Islam in Bible Prophecy

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Psalms

83:1 Keep not thou silence, O God: hold not thy peace, and be not still, O God.

83:2 For, lo, thine enemies make a tumult: and they that hate thee have lifted up the head.

83:3 They have taken crafty counsel against thy people, and consulted against thy hidden ones.

83:4 They have said, Come, and let us cut them off from being a nation; that the name of Israel may be no more in remembrance.

83:5 For they have consulted together with one consent: they are confederate against thee:

83:6 The tabernacles of Edom, and the Ishmaelites; of Moab, and the Hagarenes;

83:7 Gebal, and Ammon, and Amalek; the Philistines with the inhabitants of Tyre;

83:8 Assur also is joined with them: they have holpen the children of Lot. Selah.

There is an eerie resemblance of the teachings, practices, and ambitions of fundamental Islam to the Biblical descriptions of events recorded in visions of the prophets for the time of the end.

Careful study and observation of today's Islamic presence in the Middle East and the rest of the world should be essential for the student of Bible prophecy. [Psalms 83; Ezekiel 38,39; Micah 5]

There are over one and one half billion adherents of the religion on earth today and this number is growing. Two hundred and eighty million currently reside in the various countries that directly surround the nation of Israel.

This monotheistic religion of Mohammed's was developed around 600 A.D. and has its foundational beliefs rooted in the early generations of Abraham's offspring set in contrast against the lineage of Isaac and Jacob.

Isaac and Ishmael, Jacob and Esau, and Israel and the Arabs represent this divisive theme set by God which extends from its beginnings to the present day.

The Lord has purposely separated the two lines of Abraham's descendants and has favored Israel with His Covenants regarding the land of Israel and His future restored worldwide kingdom on the earth.

Islam's teaching attempts to build on the opposite position, namely that the same promises should be applied to Arabic and other adherents of Islam's national status rather than the nation of Israel.

It appears to me that Mohammed's objectives were to develop theology which directly contradicts the Bible. His claim was that the Old Testament was corrupted by Israel and that he was given additional revelation to correct the errors.

The concept is extended further to reveal that Israelites are actually the descendants of monkeys and pigs because of a curse placed on them by Allah for corrupting the Bible.

This type of reasoning exposes Mohammed's obvious lack of intelligence and insight which would place his claim to be a messenger from God in question.

Israel has failed to meet the Lord's plans and objectives in many ways, but He has never referred to them or any other humans as monkeys and pigs.

I might add that there have been and are apostate "christian" organizations who also refute Israel's national position as the Lord's covenant nation and related promises. They claim the same promises given to Israel for themselves and fail to see the distinction between national Israel and the church given as a continuing theme throughout the scriptures.

The church consisting of both Israelite and Gentile believers is based upon matters of salvation and not national identity. The Lord distinguishes between Israel and the nations on all other aspects of His intents in all related scripture. [Jeremiah 30; Ezekiel 36; 37; 38; 39; Romans 11]

A study of the Koran and many christian traditions reveal that the claims of the adherents not only oppose the Word of the Lord, they also contain many contradictions and a great deal of confusion themselves.

Islam presents a direct refutation of the basic foundational beliefs of true christianity including the belief in God's Son Jesus Christ.

God does not have a Son according to the Koran and there are many other fundamental Biblical truths that Islam either denies, ignores, or attempts to change like the need for personal salvation through Jesus Christ.

The coming of the "lawless one" the beast, little horn, will incorporate an attempt to openly change the "times and the laws" of the biblically based festivals, seasons, and legalisms of orthodox Judaism .... and all scriptural truth regarding the past and present position of the Israelite nation.

The purpose will be to eradicate anything connecting the nation of Israel with the past, present, or future. This action will also include claiming the promises contained in the covenants that the Lord has with Israel for the religious cult of the beast.

