Antiochus IV and the Little Horn

[Dr. Rich]

Miz3, you are part right but some symbols are the same as is the leopard, lion and bear, who are given more time, but can't rule over anyone. The great beast of Dan. 7 is destroyed forever. But you are on the right track it appears. The 1st beast of Rev. 13 has all three, leopard, lion and bear type of power and organization. The leopard is easily seen by how helenistic this beast is. I hope this helps a little bit.

[miz3]

When I read Daniel chapter 11 it is clear that it is referring to the period just after the death of Alexander the Great and the beginnings at least of the Roman Empire!

Daniel chapter eleven covers the Antiochus Epiphanes situation along with Anthony and Cleopatra.

Very interesting read! That should lay to rest any "thousands of years" into the future talk!

[Truth Files]

"along with Anthony and Cleopatra"

>Give the specific verses that identify the above named .... one of Rome, and one of Egypt

>I also want the corresponding historical record

>You must prove congruency

>All of the visions of the Bible prophets are 100% accurate and can be verified by the historical record

>I can tell you that your subjects named are not in any of Daniel's visions ..... and neither is ancient Rome

>I am asking you to support your statement with the facts .... not just your idea

[Gerr]

Rome is in the dust bin of history never to rise again .... and the Pope is a joke today, a mere figurehead and leader of a dying apostate "church" .... the RCC is on the skids today and Europe is being inundates by the adherents of Islam]

Friend, you must not be paying attention to past history or current events.

"One of its heads seemed to have a mortal wound, but its mortal wound was healed, and the whole earth marveled as they followed the beast." Rev 13:3 ESV.

Pope is joke? You are in for a BIG and shocking surprise! You have been blinded by the futurism that has been palmed off to evangelicals by the Catholic Jesuit Ribera no less! Ribera with his futurism, and the other Jesuit Alcazar with his preterism, both tried to deflect the Protestant finger pointing to the papacy as the Babylon & Little Horn of Revelation. And, oh boy, have they been successful, especially Ribera. No, it was not an SDA or EGW invention. It has been the historic Protestant position, but the vast majority of Protestants have been duped and swallowed Ribera's futurism hook line and sinker! The deadly wound is nearly totally healed. The complete healing will take place when the lamb-like beast of Rev 13 will make an image to the beast that you are referring to as a "joke", i.e. enforce the observance of that child of the papacy - Sunday observance.

Who/what person/organization is the greatest moral force on this planet today? How many heads of state attended the funeral of John Paul II? A Catholic-supported Sunday Law has already began in Croatia. It is being considered by Germany and the EU. How many Protestant leaders fall all over themselves trying to get close to the pope when he comes to the US? And have you noticed that he sits on a chair ALWAYS elevated above the rest? And how many Catholics and Protestants in the US Supreme Court today?

WAKE UP, before it's too late!

[Gerr]

You cannot use Revelation to help you understand Daniel and visa versa!

WRONG premise. Both books were inspired by the same author. Since there are overlapping historical events and characters covered, they cannot help but shade light on each other.

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Who is the LITTLE HORN?

If you really want to know, start a thread on it and we'll discuss it point by point.

[Truth Files]

"WAKE UP, before it's too late!"

Sorry,

I don't buy your story

The RCC is a very apostate religion by its teachings [and certainly not the only one], but it is not specifically recorded in the visions of the Bible prophets .... not named .... not there

Reformation theology falls far short of rendering Bible prophecy with any degree of credibility .... the reformers were correct in identifying the RCC for what it is, but their understanding and presentation of the prophetic scriptures was simply inadequate and also self serving

.... and the condition of the Pope's RCC in Europe is falling apart ... the churches are empty, and it is the Muslims who are growing in numbers there

The concoction promoted by today's conspiracy buffs related to the Catholic Jesuit Ribera is a total hoax .... the prophetic scriptures of the Lord's Word were inspired and recorded long before this dude came along

The entire onslaught against a dispensational rendering of the prophetic scriptures is full of false teaching by those with self serving ambition .... the pied pipers of preterism and post-tribulation ranting .... the "rapture" bashers .... the scoffers of the last days .... the list is long [MacPherson, Gentry, Hanegraaff, Demar, Sproul, etc.]

