The MacDonald/Darby/Jesuit Hoax

[Truth Files]

The prime movers of the post-tribulation "rapture" theory use the following argument to support their folly .... those of preterist persuasion draw from the same concoction for the purpose of discounting what they call dispensationalism

The claim that Darby borrowed ideas from a Jesuit priest and Margaret MacDonald's contrived "vision" to support His pre-tribulation "rapture" view is a total hoax

This ruse is actually based upon a false presentation of the vision by those who want to use it for discrediting the pre-tribulation view .... the front runner is David MacPherson

The vision actually has the church going thru the tribulation period, so the game changers must rely upon the ignorance of those who buy their story

This is a pathetic manipulation of fact for the purpose of fooling those unaware of the hobgoblin that has been concocted

Here is the related part of the vision [the full vision can be accessed on the Internet]:

"I saw the people of God in an awfully dangerous situation, surrounded by nets and entanglements, about to be tried, and many about to be deceived and fall. Now will THE WICKED be revealed, with all power and signs and lying wonders, so that it it were possible the very elect will be deceived - This is the fiery trial which is to try us. - It will be for the purging and purifying of the real members of the body of Jesus; but Oh it will be a fiery trial. Every soul will he shaken to the very centre. The enemy will try to shake in every thing we have believed - but the trial of real faith will be found to honour and praise and glory. Nothing but what is of God will stand. The stony-ground hearers will be made manifest - the love of many will wax cold."

[Lysimachus]

I could care less as to whether Pretribulationalism stemmed from Margaret MacDonald or not. Either way, the Dispensational-Futurist architecture primarily originates from the Jesuits who repackaged outdated futurist elements of the Church Fathers who believed the world would end in 500 A.D., and resold these outdated, flawed, psuedepigraphal oriented ideas to Protestant circles in the 16th-18th centuries to help mask the identity of Antichrist.

That the Jesuits were primarily responsible for this prominent theology throughout Protestantism can no longer be denied. So much evidence has surfaced within the last decade. It would make your hairs stand on end.

All the data and research can be found starting from here: The Origins of Dispensational Futurism.

The data can no longer be contested.

Let's look at what the Jesuits have done:

- We have the Jesuit Cardinal Luis De Alcazar (1554-1613) who concocted the Preterist scheme of prophetic interpretation.

- We have the Jesuit Cardinal Francisco Ribera (1537-1591) who concocted the Futurist scheme of prophetic interpretation, for which Maitland, Todd, and Irving borrowed their Dispensational Futurist understandings from. Ribera concocted his futurist understanding of Bible prophecy from "futuristic elements" held by the early Church fathers. These early Church Fathers such as Iraneaus, Hippolytus and Apollinaris borrowed their Futuristic elements from mythical, pseudepigraphal writings (written by Alexandrian Hellenistic Jews), primarily contained in the Beliar myth, which stems from Persian Zoroastrian dualism.

- We have the Jesuit Cardinal Robert Bellarmino (1542-1621) who built upon Ribera's work, and polished it up, lashing out on all Protestant interpretation of Bible prophecy...and worked vehemently to get the heat off the Papacy as the application of the Antichrist.

- We have the Jesuit Cardinal Manuel de Lacunza (1731-1801) who added more details to Futurism by fabricating elements of Dispensationalism, for which Darby admits that he had been influenced by the writings of Jesuit Manuel De Lacunza, and expands upon his views.

The bottomline is, both Futurist and Preterist interpretations of Bible prophecy are doctrines created by Rome, and the fabrication of these doctrines came about at the Council of Trent in 1545....known as the "Counter Reformation". This series of meetings was held by the Roman Church and all the Catholic leaders world-wide who convened and discussed how they were going to deal with the Protestant threat. After discovering that killing them was no longer working (which convinced the Protestants all the more that they were the Antichrist), Rome set out to the task of attempting a new strategy. This strategy did not involve persecuting the Protestants, it involved implanting their most learned Jesuit doctors in Protestant ranks to create confusion amongst the Protestants by slowly infiltrating false doctrines and convince the Protestants that the Papacy was not the Antichrist. It was a crafty, subtle, and deceptive plan created by Satan.