The adherents of Islam have in the past and continue to do this very thing today and this will be the backdrop of satan's strategy at the time of the end during the coming tribulation period. [Psalms 83; Daniel 7:25; 8:9-25]

Apostate christian traditions including various christian cults have replaced basic fundamental biblical truths with their own replacement theologies as well. They often focus their adherents on very specific exclusive requirements for acceptance by the group.

Their doctrines include salvation by works and keeping legalisms which are unsupported by scripture. The salvation of the believer is based exclusively upon the Lord's grace and by faith.

They claim special revelation and traditional teachings of their leaders and add them to the basic tenets of the scriptures. Much harm has been committed by those who have acquired the name of christianity for their own motivations and purposes.

The Lord spoke about them when He said that they would come in His name and would deceive many. [Matthew 25:5]

This response to questions asked about His second coming is given first and foremost before any of the other significant events or signs are given.

Deception has existed within professing christianity since the first century and He gives specific warning about it before He continues with the rest of His response regarding the time of the end.

Mohammed was a descendant of Ishmael and a self-appointed prophet who was raised in the deserts of Arabia. His family were pagans and they worshiped a pantheon of false gods, one of which was Allah.

This god is the moon-god that was worshiped by the ancient Middle Eastern cultures of the Sumerians, Akkadians, Assyrians, and neo-Babylonians.

The pre-Islamic Arabians worshiped this same god whose symbol is the crescent moon and this fact has been verified by recent archeological discoveries.

Mohammed claimed he was visited by Gabriel who is the Lord's angel assigned to reveal truths to the prophets of Israel.

Gabriel supposedly gave Mohammed the inspiration to write the Koran and to worship the one and only true god Allah.

My opinion is that Mohammed contrived all of this himself or was actually visited by satanic spirits, possibly by satan himself.

If one believes the Bible, then Allah is a fictitious god who does not exist. There is only one true God, the God of the Bible. He has revealed Himself in the form of His Son Jesus Christ.

All other "gods" are imaginary concepts contrived by humans which can be covers for satanic influence and deception.

In any case it appears to me that satan's foot prints are all over this religion of Islam considering the overt beliefs and behavior of its adherents.

Satan's primary objectives are revealed in scripture and include placing himself above the Lord, denying the deity of Jesus Christ, destroying His covenant people Israel, and deceiving and or eliminating all humans who are trusting in Him for eternal life.

The adherents of Islam are influenced to please their impersonal "god" by eliminating all humans (infidels) who will not submit to Allah.

One method of killing christian martyrs who will not worship the beast during the tribulation period will be by beheading.

This practice is prescribed by the teachings of Islam today and is currently being carried out by radical Islamic terrorists in the Middle East.

Are these radical elements truly believers of the Islamic faith ? I think that they are. This would be difficult to prove, but I get the impression that they have a definite reliance and belief beyond ordinary human limitations.

Their ultimate ambition is to obtain world domination which they believe will require the intervention of their god Allah on their behalf.

Do the so called moderate members of Islam have the same beliefs and ambitions ? I believe they do. The tenets of the religion require ultimate victory for the followers of Allah and they could not be truly Islamic if any of these beliefs were not adhered to.

Is it possible that Islam could be the cult worship of the beast of Revelation 9:11; 11:7; 13:1 and 17:8 ? I think this is the case.

Islamic writings predict the coming of the "Mahdi", the 12th Imam who will conquer the world for Allah and his followers. This could very well be a setup for satan's "man of lawlessness" .... the human component of the biblical "antichrist". [2Thessalonians 2]

The Bible is the only trusted authority regarding future predictions by its prophets. The visions recorded in scripture are always 100% accurate by evidence of past events and will be the same for events that are still yet future.

How could the Islamic adherents of the Middle East become a dominating world force given the existence of today's greater nations with superior military capabilities?