The contrived nonsense about Margarete MacDonald and John Darby is a total ruse fabricated to deceive the ignorant and unlearned

And the "Sunday law" sham is also of the same fabric .... the SDA organization has made this idea into a legalism that christian worship must be scheduled on Saturday and that no work is permitted on the "sabbath"

This law was given to ancient Israel, not the church, and anyone breaking it was to be put to death .... why is this punishment ignored when an SDA does work on the Sabbath?

And Jesus and His diciples did work on the Sabbath and were accused by the law keepers of Judiasm .... what did He tell them?

And the apostle Paul said that the believer was not to be judged by keeping certain days and rituals

All of this hobgoblin related to the mark of the beast being "sunday worship" is not supported by scripture .... there is nothing in Revelation's unfolding that defines this extra-biblical ruse

So you should wake up ... before it is to late for you

Keeping the law, this one, or any others will not save you, only the Lord can do this .... and you cannot consistantly keep them anyway

He said that you must be ready [trusting in Him for your salvation alone], for a reason

Believe this: [Matthew 25:1-13; Revelation 3:10; 3:15-19]

[Lysimachus]

Originally Posted By: Truth Files

Rome is in the dust bin of history never to rise again .... and the Pope is a joke today, a mere figurehead and leader of a dying apostate "church" .... the RCC is on the skids today and Europe is being inundates by the adherents of Islam]

Friend, you must not be paying attention to past history or current events.

"One of its heads seemed to have a mortal wound, but its mortal wound was healed, and the whole earth marveled as they followed the beast." Rev 13:3 ESV.

Pope is joke? You are in for a BIG and shocking surprise! You have been blinded by the futurism that has been palmed off to evangelicals by the Catholic Jesuit Ribera no less! Ribera with his futurism, and the other Jesuit Alcazar with his preterism, both tried to deflect the Protestant finger pointing to the papacy as the Babylon & Little Horn of Revelation. And, oh boy, have they been successful, especially Ribera. No, it was not an SDA or EGW invention. It has been the historic Protestant position, but the vast majority of Protestants have been duped and swallowed Ribera's futurism hook line and sinker! The deadly wound is nearly totally healed. The complete healing will take place when the lamb-like beast of Rev 13 will make an image to the beast that you are referring to as a "joke", i.e. enforce the observance of that child of the papacy - Sunday observance.

Who/what person/organization is the greatest moral force on this planet today? How many heads of state attended the funeral of John Paul II? A Catholic-supported Sunday Law has already began in Croatia. It is being considered by Germany and the EU. How many Protestant leaders fall all over themselves trying to get close to the pope when he comes to the US? And have you noticed that he sits on a chair ALWAYS elevated above the rest? And how many Catholics and Protestants in the US Supreme Court today?

WAKE UP, before it's too late!

Tell it like it is Gerry!! That was one of the best posts I've read on this forum yet. If the Dispensational-Futurist world could only see just what kind of miasma has taken a hold of their brains. The thickness is so dark, you can feel it, nor can you penetrate it.

I like to send Dispensational-Futurists to www.HearingTheTruth.org in hopes that it will help to SHAKE them to their senses and knock some sense into them. It takes a lot!

To not see that the Pope is the living manifestation of the Man of Sin, the Son of Perdition -- (a pretender like Judas) -- is on par with sheer madness.

[Lysimachus]

"WAKE UP, before it's too late!"

Sorry,

I don't buy your story

The RCC is a very apostate religion by its teachings [and certainly not the only one], but it is not specifically recorded in the visions of the Bible prophets .... not named .... not there

Yep, this is "Jesuit Language". It was the language Jesuit Ribera and later Bellarmine tried to pull off on the Protestants. And those Protestants that fell for the bait took it and spread it afar. And you poor Truth Files -- I feel so sorry for you because you are a victim of this deadly venom that has been injected into Protestantism. It is a deadly virus that will take you straight into the jaws of the beast, and if you do not wake up before it's too late, he will feast on your flesh.

The Jesuits want you to believe that the bible or the prophets do not mention the RCC. You have to be insane to not see that it is recorded. God would have been out of his mind if He did not make known this system which has been in existence for 1500+ years, and has persecuted and slain more saints than any religious system in history.

Keep on thinking the way you are! Way ta go! Keep it up! YOU'LL SEE!!

But when it all comes crashing down, don't say that we didn't warn you!!

Mark our words.