Apparently, their strategy has worked Truth Files. With all due respect, I see that many sincere people as yourself, along with many others, have been sucked in by the snares of Rome, and you don't even know it. Many sincere and honest people simply do not know it, and others don’t care to know it. They do not care whether they are inside the jaws of the Rome or not. Unfortunately much of what Protestantism believes today is in reality—derived from Jesuit Catholic doctrines--the very Antichrist system of Bible prophecy. I have spent the last 15 years researching this information with the very best sources available, and I can guarantee you without a shadow of a doubt, that both Futurism and Preterism was inspired by the Jesuits to try and confuse the Protestant world and hide the identity of the Papacy as being applicable to the Antichrist.

[Lysimachus]

The prime movers of the post-tribulation "rapture" theory use the following argument to support their folly .... those of preterist persuasion draw from the same concoction for the purpose of discounting what they call dispensationalism

The claim that Darby borrowed ideas from a Jesuit priest and Margaret MacDonald's contrived "vision" to support His pre-tribulation "rapture" view is a total hoax

This ruse is actually based upon a false presentation of the vision by those who want to use it for discrediting the pre-tribulation view .... the front runner is David MacPherson

The vision actually has the church going thru the tribulation period, so the game changers must rely upon the ignorance of those who buy their story

This is a pathetic manipulation of fact for the purpose of fooling those unaware of the hobgoblin that has been concocted

Here is the related part of the vision [the full vision can be accessed on the Internet]:

"I saw the people of God in an awfully dangerous situation, surrounded by nets and entanglements, about to be tried, and many about to be deceived and fall. Now will THE WICKED be revealed, with all power and signs and lying wonders, so that it it were possible the very elect will be deceived - This is the fiery trial which is to try us. - It will be for the purging and purifying of the real members of the body of Jesus; but Oh it will be a fiery trial. Every soul will he shaken to the very centre. The enemy will try to shake in every thing we have believed - but the trial of real faith will be found to honour and praise and glory. Nothing but what is of God will stand. The stony-ground hearers will be made manifest - the love of many will wax cold."

There is no sound exegetical proof that David MacPherson was lying. Who is to say the above document documented every element of her vision? And who is to say it was the same vision?

One cannot prove either position. But we can absolutely prove, with resounding certainty, that Darby was influenced by the Jesuit writings of Lacunza.

Here is a rock-solid article that goes beyond what most will find on the internet concerning the direct origins of Dispensational Futurism:

Futurism: The Counterfeit Prophecy, by D.S. Farris

[Truth Files]

I think you are confusing Jesuit with the Lord .... His name is Jesus and He is the Author of all prophecy

His prophetic truth has already been written and long before your Jesuit buddy came along

[Lysimachus]

I think you are confusing Jesuit with the Lord .... His name is Jesus and He is the Author of all prophecy

His prophetic truth has already been written and long before your Jesuit buddy came along

When it is convenient for you, you will accuse my theology of originating from Augustine and Origen, and that apparently means something to you. But then when I point out to you how your grotesque and literalistic interpretations of prophecy find their origins in the Jesuits, and Hellenistic Judaism which fused Paganism with Judaism, suddenly now you resort back to the "Bible" argument.

It goes to show that you are not a serious student on these subjects like you think you are.

[olger]

I could care less as to whether Pretribulationalism stemmed from Margaret MacDonald or not. Either way, the Dispensational-Futurist architecture primarily originates from the Jesuits who repackaged outdated futurist elements of the Church Fathers who believed the world would end in 500 A.D., and resold these outdated, flawed, psuedepigraphal oriented ideas to Protestant circles in the 16th-18th centuries to help mask the identity of Antichrist.

That the Jesuits were primarily responsible for this prominent theology throughout Protestantism can no longer be denied. So much evidence has surfaced within the last decade. It would make your hairs stand on end.

All the data and research can be found starting from here: The Origins of Dispensational Futurism.

The data can no longer be contested.

Let's look at what the Jesuits have done:

- We have the Jesuit Cardinal Luis De Alcazar (1554-1613) who concocted the Preterist scheme of prophetic interpretation.

- We have the Jesuit Cardinal Francisco Ribera (1537-1591) who concocted the Futurist scheme of prophetic interpretation, for which Maitland, Todd, and Irving borrowed their Dispensational Futurist understandings from. Ribera concocted his futurist understanding of Bible prophecy from "futuristic elements" held by the early Church fathers. These early Church Fathers such as Iraneaus, Hippolytus and Apollinaris borrowed their Futuristic elements from mythical, pseudepigraphal writings (written by Alexandrian Hellenistic Jews), primarily contained in the Beliar myth, which stems from Persian Zoroastrian dualism.

