Q.E.D. Posted October 8, 2011 Posted October 8, 2011 Does God know every little exact detail about everyones future? For instance does God know such future events such as will you sneeze, drop a pencil, or exactly what you will have for breakfast down to the number of rasins in your oatmeal, etc, tomorrow? Does God know all the thoughts that all humanity will have tomorrow? Does God know if a person will commit a particular sin at an exact time in the future? Quote Satanic Verses-Salman Rushdie.
Moderators Gerr Posted October 8, 2011 Moderators Posted October 8, 2011 Which of those do you think He doesn't know? Quote
Q.E.D. Posted October 8, 2011 Author Posted October 8, 2011 Which of those do you think He doesn't know? The number of raisins in my oatmeal. Quote Satanic Verses-Salman Rushdie.
Moderators John317 Posted October 8, 2011 Moderators Posted October 8, 2011 The Bible says that God knows how many hairs you have on your head. That's the Bible's way of saying he knows you totally. I'm sure that God isn't concerned with how many hairs we have, but the point is that there's nothing about us that God doesn't know. The Bible also says that God knows the future as well as He knows the past. Yet we know that when things actually happen, it is not the same as when those things were known to God as future events. The Bible is clear that God does know all things. I believe that means God knows whatever He wants to know. Perhaps his knowledge is like a powerful computer which he can search and find out anything He chooses to. You might want to check out some books that deal with this topic from various viewpoints. Richard Rice wrote one, titled, The Openness of God. He proposes in his book that God does not know everything. I disagree with him, but his book is worth reading. Quote John 3:16-17 For God so loved the world, that he gave his only Son, that whoever believes in him should not perish but have eternal life. [17] For God did not send his Son into the world to condemn the world, but in order that the world might be saved through him.
Moderators John317 Posted October 8, 2011 Moderators Posted October 8, 2011 Does God know if a person will commit a particular sin at an exact time in the future? Did God know hundreds of years in advance that certain people would kill His Son at a particular time of a certain day in a certain year? What we can safely say is that God is never taken by surprise at what anyone does or ever will do. But He has much more important things to concern Himself with than how many raisins you have in your cereal. Jesus said God takes notice of the sparrows dying. He said this as a way of telling us that God is certainly concerned with the life and death of human beings for whom God sent His beloved Son into the world to give His life. Quote John 3:16-17 For God so loved the world, that he gave his only Son, that whoever believes in him should not perish but have eternal life. [17] For God did not send his Son into the world to condemn the world, but in order that the world might be saved through him.
BobRyan Posted October 8, 2011 Posted October 8, 2011 God says that the hairs of your head are numbered and he says that the days of your life have been predetermined. God knows everything. Jesus stated on the way to the cross "what shall I say - Father deliver Me? No! For it was for this very purpose that I came into this world". When Peter tried to deliver Christ - one man against 100's - Christ said "no". Christ said "do you not know that I could call twelve legions of Angels to defend Me if it was my wish to do so?". In Colossians 1 we are told that Christ causes "all things to hold together" - even the raisins in your oatmeal. In particle physics there is an understanding that all particles are ultimately made up of massless particles. And massless particles always travel at the speed of light - unless something constrains them. If your massless particles were not being packaged/constrained/held at this moment you would simply appear as a burst of light that then vanishes. in Christ, Bob Quote John 8:32 - The Truth will make you free“The righteousness of Christ will not cover one cherished sin." COL 316.
Q.E.D. Posted October 8, 2011 Author Posted October 8, 2011 God says that the hairs of your head are numbered and he says that the days of your life have been predetermined. God knows everything. in Christ, Bob Hi Bob, Do you think that the activities of every second of your life have been predetermined by God? I am just curious I am not trying to trap anyone. Quote Satanic Verses-Salman Rushdie.
BobRyan Posted October 8, 2011 Posted October 8, 2011 Not predetermined as in "God made me do it" - but "foreknown". Thus God even "Foreknows" what He Himself will do. in Christ, Bob Quote John 8:32 - The Truth will make you free“The righteousness of Christ will not cover one cherished sin." COL 316.
Q.E.D. Posted October 8, 2011 Author Posted October 8, 2011 See ya'll in Church! Quote Satanic Verses-Salman Rushdie.
Moderators Gerr Posted October 8, 2011 Moderators Posted October 8, 2011 Originally Posted By: Gerry Cabalo Which of those do you think He doesn't know? The number of raisins in my oatmeal. Is the God who put myriads of galaxies in space and who knows their courses in the business of counting raisins? Quote
Q.E.D. Posted October 8, 2011 Author Posted October 8, 2011 Which of those do you think He doesn't know? Quote Satanic Verses-Salman Rushdie.
