Diets

[phkrause]

The Full Plate Diet

http://www.adventistreview.org/issue.php?issue=2011-1526&page=22

[ClubV12]

I just bought my first (and last?) can of "Fry Chick" the other day. I made a salad for dinner tonight and thought I'd try a couple of them, warmed up in the microwave.

Ewww, man I need a recipe or something. The salad was great, I didn't finish the fake chicken. Maybe I should just pass on the Vege Meat stuff and move right on to Vegan, all though, I'm not sure how that works.

Anyway, I'm doing OK with the new health lifestyle thing in general. Feeling better and actually starting to like Pero! I gave up coffee and I'm not looking back. Meat is almost gone entirely, as I carefully explore my options to remove it. Those vege burgers things aren't bad, next up, "fake hot dogs", I hope there not as bad as the fake chicken...

OH, I LOVE Soy Milk!!! Wow, it's totally replaced milk. Mainly I quit milk because I was drinking SO much of it, way to much, I had to go "cold turkey" on that. Thank the Lord I actually like Soy Milk.

[phkrause]

LOL Club, the replacement stuff is not always as its cracked up to be. There are lots of different choses though. Morning Star makes some great breakfast foods. As far as burgers my favorite is the Prime Grillers. A few years ago Boca burgers were rated as the number one in taste, least fattening, all around best burger by consumer reports. But I know a number of SDAs that can't stand them. I've always enjoyed the portabello burgers, not sure what brand they are. I also love soy milk, had no problem getting used to it. I really never liked milk or drank it that much. I like must of the different soy milks. But usually buy Silk. Have been drinking Almond Breeze a lot more than soy milk lately. And really love Silk Dark Chocolate Almond Milk.

[ClubV12]

I downloaded the PDF file for the book. The authors make an excellent point about a "sustainable" diet plan. More like a reasonable "life style plan", not a diet per se. One that is not all complicated and burdensome, but simple. Something like that is truly long term. I think there onto something big with that revelation. I also very much agree with moving slowly enough to incorporate the changes in a steady as she goes fashion.

[fccool]

The issue with veggie meats is the GM soy. They did some experimentation in Russia, and GM soy seemed to affect and weaken the progressive generations in mice. There's not enough research yet, but always better to be safe than sorry.

Overall, I think that Adventist diet should not necessarily be called vegetarian diet. Should be called healthy diet. Vegetarian diet confuses people, because they tend to compensate their cravings for meat with substitutes and junk food.

They should have some standards when it comes to deserts.

[Toni Wood]

We go easy on the meat substitutes. I do use the Morning Star sausages and their bean patties. We also prefer Almond milk. I can still make my stoganoff with the Morning Star steak strips, using the sour cream substitutes or sometimes Imo. I also use the steak strips for my Mexican Fajatis dishes. We also use the Prime Grillers as hamburger sandwich substitutes. I will use hamburger casserole recipes using the Morning Star Crumbles. I also use the shredded cheese substitutes. I only have one meatloaf recipe where I use vegeburger and torn bread slices. All in all, my advice to anyone coming off meat is to do it over a period of time and experiment, experiment, experiment. There are lots of regular recipes where a substitue can be used, as mentioned above and the taste is not compromised. I find that the use of cashew nuts in cream based soups and dressings is a real blessing in getting away from milk. I find that mostly the Almond milk is great for dringing or cereals, but not body enough for anything calling for a heavier base.

[ClubV12]

Good suggestions on what to look for in meat substitues, thanks.

I have heard from a few members at church they to prefer almond milk over soy milk. So I tried some, I found it to sweet for my taste and much prefer soy milk.

My primary concern with meat substitues is breakfast! Living in Hawaii for a couple of decades plus I developed quite a taste for "Spam" (and white sticky rice, not this lame brown rice ya'll seem to like). Ha Ha I gave up Spam pretty quick, months ago, but I really miss it with a couple of eggs, rice and toast for breakfast. I'll try some other breakfast meats for awhile as I continue to the transition.