- We have the Jesuit Cardinal Robert Bellarmino (1542-1621) who built upon Ribera's work, and polished it up, lashing out on all Protestant interpretation of Bible prophecy...and worked vehemently to get the heat off the Papacy as the application of the Antichrist.

- We have the Jesuit Cardinal Manuel de Lacunza (1731-1801) who added more details to Futurism by fabricating elements of Dispensationalism, for which Darby admits that he had been influenced by the writings of Jesuit Manuel De Lacunza, and expands upon his views.

The bottomline is, both Futurist and Preterist interpretations of Bible prophecy are doctrines created by Rome, and the fabrication of these doctrines came about at the Council of Trent in 1545....known as the "Counter Reformation". This series of meetings was held by the Roman Church and all the Catholic leaders world-wide who convened and discussed how they were going to deal with the Protestant threat. After discovering that killing them was no longer working (which convinced the Protestants all the more that they were the Antichrist), Rome set out to the task of attempting a new strategy. This strategy did not involve persecuting the Protestants, it involved implanting their most learned Jesuit doctors in Protestant ranks to create confusion amongst the Protestants by slowly infiltrating false doctrines and convince the Protestants that the Papacy was not the Antichrist. It was a crafty, subtle, and deceptive plan created by Satan.

Apparently, their strategy has worked Truth Files. With all due respect, I see that many sincere people as yourself, along with many others, have been sucked in by the snares of Rome, and you don't even know it. Many sincere and honest people simply do not know it, and others don’t care to know it. They do not care whether they are inside the jaws of the Rome or not. Unfortunately much of what Protestantism believes today is in reality—derived from Jesuit Catholic doctrines--the very Antichrist system of Bible prophecy. I have spent the last 15 years researching this information with the very best sources available, and I can guarantee you without a shadow of a doubt, that both Futurism and Preterism was inspired by the Jesuits to try and confuse the Protestant world and hide the identity of the Papacy as being applicable to the Antichrist.

This is factually true.

People who want literal Israel to be the vanguard of Biblical prophecy, are making the same old mistake that the Jews did when Jesus ascended "Lord wilt thou at this time restore the kingdom unto Israel...?" Jesus must have slowly shook His head and said "You'll understand it later..."

`oG

[Truth Files]

"Jesus must have slowly shook His head and said "You'll understand it later..."

>Were you there with EGW to see Him shake His head?

..... He did nothing of the kind, but merely said it was not for them to know the time .... the dating of His intent to restore the kingdom to His nation of Israel .... which He is going to do

>All scripture taken together on this matter .... all, not just some of it, would make your statement a contradiction if it were true

>EGW built her entire story upon the falsehood that the Lord was finished with Israel .... what she thought only

>Having done this, she could then insert her "church" movement in the void

>Many others have done this same thing, but the scriptures all taken together do not support it .... one has to sweep much related scripture under the rug in order to fabricate their stories

[Lysimachus]

"Jesus must have slowly shook His head and said "You'll understand it later..."

>Were you there with EGW to see Him shake His head?

..... He did nothing of the kind, but merely said it was not for them to know the time .... the dating of His intent to restore the kingdom to His nation of Israel .... which He is going to do

>All scripture taken together on this matter .... all, not just some of it, would make your statement a contradiction if it were true

>EGW built her entire story upon the falsehood that the Lord was finished with Israel .... what she thought only

>Having done this, she could then insert her "church" movement in the void

>Many others have done this same thing, but the scriptures all taken together do not support it .... one has to sweep much related scripture under the rug in order to fabricate their stories

But the fact is, the Lord is finished with national Israel. Not the spiritual House of Israel. Jesus Christ is the true Israel, the King of Israel. If we are IN CHRIST, we are a "part" of Israel.

Those who think that there is another chance for national Israel, will be disappointed.

They are doomed as a nation. God gave them MANY chances already, and they failed every time.

"If they shall fall away, to renew them again unto repentance; seeing they crucify to themselves the Son of God afresh, and put him to an open shame." (Hebrews 6:6)

They crucified our Lord AFRESH. Hence, fruit will grow no more on them "for ever" (Matthew 21:19).

All the promises to ancient Israel will now be fulfilled antitypically to the Church, the true continuation of Israel.

[olger]

Forsooth.

`oG