joeb Posted October 9, 2011 Posted October 9, 2011 The Bible says that God knows how many hairs you have on your head. That's the Bible's way of saying he knows you totally. I'm sure that God isn't concerned with how many hairs we have, but the point is that there's nothing about us that God doesn't know. The Bible also says that God knows the future as well as He knows the past. Yet we know that when things actually happen, it is not the same as when those things were known to God as future events. The Bible is clear that God does know all things. I believe that means God knows whatever He wants to know. Perhaps his knowledge is like a powerful computer which he can search and find out anything He chooses to. You might want to check out some books that deal with this topic from various viewpoints. Richard Rice wrote one, titled, The Openness of God. He proposes in his book that God does not know everything. I disagree with him, but his book is worth reading. Open theology is quite interesting. It's time to pull out the popcorn when a knowledgable open theology adherent debates a staunch Calvinist. I've never studied it, per se, but I spent quite a bit of time on a forum with a lot of open theology adherents and learned a fair bit about it. I like how it treats God's character even though its adherents don't really focus on it. Quote Liberty cannot be established without morality, nor morality without faith.Alexis de Tocqueville
doug yowell Posted October 9, 2011 Posted October 9, 2011 Which of those do you think He doesn't know? The number of raisins in my oatmeal. I'm guessing----17. Quote
doug yowell Posted October 9, 2011 Posted October 9, 2011 Open theology is quite interesting. I've never studied it, per se, but I spent quite a bit of time on a forum with a lot of open theology adherents and learned a fair bit about it. I like how it treats God's character even though its adherents don't really focus on it. You mean like trying to shape a god which they can more easily understand? Someone within the grasp of their intellectual capacities? Quote
Robert Posted October 10, 2011 Posted October 10, 2011 Does God know every little exact detail about everyones future? He is all knowing.... Quote
Administrators Tom Wetmore Posted October 10, 2011 Administrators Posted October 10, 2011 But what does it mean to be all knowing? Quote "Absurdity reigns and confusion makes it look good." "Sinless perfection is such a shallow goal." "I love God only as much as the person I love the least." *Forgiveness is always good news. And that is the gospel truth. (And finally, the ideas expressed above are solely my person views and not that of any organization with which I am associated.)
Administrators Tom Wetmore Posted October 10, 2011 Administrators Posted October 10, 2011 It has been a while, but I have read several books and a number of articles on open theology. There is a difficult to resolve tension between the traditional concepts of our free will and God's foreknowledge or its extreme, predestination. Open theology seeks an answer that more satisfactorily balances our free will and God's foreknowledge. Quote "Absurdity reigns and confusion makes it look good." "Sinless perfection is such a shallow goal." "I love God only as much as the person I love the least." *Forgiveness is always good news. And that is the gospel truth. (And finally, the ideas expressed above are solely my person views and not that of any organization with which I am associated.)
olger Posted October 10, 2011 Posted October 10, 2011 I tend to think that the Father limits His knowledge in certain situations, Tom. The test of Job, for instance. rejoice always, g Quote "Please don't feed the drama queens.."
Administrators Tom Wetmore Posted October 10, 2011 Administrators Posted October 10, 2011 Explain how He limited His knowledge in Job's situation. Quote "Absurdity reigns and confusion makes it look good." "Sinless perfection is such a shallow goal." "I love God only as much as the person I love the least." *Forgiveness is always good news. And that is the gospel truth. (And finally, the ideas expressed above are solely my person views and not that of any organization with which I am associated.)
olger Posted October 10, 2011 Posted October 10, 2011 Let me clarify. I have a difficult time envisioning that when Satan made his challenge re Job, that God "peeked" into the future and saw that the outcome would be favorable and then entered into the contest with the enemy. I think it more likely that God took a real risk in the outcome of the trial of Job. I could be persuaded otherwise... Quote "Please don't feed the drama queens.."
Administrators Tom Wetmore Posted October 10, 2011 Administrators Posted October 10, 2011 I agree. That would also be the perspective of open theology. Quote "Absurdity reigns and confusion makes it look good." "Sinless perfection is such a shallow goal." "I love God only as much as the person I love the least." *Forgiveness is always good news. And that is the gospel truth. (And finally, the ideas expressed above are solely my person views and not that of any organization with which I am associated.)
olger Posted October 10, 2011 Posted October 10, 2011 Ellen White says that Christ came to this world "at the risk of eternal loss." That is what got me to thinking, years ago. Quote "Please don't feed the drama queens.."
doug yowell Posted October 10, 2011 Posted October 10, 2011 But what does it mean to be all knowing? That's a good question.Seems like once we start questioning God's omniscience we would naturally need to question His ability to predict future events,His ability to know enough to create something from nothing, His complete knowledge of the human make up,ect...ect... Seems like we'd then need to move on to questioning His Eternal existence, and so on, and so on. Quote
doug yowell Posted October 10, 2011 Posted October 10, 2011 Let me clarify. I have a difficult time envisioning that when Satan made his challenge re Job, that God "peeked" into the future and saw that the outcome would be favorable and then entered into the contest with the enemy. I think it more likely that God took a real risk in the outcome of the trial of Job. Why? Don't forget it was God Himself Who instigated the whole situation. Can you think of an example where God got it wrong? Doesn't all prophesy rest on that supposition? Isn't that the test of who the Real God is? Quote
doug yowell Posted October 10, 2011 Posted October 10, 2011 Ellen White says that Christ came to this world "at the risk of eternal loss." That is what got me to thinking, years ago. That kind of wording does tend to get the thought processes rolling.Would you have had other reasons to question that issue had you not encountered that quote? Quote
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