[Truth Files]

Hobgoblin Lys .... your story is an extra-biblical fable

[Lysimachus]

Hobgoblin Lys .... your story is an extra-biblical fable

The irony. You obviously didn't listen to the radio show I posted, and the article "Futurism: The Counterfeit Prophecy".

Dispensational-Futurism can be directly traced to the Pseudepigraphal Beliar Man.

[Truth Files]

Hobgoblin again .... on and on you go with your Jesuit futurism story

The prophetic scriptures do not define Jesuit futurism .... quote the scriptures for me

Ribera was obviously a fraud who spewed out a few things from the prophetic scriptures which anyone could read [just like many others do], but this does not make him the inventor of futurism as you say

This guy was a Catholic priest .... why would any one belive what he said? .... apparently you do

He just wanted to concoct a defense against those who left the his RCC .... a devil twice baked poking at reformation theologists who were no better than he was at the rendering of the Bible's prophetic scriptures .... both steeped in their own ignorance and personal ambitions for self gain

It is the Lord who is a futurist by the way; Example scriptures: [1Corinthians 15:22-25; Revelation 1:1-19; 3:10;] ..... I could easily fill 20 pages of a thread on this forum with more of them

And so are His prophets who have recorded many unfulfilled visions yet to materialize

The prophetic scriptures were given long before your Jesuit priest ..... and your "beliar man" song

I am still waiting for your response to my questions about Zechariah 14 .... regarding your claim that some of the vision is past, and some of it is still future

It is all future, the entire vision .... I would be interested in observing your attempt to wiggle out of this truth

Tell me which of the events presented are past fulfilled and which are still yet future and unfulfilled at this time

If you already answered, I missed it .... post your views on this subject for the forum

[Lysimachus]

Jesus and the Prophets were on the earth hundreds of years prior to the manifestation of the Papal System--whom slew and murdered somewhere between 50 and 100 million Christians according to reliable sources.

The Futurism of yesterday is the Historicism of today.

Futurism always takes what the prophets spoke of as future and, even thousands of years later, continues to put them in the future as if never being fulfilled. This constantly leaves the past unchecked, and is an irresponsible handling of the prophetic declarations.

The Second Advent is yet future

The resurrection is yet future

The 1000 years is yet future

The second manifestation of the Beast (healed wound) is yet future, and the world wondering after the beast.

The Mark of the Beast is yet future

The sealing of the 144,000 is yet future

The second great tribulation is yet future

The second half of the 6th seal, as well 7th seal is yet future

The 7 last plagues are yet future

The lake of fire is yet future.

The New Jerusalem coming down from heaven is yet future

The Great White Throne Judgment is yet future

The new heaven and new earth is yet future

The turning of the kingdoms on the Harlot Woman and making her desolate and naked is yet future

Much of Revelation 18 is yet future

ALL of Revelation 19, 20, 21 and 22 is yet future

...etc. etc. (I'm sure I've missed some)

[Truth Files]

But I want you to demonstrate your methodology of historical allegory on a specific vision [Zechariah 14] .... this should be easy for you to do .... give me a verse by verse run down ... past fulfilled .... and future to be fulfilled ... and your reasons for each

Then I will pick others for you to do the same .... this process will tell me exactly where you stand by dealing directly with the Lord's Word .... extra-Biblical theories .... are just extra-biblical theories .... nothing more

[miz3]

Whatever!

Read the chapter its all there!(Daniel chapter eleven)!

If you missed it that's OK! Keep reading you will find it eventually!

[miz3]

Yep, this is "Jesuit Language". It was the language Jesuit Ribera and later Bellarmine tried to pull off on the Protestants. And those Protestants that fell for the bait took it and spread it afar. And you poor Truth Files -- I feel so sorry for you because you are a victim of this deadly venom that has been injected into Protestantism. It is a deadly virus that will take you straight into the jaws of the beast, and if you do not wake up before it's too late, he will feast on your flesh.

The Jesuits want you to believe that the bible or the prophets do not mention the RCC. You have to be insane to not see that it is recorded. God would have been out of his mind if He did not make known this system which has been in existence for 1500+ years, and has persecuted and slain more saints than any religious system in history.

Keep on thinking the way you are! Way ta go! Keep it up! YOU'LL SEE!!

But when it all comes crashing down, don't say that we didn't warn you!!

Mark our words.

Show me from Scripture (Bible) where the RCC is mentioned!

I don't think you can do it!