Oh,,, and I'm learning how to cook brown rice, it's a little different than sticky rice, comes out funny in my rice cooker and is NOT chop stick friendly. Think about it, how do you eat rice that doesn't stick together with chop sticks? There's a reason for sticky rice...

Shredded cheese substitutes? Well theres a new one for me.

[joeb]

We go easy on the meat substitutes. I do use the Morning Star sausages and their bean patties. We also prefer Almond milk. I can still make my stoganoff with the Morning Star steak strips, using the sour cream substitutes or sometimes Imo. I also use the steak strips for my Mexican Fajatis dishes. We also use the Prime Grillers as hamburger sandwich substitutes. I will use hamburger casserole recipes using the Morning Star Crumbles. I also use the shredded cheese substitutes. I only have one meatloaf recipe where I use vegeburger and torn bread slices. All in all, my advice to anyone coming off meat is to do it over a period of time and experiment, experiment, experiment. There are lots of regular recipes where a substitue can be used, as mentioned above and the taste is not compromised. I find that the use of cashew nuts in cream based soups and dressings is a real blessing in getting away from milk. I find that mostly the Almond milk is great for dringing or cereals, but not body enough for anything calling for a heavier base.

We also use the same meat substitues you do, but my favorite is gluten steaks. I add several spices to ours and use them diced up in spaghetti sauce, in "steak" sandwiches, standalone breaded and fried "steaks", as a meat replacement in chow mein, "steak" and onions with gravy entree, etc....

Very tasty. Makes my mouth water just to think about them....

[Tallmark]

Plant strong is the only way to live. http://www.forksoverknives.com/ I don't do TVP (textured vegetable protein) or soy. Very unhealthy.

[ClubV12]

I suspect "very unhealthy" is relevant to where one is coming from.

It's certainly got to be better than a rare bloody steak... or a can of Spam come to think of it.

But you make a point worthy of consideration Tallmark.

[Gail]

Spam? (so tempted to get into a Monty Python rant...)

[GreatLakesGramma]

ClubV12, most of the veggie meats you and others have been referring to are made of hydrolyzed soy, which is toxic. It's just a different kind of toxin than you get from real meat, but it's just as detrimental to your health. Only if you've been having health issues with meat, they will probably go away, because the soy will affect you differently. But if you change over to eating them as much as you've been eating meat, they will probably cause new health issues down the road. Only you probably won't associate them with those veggie meats, because, after all, they are supposed to be healthy. Only they aren't.

I speak from experience, by the way. Every time I changed my diet, my health improved initially, but then it started going downhill again, even after I was totally vegan. I had to go beyond the typical Adventist vegan diet, which isn't really all that healthy either. But one step at a time is really the best way to go, the best way to make lasting changes. If you try to change too much at once, it's too hard, and you might not be able to keep it up. Because life is just too busy to be using up most of your mental energy on what you eat.

[John317]

.... most of the veggie meats you and others have been referring to are made of hydrolyzed soy, which is toxic. It's just a different kind of toxin than you get from real meat, but it's just as detrimental to your health. Only if you've been having health issues with meat, they will probably go away, because the soy will affect you differently. But if you change over to eating them as much as you've been eating meat, they will probably cause new health issues down the road. Only you probably won't associate them with those veggie meats, because, after all, they are supposed to be healthy. .

What kind of symptoms do people have when they have health issues as a result of eating too much of the veggie meats?

And why is hydrolyzed soy toxic?

[John317]

One of my daughters had terrible problems with her stomach for many years. Doctors didn't know what to do for her and why she had upset stomach so often and for such long periods of time.

Finally, just a couple of years ago, she changed her diet completely. She read something in Ellen White's writings in which she wrote to a woman who was having the same symptoms as my daughter had. So my daughter did what Ellen White told this woman to do. She stopped eating all meats; began drinking lots of water and eating mostly vegetables and fruits; began drinking soy milk instead of cows milk; stopped eating between meals; and she stopped eating after 6 PM.