The trump card for them will be the coming of the "lawless one", the beast .... Abaddon-Apollyon in the human little horn king of the northern Middle East who will possess extraordinary powers and abilities far beyond those of ordinary mortals. [Daniel 7:7; 8:9; 8:23; 11:36; 12:7] [2Thessalonians 2:1] [Revelation 9:11; 11:7; 13:1-4; 17:8]

[12tribes]

Revelation 9 is referring to Islam Revelation 9 cannot be future because of the time prophecies.

Revelation 9:5

(5) And to them it was given that they should not kill them, but that they should be tormented five months: and their torment was as the torment of a scorpion, when he striketh a man.

Revelation 9:15

(15) And the four angels were loosed, which were prepared for an hour, and a day, and a month, and a year, for to slay the third part of men.

In the year 1840 another remarkable fulfilment of prophecy excited widespread interest. Two years before, Josiah Litch, one of the leading ministers preaching the Second Advent, published an exposition of Revelation 9, predicting the fall of the Ottoman Empire. According to his calculations, this power was to be overthrown "in A.D. 1840, sometime in the month of August;" and only a few days previous to its accomplishment he wrote: "Allowing the first period, 150 years, to have been exactly fulfilled before Deacozes ascended the throne by permission of the Turks, and that the 391 years, fifteen days, commenced at the close of the first period, it will end on the 11th of August, 1840, when the Ottoman power in Constantinople may be expected to be broken. And this, I believe, will be found to be the case."--Josiah Litch, in Signs of the Times, and Expositor of Prophecy, Aug. 1, 1840. {GC 334.4}

At the very time specified, Turkey, through her ambassadors, accepted the protection of the allied powers of Europe, and thus placed herself under the control of Christian nations. The event exactly fulfilled the prediction. (See Appendix.) When it became known, multitudes were convinced of the correctness of the principles of prophetic interpretation adopted by Miller and his associates, and a wonderful impetus was given to the advent movement. Men of learning and position united with Miller, both in preaching and in publishing his views, and from 1840 to 1844 the work rapidly extended. {GC 335.1}

[hch]

Revelation 9 is referring to Islam Revelation 9 cannot be future because of the time prophecies.

Revelation 9:5

(5) And to them it was given that they should not kill them, but that they should be tormented five months: and their torment was as the torment of a scorpion, when he striketh a man.

Revelation 9:15

(15) And the four angels were loosed, which were prepared for an hour, and a day, and a month, and a year, for to slay the third part of men.

That is nonsense based on the presumption that there is no time prophecy after 1844, which has been examined and debunked on another thread on this forum. But clinging to this traditional view that incorrectly casts a shadow over Bible prophecy results in a lack of understanding that impedes the advancement of light from the throne in Heaven.

Thus to conclude that time prophecy stopped in 1844 means that those embracing that view will not benefit from understanding the time prophecies that are placed in their propper place after 1844.

[Lysimachus]

That is nonsense based on the presumption that there is no time prophecy after 1844, which has been examined and debunked on another thread on this forum. But clinging to this traditional view that incorrectly casts a shadow over Bible prophecy results in a lack of understanding that impedes the advancement of light from the throne in Heaven.

Thus to conclude that time prophecy stopped in 1844 means that those embracing that view will not benefit from understanding the time prophecies that are placed in their propper place after 1844.

I wouldn't say it has been debunked. Rather, still "debatable". The more I study on the so called future applications, the more I realize that it has to do with the way a person chooses to digest/read the Bible texts or EGW passages. But the "future applications" of these prophecies are not in clear cut stone as you wish to make them out to be. I'm open to the possibilities of them having a secondary fulfillment, but I do think you're being too dogmatic about it. I feel you place too much emphasis into it, and it only confuses people.

I don't think that understanding the possible future applications of the time prophecies will contribute in any fashion in helping prepare a final people and final generation for the last days.

[jasd]

I would not normally jump in on the posting of a new member – moreover one who posts interestingly; however, the temporal issue within Revelation 9 is a matter of the greatest importance in expository methode – that all adversarial positions ought bear upon the matter...