[Gerr]

"WAKE UP, before it's too late!"

Sorry,

I don't buy your story

The RCC is a very apostate religion by its teachings [and certainly not the only one], but it is not specifically recorded in the visions of the Bible prophets .... not named .... not there

Having eyes do you not see, and having ears do you not hear? Mk 8:18 ESV.

"and about the ten horns that were on its head, and the other horn that came up and before which three of them fell, the horn that had eyes and a mouth that spoke great things, and that seemed greater than its companions. [color:blue]21 As I looked, this horn made war with the saints and prevailed over them,

As for the ten horns,

out of this kingdom ten kings shall arise,

and another shall arise after them;

he shall be different from the former ones,

and shall put down three kings.

25 He shall speak words against the Most High,

and shall wear out the saints of the Most High,

and shall think to change the times and the law;

and they shall be given into his hand

for a time, times, and half a time." Dan 7:21-22, 24-25 ESV

Let no one deceive you in any way. For that day will not come, unless the rebellion comes first, and the man of lawlessness is revealed, the son of destruction, 4 who opposes and exalts himself against every so-called god or object of worship, so that he takes his seat in the temple of God, proclaiming himself to be God. Thes 2:3,4 ESV

Tell us which power/entity/organization fits the bill.

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.... and the condition of the Pope's RCC in Europe is falling apart ... the churches are empty, and it is the Muslims who are growing in numbers there

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It's the Protestant churches that are empty. The RCC is the greatest moral force today.

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The concoction promoted by today's conspiracy buffs related to the Catholic Jesuit Ribera is a total hoax .... the prophetic scriptures of the Lord's Word were inspired and recorded long before this dude came along

Yes, it's a hoax, but evangelicals including you have swallowed the bait!

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the "rapture" bashers .... the scoffers of the last days .... the list is long [MacPherson, Gentry, Hanegraaff, Demar, Sproul, etc.]

Show ONE text supporting a secret rapture.

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And the "Sunday law" sham is also of the same fabric .... the SDA organization has made this idea into a legalism that christian worship must be scheduled on Saturday and that no work is permitted on the "sabbath"

Legalism to keep holy the 7th day that God blessed & sanctified? Is it legalism to be faithful to one's spouse according to the commandment? Or to keep the other 9 commandments? Is God particular? Did God accept the strange offering Cain made? What happened to Nadab & Abihu for using "strange fire?"

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This law was given to ancient Israel, not the church,...

No law for the church? NT church free to fornicate? Steal? Murder? "For this is the covenant that I will make with the house of Israel

after those days, declares the Lord:

I will put my laws into their minds,

and write them on their hearts,"

Heb 8:10 ESV

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And Jesus and His diciples did work on the Sabbath and were accused by the law keepers of Judiasm .... what did He tell them?

And what work did Jesus do on Sabbath? Did the disciples go fishing on Sabbath? It was the rubbish that the Jews piled on the Sabbath commandment that Jesus tried to undo.

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And the apostle Paul said that the believer was not to be judged by keeping certain days and rituals

Not my job to judge you. God is the Judge, and will be using the same law that you are ignoring to judge you.

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All of this hobgoblin related to the mark of the beast being "sunday worship" is not supported by scripture .... there is nothing in Revelation's unfolding that defines this extra-biblical ruse

God's mark: Moreover, I gave them my Sabbaths, as a sign between me and them, that they might know that I am the LORD who sanctifies them. Ez 20:12 ESV

Mark of the Beast: Also it causes all, both small and great, both rich and poor, both free and slave, to be marked on the right hand or the forehead, 17 so that no one can buy or sell unless he has the mark, that is, the name of the beast or the number of its name. 18 This calls for wisdom: let the one who has understanding calculate the number of the beast, for it is the number of a man, and his number is 666. Rev 13:16-18 ESV

Just as God has a day, the Beast also has a day. The RCC points to the change from Sabbath to Sunday as the mark of her authority. Look it up. NO ONE has the mark of the beast right now, but when a Sunday Law is passed, and people willingly disobey God's command to obey a man-made institution, THEN they will receive the mark of the beast.

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So you should wake up ... before it is to late for you

Keeping the law, this one, or any others will not save you, only the Lord can do this .... and you cannot consistantly keep them anyway

I agree. Law keeping saves no one, but willful law breaking will certainly send one to perdition.

