ever read verse one of Revelation? This proves that Jesus was tellilng the truth when He said that He did not know when He was coming back, but only the Father knew. Verse one tells us that AFTER Jesus went to Heaven, the Father told Him when He was to come back, therefore Jesus told His bondservants who would be living in the last generation, the same thing by having and angel give it to John and John would write it down so they could read it. Simple? UBETCHA! But then only those who are bond servants will understand (Dan. 12:10) It's not my fault you appear to be among the wicked.

3. Grace and Faith??? Show me grace in the prophecy found in Mattew 25:1-13? And do this before you testify falsly again; show me where Jesus said that anyone can be saved by grace and become righteous by faith? BTW, there IS both grace and faith, but it only applys to those who seek righteous by practicing rightousness. We all start out with faith. But the more education one has the less faith you need. Jesus NEVER had faith in His Father and neither will we when we get to heaven!

4. NONE of 'us' ever said that we can prove creation so we have taken both the biblical point of view from the Septuagint and Science to produce a theory that would agree with both. Calling it a theory is NOT a lie and it is NOT deceiving anyone!

Is the truth important? You better believe it is! Rev. 21:8 and 22:15 show that believing anything less than the truth will get you thrown in the lake of fire.

[Guest]

Quote:

1. Rev. 12 is in the bible and it says the WOMAN who gave birth to Jesus is the same as the one giving birth to those who keep all of the commandments and the words (testimony) of Jesus. Verse I proves that this woman could NOT be Mary or the Church. Therefore, This woman is the Holy Spirit AND this is what JESUS said and it is in the bible! So that's not a lie!

2. Time setting: The book of Daniel and Revelation is all about TIME! In fact, God is the one who set the time, I and our group didn't. All we did is point out what God said and found in prophecy. Therefore that too is NOT a lie! BTW, have you ever read verse one of Revelation? This proves that Jesus was tellilng the truth when He said that He did not know when He was coming back, but only the Father knew. Verse one tells us that AFTER Jesus went to Heaven, the Father told Him when He was to come back, therefore Jesus told His bondservants who would be living in the last generation, the same thing by having and angel give it to John and John would write it down so they could read it. Simple? UBETCHA! But then only those who are bond servants will understand (Dan. 12:10) It's not my fault you appear to be among the wicked.

3. Grace and Faith??? Show me grace in the prophecy found in Mattew 25:1-13? And do this before you testify falsly again; show me where Jesus said that anyone can be saved by grace and become righteous by faith? BTW, there IS both grace and faith, but it only applys to those who seek righteous by practicing rightousness. We all start out with faith. But the more education one has the less faith you need. Jesus NEVER had faith in His Father and neither will we when we get to heaven!

Maybe tomorrow. I have to get up early, and I'm on the east coast. Nitey nite.

[John317]

Nite-nite, Richard. Good-night, Mr.Murphy. It's a long time before bed-time here on the Pacific Coast.

[ClubV12]

RLH, you left out speaking in tongues and divine healing.

...like the list wasn't long enough already. :)