She told me just the other day that since she changed her diet, she hasn't had any more trouble with upset stomach.

[Gerr]

I had to give up soy milk and switched to almond milk because the soy milk that's available here has carageenan in it which is an excitotoxin. If you want to know what excitotxin is, there's a thread on it in, "Ask a Physician."

[Gerr]

And why is hydrolyzed soy toxic?

Hydrolyzed protein results in amino acids. My recollection is that some of these amino acids in high concentrations act as excitotoxins.

[John317]

Does most or all soy milk contain carageenan?

I wonder if when you make your own soy milk, it would also contain carageenan.

[SivartM]

Does most or all soy milk contain carageenan?

I wonder if when you make your own soy milk, it would also contain carageenan.

Unless you like to put seaweed extracts in your homemade soy milk, I don't think there would be any.

Incidentally, carrageenan could be an effective treatment for the common cold.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Carrageenan

[phkrause]

One of my daughters had terrible problems with her stomach for many years. Doctors didn't know what to do for her and why she had upset stomach so often and for such long periods of time.

Finally, just a couple of years ago, she changed her diet completely. She read something in Ellen White's writings in which she wrote to a woman who was having the same symptoms as my daughter had. So my daughter did what Ellen White told this woman to do. She stopped eating all meats; began drinking lots of water and eating mostly vegetables and fruits; began drinking soy milk instead of cows milk; stopped eating between meals; and she stopped eating after 6 PM.

She told me just the other day that since she changed her diet, she hasn't had any more trouble with upset stomach.

LOL, funny, but really not funny. I didn't have any stomach problems, but did the same as your daughter, I also read EGWs book, and lost about 50 lbs.

[ClubV12]

I have had chronic sinusitis (like a bad cold) all my life. Going to the dentist is a real pain because I can't breath through my nose. I totally stopped drinking milk about a month ago, just because I knew I was drinking way to much, always have. A couple of gallons a week. We had three cows growing up and my first job was on a dairy, milk, it's what I do.

I can actually breathe through my nose now! I never expected that. At first I thought it must be the better diet, then it dawned on me, I'm sure it was the milk. Now I'm looking to remove every trace of dairy products and see what happens. Yogurt, Ranch dressing and whatever else. For now, for me, vege meats and soy milk are a God send, they certainly have their place in a transition diet.

"excito-toxin". Ha Ha, sounds like a comic book hero, I'm not all that "excited" about soy milk, but I like it.

[SivartM]

I think that dairy actually can effect the sinuses. You could even be sensitive to lactose; it's not uncommon.

[changing-subject-to-me-now]

I was raised a vegetarian and could NEVER imagine not eating cheese until I became a bit of a coffee-drinking heathen, and then I switched to mostly soy/almond milk and often find myself randomly eating vegan meals. Which is cool, and of course I am sure to eat foods with vitamin B12 added on my accidental-cow-death-camp-protest days.

Of course, if I ever end up moving to Wales, any hope of veganism will be gone forever. But sheep's milk is better for you than cow's milk. I'm sure.

[phkrause]

Actually have heard that goats milk is even better than cows milk. Have never heard of sheeps milk.

[John317]

I had to give up soy milk and switched to almond milk because the soy milk that's available here has carageenan in it which is an excitotoxin. If you want to know what excitotxin is, there's a thread on it in, "Ask a Physician."

Check out this amazing video about excitotoxins, Gerry:

http://video.google.com/videoplay?docid=-2384105525501310962#

This is the first time I've even heard of excitotoxins.

[ClubV12]

Sheeps milk, it's what Moses drank. :)

[Gerr]

Does most or all soy milk contain carageenan?

I wonder if when you make your own soy milk, it would also contain carageenan.

Carageenan is an additive to enhance taste, I believe. I don't see how it could be present in homemade soy milk unless you add it.