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He said that you must be ready [trusting in Him for your salvation alone], for a reason

Believe this: [Matthew 25:1-13; Revelation 3:10; 3:15-19]

It is also written: "Whoever says “I know him” but does not keep his commandments is a liar, and the truth is not in him," 1 Jn 2:4 ESV

So also faith by itself, if it does not have works, is dead. Ja 2:17 ESV

[Truth Files]

Your are wasting your time with me GC .... I still don't buy your story

"Tell us which power/entity/organization fits the bill"

This one: The adherents of Islam

The one that says that God has no son, that there is no need for individual salvation thru Jesus Christ, the offsets against Isaaic and Jacob .... Ishmael and Esau [the Lord has done this thing for His purposes], the descendants of the Assyrian/Babylonian/Persian/Turkoman cultures of the Middle East still there today [Psalms 83; Ezekiel 38; Micah 5:5-6]

The little horn of Daniel's visions will arise among them, confederate them, and they will worship him as a "god" [Revelation 13; 14:9-11]

He will sit in the temple of his "god" who is Satan ["Allah" is a cover for Satan] [Daniel 11:36-39] .... this mosque is already on the mount today [2Thessalonians 2:2-12]

He will destroy the great city part of the western gentiles [MBG] [Revelation 17:16-18; 18:1-21, fend off all opposition to his Middle Eastern rule [Daniel 40-44], and he will attempt to destroy Israel by invasion and occupation [Jeremiah 30; Ezekiel 38-39; Daniel 1-7; Micah 5:5-6; Zechariah 14; Matthew 24:15-16; Luke 21:20-24; Revelation 12:6; 12:14-17]

Those who will not submit to this one will be hunted down and beheaded during the Lord's coming hour [time] of trial and judjment .... this is what Muslims believe and do to infidels [Revelation 6:9-11; 14:13; 20:4 [those beheaded]

All of this is Biblical truth and present reality

If you do not think so, watch the Middle East

.... and make certain that you are "ready" if you are not .... the Lord has said this for a reason [1Thessalonians 5:1-9]Revelation 3:10] .... if not you will be among those of professing christianity who will be rejected [Matthew 25:1-13; Revelation 3:15-19]

The Lord's visitation to judge the earth will come suddenly [Luke 21:35] and with no signs or warning given .... if one is not ready here is the setting that one will encounter [Psalms 2; Revelation 6:12-17]

All of this could begin before this day is over .... the Lord has not revealed the dating [Acts 1:6]

[Gerr]

Your are waisting your time with me GC .... I still don't buy your story

"Tell us which power/entity/organization fits the bill"

This one: The adherents of Islam

Islam fits a little, but too many things don't.

1. Islam DID NOT emerge until long after the Roman Empire disintegrated.

2. Islam DID NOT destroy 3 of the 10 kingdoms that emerged from that empire.

3. Islam DOES NOT have a head that sits in the temple of God claiming to be God.

4. While Islam has its holy day on Friday, I am not aware of any Islamic claims to have the authority to change God's law.

5. The number of martyred saints in the hands of Islam pales in comparison to the multitudes at the hands of the papacy.

6. The boastful claims of Islam pales in comparison to the claims of the papacy.

7. The persecution time frame of the 1260 day/year or 42 mos prophecies do not match with Islam.

8. You have not provided ANY logical or scriptural reason to place the events of the 70th week in the future and the other 69 in the distant past.

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He will sit in the temple of his "god" who is Satan ["Allah" is a cover for Satan] [Daniel 11:36-39] .... this mosque is already on the mount today [2Thessalonians 2:2-12]

I suggest you study for yourself the papal claims.

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All of this is Biblical truth and present reality

If you do not think so, watch the Middle East

I'll watch the ME if you keep an eye on the papacy and the apostate Protestants that will join hands with the papacy to persecute those "who keep the commandments of God and their faith in Jesus." Rev 14:12

When this happens, then you will know for certain which interpretation is correct.

[Lysimachus]

At Gerry Cabalo:

Excellent posts

[hch]

"God doesn't miss a lick. Rome meets every single specification."

