Heart

[Lione]

Old and recent neuroScientific research by Dr Armour and many others points to the existence of a brain in the heart. This would explain the long msytery of why the bible, starting from Ge6:5 refers to the heart as a decision making organ. This would also explain why verses like Matthew 22:37 distinguish heart, soul and mind. The bible has always known that the heart has a brain but science was lagging behind. jeremiah 17:9 is clearer to me now.

[phkrause]

Interesting post Lione. Not sure what you mean by Old? Do you have any links you can post?

[teresaq]

Old and recent neuroScientific research by Dr Armour and many others points to the existence of a brain in the heart. This would explain the long msytery of why the bible, starting from Ge6:5 refers to the heart as a decision making organ. This would also explain why verses like Matthew 22:37 distinguish heart, soul and mind. The bible has always known that the heart has a brain but science was lagging behind. jeremiah 17:9 is clearer to me now.

This is the non-serious forum.

This discussion has already been here, ask Twilight, Twilight I and Twilight II, and it got serious...but maybe it won't now. :)

[Nan]

Guess it depends on definition of brain.....a collection of neurones with connecting axons and synapses?

[teresaq]

http://www.montgomerycollege.edu/Departments/StudentJournal/volume2/kate.pdf

Cellular memory is defined as the idea that the cells in our bodies contain information about our personalities, tastes, and histories (Carroll 1). Evidence of this phenomenon has been found most prevalently in heart transplant recipients. Though cellular memory may seem too far- fetched for some, several scientists and physicians have looked further into it as a valid concept and have come up with various theories to try and gain more understanding of it.

James Van Praagh, one of the “foremost spiritual mediums in the world” (James 1), speculates that cellular memory is due to the presence of the donor’s spirit that has not yet moved on to its next home. Praagh is a “survival evidence medium,” one that is able to make connections between the world of the living and the world of the dead by providing proof of life after death through detailed messages. In his own words, he “feels the emotions and personalities of the deceased” (James 1), much like Whoopi Goldberg in the film, Ghost. Praagh points out that donated organs often come from young people

who were killed in unexpected ways, and died quickly. Because their spirits feel they have not yet completed their time on earth, they may linger in whatever physical aspect of them is still being put to use; in this case, their donated heart (Sylvia 229).

An extension of this theory, developed by other spiritual mediums, suggests that because of the suddenness of many donors’ deaths, the donor’s spirit may not have yet realized

that its body is dead. Thus, the transplanted heart continues to function as if it were in its original body, not realizing that its original owner is no longer there (Pearsall 119). Theories such as these are indeed very intriguing and do seem to make sense for cellular memory. However, because theories involving spiritual phenomena are somewhat elusive and difficult to prove scientifically, many people are reluctant to accept them as truth....

With further investigation of cellular memory, perhaps someday we will be able to really unlock the heart’s mysteries and memories and truly understand what the statement,

“knowing by heart,” means.

[Igakusei]

Thus, the transplanted heart continues to function as if it were in its original body, not realizing that its original owner is no longer there (Pearsall 119).

What does that mean, specifically? That it keeps beating? You can turn stem cells into heart cells in a petri dish and they'll start beating on their own, so I guess I don't understand what the big deal is, unless he's talking about some other "function" of the heart.

[fccool]

What this is talking about is the theory that circulatory system serve some personality and memory function. If we take it a step further, it implies that our bodies may have "memory states" independent from the brain on the subconscious level, that's not necessarily located in the brain itself, but is assimilated from the body as a whole.

[Gail]

What this is talking about is the theory that circulatory system serve some personality and memory function. If we take it a step further, it implies that our bodies may have "memory states" independent from the brain on the subconscious level, that's not necessarily located in the brain itself, but is assimilated from the body as a whole.

Yes, I've heard that, too, from a couple of sources. One was referring to a NOVA program that I was not able to access from my computer.

[Dottie]

It seems a little bit too close to spiritism for my comfort.

[Tallmark]

It's not, Dottie. There's also grey matter around the stomach. They taught us that in medical school at Fort Sam Houston TX. Most docs haven't been taught that though. Freaky things have happened to those who were the recipients of organ(esp. heart) transplants. Once a guy committed suicide. His heart went to a man who later married the deceased's widow only to commit suicide some years later. Others who had no craving for beer in their life, now "throw back a few" after the transplants. It really is strange what happens with a transplant. Bottom line: take care of your body because you don't want new parts installed. They may malfunction!

[Gail]

It seems a little bit too close to spiritism for my comfort.

I don't think so, Dottie. I think in this case it's science catching up with a Biblical principle. If you read up on the heart, you find things that are a little out of place with the idea that "heart" means "brain".

I'm interested in what the scientists will discover as time goes on. I've been curious over such Biblical statements as those that tell us to love God with all our heart, mind and soul.

[Twilight II]

When this simple principle is understood, the Bible begins to make a lot more sense.

So does "Biblical Psychology"...

We "love" with our hearts, everyone pretty much accepts that subconsciously.

So the "heart" is the seat of the "emotions".

Our thoughts are deriven from our "emotional" state.

It also explains why God writes His Law in our "hearts" and "minds".

We are much more complex than 20th century psychology allows.

Just as the Bible states.

[Pockey]

Old and recent neuroScientific research by Dr Armour and many others points to the existence of a brain in the heart. This would explain the long msytery of why the bible, starting from Ge6:5 refers to the heart as a decision making organ. This would also explain why verses like Matthew 22:37 distinguish heart, soul and mind. The bible has always known that the heart has a brain but science was lagging behind. jeremiah 17:9 is clearer to me now.

Where's the evidence for this? Can you post links for this?

The 'heart' in the bible is a metaphor.

[GoLions]

have you ever had your heart broken?

When mine was, I felt it in the heart...its as real as it gets. I don't need any Dr. to tell me it's true or not.

[phkrause]

have you ever had your heart broken?

When mine was, I felt it in the heart...its as real as it gets. I don't need any Dr. to tell me it's true or not.

And if I'm not mistaken the Bible says Jesus died of a broken heart or was it EGW.

[Dr. Rich]

No, the disciples never said that Jesus died of a broken heart. It was EGW who was mistaken as those who wrote many songs about this were too.

Jesus was the Passover Lamb. I never did read where the passover lamb jumped up on the table and died of a broken heart.

God didn't tell Adam that he would die of a broken heart if he ate of the tree of knowledge of good and evil.

Abraham didn't tell his son that he would die of a broken heart when he was put on the altar.

In FACT-Jesus was excuted by His own Father as this was the same punishment that should have been for Adam, but for Michael accepting to take Adam's place.

Yes, I know that most of you do not see it this way, but then most of you have been sold a false bill of goods too as Satan was and is a master of deception!