“Prescott pointed out that [...] since Litch's prediction regarding August 11 had not only been given after the fact (contrary to a statement in Great Controversy, which said it was given before), it was also quite invalid.”

--(W. W. Prescott, SDA, influential administrator, educator, and scholar; President of Battle Creek College, Union College, and Walla Walla College; vice-president of the General Conference, chairman of the Review and Herald Publishing Association board, and editor of the Review and Herald. Etc.)

“The August 11 prediction, supposedly fulfilled "to the very day," is worthless:

/ Litch began with an erroneous date from Gibbon

/ In counting the number of days he forgot about the omission of ten days in the replacement of the Julian with the Gregorian calendar

/ He seriously misstated events in the 1840s

/ He displayed ignorance of the meaning of Rev. 9:15 in the original Greek.”

--(W. A. Spicer, SDA, President of the General Conference of Seventh-day Adventist – following A. G. Daniells – and Editor of the Adventist Review – following W. W. Prescott)

"It is interesting to note that when James White and later Uriah Smith came to the seven trumpets they did not attempt an original interpretation but frankly appropriated an interpretation by Josiah Litch—one that Litch himself had already repudiated.”

--(re: the revising committee on the matter of the trumpets vis-à-vis the 1911 edition of Great Controversy)

[12tribes]

I would not normally jump in on the posting of a new member – moreover one who posts interestingly; however, the temporal issue within Revelation 9 is a matter of the greatest importance in expository methode – that all adversarial positions ought bear upon the matter...

“Prescott pointed out that [...] since Litch's prediction regarding August 11 had not only been given after the fact (contrary to a statement in Great Controversy, which said it was given before), it was also quite invalid.”

--(W. W. Prescott, SDA, influential administrator, educator, and scholar; President of Battle Creek College, Union College, and Walla Walla College; vice-president of the General Conference, chairman of the Review and Herald Publishing Association board, and editor of the Review and Herald. Etc.)

“The August 11 prediction, supposedly fulfilled "to the very day," is worthless:

/ Litch began with an erroneous date from Gibbon

/ In counting the number of days he forgot about the omission of ten days in the replacement of the Julian with the Gregorian calendar

/ He seriously misstated events in the 1840s

/ He displayed ignorance of the meaning of Rev. 9:15 in the original Greek.”

--(W. A. Spicer, SDA, President of the General Conference of Seventh-day Adventist – following A. G. Daniells – and Editor of the Adventist Review – following W. W. Prescott)

"It is interesting to note that when James White and later Uriah Smith came to the seven trumpets they did not attempt an original interpretation but frankly appropriated an interpretation by Josiah Litch—one that Litch himself had already repudiated.”

--(re: the revising committee on the matter of the trumpets vis-à-vis the 1911 edition of Great Controversy)

Go to this link there is alot of information on Islam in Prophecy

Islam in Prophecy

[skyblue888]

12 tribes, your intro is correct.

sky

[jasd]

Thank-you, for the link. Though I’ve a familiarity with the contents as set forth – it was good to revisit them. I come away with the same feelings I carried from my initial exposure to them; that is,

though interesting, they are:

/ convoluted (dismisses sequentiality – the seven seals had been opened and four of the trumpets sounded – none of which, other than 'perhaps' the first five seals, can be unequivocally shown to have temporally occurred),

/ dishonest (fails to address that men sought death, which eluded them),

/ and the author – though knowing simile from simile is slower with figuratives and metaphors...

“Arabia – the Abyss of Darkness.” [9] These are his exact words, and they appear in bold print as a sub-heading in his book. It is no mere coincidence that this outstanding Islamic author unwittingly identified Islam’s source, in bold print no less, as “the Abyss of Darkness,” using the very same word that appears in Revelation.”

Predisposition will buy one – quasi-preterism and dogmatology.