>Like I said, Daniel 11:21-35 is Antiochus IV .... 11:36-45; 12:7 is the little horn of the time of the end appointed

>And Rome did not start out as two opposing kingdoms, one north and one south of Israel [Daniel 2:33] [the two iron legs ... the little horn will come from the northern leg of iron] .... these two kingdoms of the Middle East are still a future development to come in the Middle East [Daniel 11:40]

The little horn's confederated kingdom will include all of the Middle East [Daniel 2:40-43; 7:7-25; 11:36-45; 12:7]

>Antiochus IV [king of the north, bronze thigh] never conquered Egypt [king of the south, bronze thigh]

>The little horn, king of the north of the time of the end will do it .... this little horn will come from his place out of the north [Daniel 8:9] .... and he is called the "Assyrian" in Micah 5:5-6

..... this king is not a Pope from Europe

>I think EGW missed the lick

It is a shame to develop a framework that is supposed to help explain Bible prophecy that later hinders the understanding that it is supposed to explain.

When Bible prophecy is being fulfilled before our very eyes, to have the framework that is to explain it to be so out of synchronization with what is actually happening is to love more dearly the framework rather than the Scriptures.

[hch]

(there may still be an application to the last 2300 literal days of earths history, but if that was to be the case the Holy Spirit will reveal it to us when it is time. Let's not run a head of him. but become firm in the truth for our day)

In my personal study of Daniel, I see that the 2300-days were fulfilled literally in Ezra's day when he was present in Jerusalem to participate in the cleansing of the Sanctuary. (See the book of Ezra) .

From the cleansing of the Temple in Ezra's day (Yom Kippur)in 457 BC the 2300-years ended in 1843. The figures were as God would have them and should not be changed. That is the view from the BC side of history.

From the cleansing of the Temple in Ezra's day in 457 BC the 2300-years ended in 1844. These figures align with Christ's baptism, death and the gospel going to the world. That is the view from the AD side of history. And since 1844 is based on the very evidence that proves 1843, the 2300-years had one start date and two end dates. Thus the 2300-years was doubled.

Likewise, the decree to rebuild Jerusalem [Jerusalem ="teaching of peace"] was repeated in the endtime as the 31 May 1998 decree "teaching of peace" of Pope John-Paul II. From that decree the very day of the anointing of the counterfeit prince of the covenant is confirmed. He was prophesied to fail in September 2001, then he was to and did confirm the covenant with many for one WEEK: 17-23 September 2001; set up the abomination that makes desolate in the midst of the week 20 September 2001 [which removed the sacrifice and the oblation]. From the day that the failure of the endtime prince of the covenant was established there are 1290-days to the death of the continual [daily, which is to say something or someone who continues]. Thus the daily in the endtime context was John-Paul II who was to continue 42-months (see Revelation 13:1-5). John-Paul II continued 42-months after 9/11/01 died exactly 1290-days after the counterfeit prince of the covenant eminent fail was at hand. Thus the 1335-days ended 17 may 2005 and the blessing promised on that day was to know that what I have written here is true. There was a confirmation issued that very day to verify the truth of these comments.

That brief explanation was given to make this point: It will soon be 2300-literal days from the end of the 1335-days. In fact the 2300-days will end a few weeks before Yom Kippur (7 October 2011).

Does that mean that Jesus will come at that date? No - we don't know the day or the hour. What it does mean is that we are at the time WHEN THE MARK OF THE BEAST IS TO BE IMPLEMENTED!

And America's current financial slump with its loss of its AAA credit rating is going to get progressively worse rapidly.

And Christ's coming is even at the door. But it will be an overwhelming surprise to those sleeping virgins that believe He is Coming, but don't know the prophecies well enough to make the needed preparations NOW. And it will be a shock to the unwarned world.

We need the RIGHT MESSAGE at the right time. The uncertainty and doubt that marks our discussions and proclamations of the Second Advent are lulling us into indifference.

Time is not to be a issue again because the 3rd angel's message will stand on its own. But when Mr. Obama implements the mark of the beast, so many will fail to see it for what it is because they have become confused on Bible prophecy. They will be confused because things have not transpired as their pet theories dictated and they will not know it until it is too late.

Oh if only God's people would study to show themselves approved of God workmen that need not to be reproved at Christ's coming!

I just glossed over this topic here because these massive postings are just too much to absorb. Read the Book Echoes of Doomsday. It gives the warning message and all the supporting documentation in a brief study. The chapters are 7-10 pages each, but it is a heavy read. With a chapter at a sitting, it will take a week to read it.

[olger]

Antiochus Epiphanes was a historical pipsqueak.