1001 Quotes from The Spirit of Prophecy and Other Sources

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Quote #12.

"Those who claim to be the children of God are in no case to bind up with the labor unions that are formed or that shall be formed. This the Lord forbids. Cannot those who study the prophecies see and understand what is before us?" -- Letter 201, 1902.

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Quote #12.

"Those who claim to be the children of God are in no case to bind up with the labor unions that are formed or that shall be formed. This the Lord forbids. Cannot those who study the prophecies see and understand what is before us?" -- Letter 201, 1902.

I've been trying to stay out of this thread, but, seriously ? On what basis ?

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Originally Posted By: Q.E.D.

Quote #12.

"Those who claim to be the children of God are in no case to bind up with the labor unions that are formed or that shall be formed. This the Lord forbids. Cannot those who study the prophecies see and understand what is before us?" -- Letter 201, 1902.

I've been trying to stay out of this thread, but, seriously ? On what basis ?

"20 If we have forgotten the name of our God, or stretched out our hands to a strange god;

21 Shall not God search this out? for he knoweth the secrets of the heart.

22 Yea, for thy sake are we killed all the day long; we are counted as sheep for the slaughter.

23 Awake, why sleepest thou, O Lord? arise, cast us not off for ever.

24 Wherefore hidest thou thy face, and forgettest our affliction and our oppression?

25 For our soul is bowed down to the dust: our belly cleaveth unto the earth.

26 Arise for our help, and redeem us for thy mercies' sake."(Ps 44:20-26)

"6 For I will not trust in my bow, neither shall my sword save me."(Ps 44:6)

TRADE UNIONS

"The wicked are being bound up in bundles, bound up in trusts, in unions, in confederacies. Let us have nothing to do with these organizations. God is our Ruler, our Governor, and He calls us to come out from the world and be separate. "Come out from among them, and be ye separate, saith the Lord, and touch not the unclean thing" [2 Cor. 6:17]. If we refuse to do this, if we continue to link up with the world and to look at every matter from a worldly standpoint, we shall become like the world. When worldly policy and worldly ideas govern our transactions we cannot stand on the high and holy platform of eternal truth" -- 4BC 1142 (1903).

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Quote #13.

TRADE UNIONS

"The wicked are being bound up in bundles, bound up in trusts, in unions, in confederacies. Let us have nothing to do with these organizations. God is our Ruler, our Governor, and He calls us to come out from the world and be separate. "Come out from among them, and be ye separate, saith the Lord, and touch not the unclean thing" [2 Cor. 6:17]. If we refuse to do this, if we continue to link up with the world and to look at every matter from a worldly standpoint, we shall become like the world. When worldly policy and worldly ideas govern our transactions we cannot stand on the high and holy platform of eternal truth." -- 4BC 1142 (1903).

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"20 If we have forgotten the name of our God, or stretched out our hands to a strange god;

21 Shall not God search this out? for he knoweth the secrets of the heart.

22 Yea, for thy sake are we killed all the day long; we are counted as sheep for the slaughter.

23 Awake, why sleepest thou, O Lord? arise, cast us not off for ever.

24 Wherefore hidest thou thy face, and forgettest our affliction and our oppression?

25 For our soul is bowed down to the dust: our belly cleaveth unto the earth.

26 Arise for our help, and redeem us for thy mercies' sake."(Ps 44:20-26)

"6 For I will not trust in my bow, neither shall my sword save me."(Ps 44:6)

TRADE UNIONS

"The wicked are being bound up in bundles, bound up in trusts, in unions, in confederacies. Let us have nothing to do with these organizations. God is our Ruler, our Governor, and He calls us to come out from the world and be separate. "Come out from among them, and be ye separate, saith the Lord, and touch not the unclean thing" [2 Cor. 6:17]. If we refuse to do this, if we continue to link up with the world and to look at every matter from a worldly standpoint, we shall become like the world. When worldly policy and worldly ideas govern our transactions we cannot stand on the high and holy platform of eternal truth" -- 4BC 1142 (1903).

OK - I see no point in even responding to that. So, the church should not care about any form of human injustice ? I assume this means we should not support human organisations that seek to feed the starving, for example ?

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Quote #14.

"Adam and Eve, at their creation, had a knowledge of the law of God. It was printed on their hearts, and they understood its claims upon them." MS 99, 1902.

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Quote #15.

"My brethren, do you realize that your own salvation, as well as the destiny of other souls, depends upon the preparation you now make for the trial before us? Have you that intensity of zeal, that piety and devotion, which will enable you to stand when opposition shall be brought against you? If God has ever spoken by me, the time will come when you will be brought before councils, and every position of truth which you hold will be severely criticized. The time that so many are now allowing to go to waste should be devoted to the charge that God has given us of preparing for the approaching crisis."(5T, 716-717)

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Quote #16.

"Christ never planted the seeds of death in the system. Satan planted these seeds when he tempted Adam to eat of the tree of knowledge, which meant disobedience to God. Not one noxious plant was placed in the Lord's great garden, but after Adam and Eve sinned, poisonous herbs sprang up. In the parable of the sower the question was asked the master, "Didst not thou sow good seed in thy field? From whence then hath it tares?" The master answered, "An enemy hath done this." [Matthew 13:27, 28.] All tares are sown by the evil one. Every noxious herb is of his sowing, and by his ingenious methods of amalgamation he has corrupted the earth with tares." {16MR 247.2}

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So, the church should not care about any form of human injustice?

AMERICAN SLAVERY BEFORE THE CIVIL WAR

"All heaven beholds with indignation human beings, the workmanship of God, reduced by their fellow men to the lowest depths of degradation and placed on a level with the brute creation. Professed followers of that dear Saviour whose compassion was ever moved at the sight of human woe, heartily engage in this enormous and grievous sin, and deal in slaves and souls of men. Human agony is carried from place to place and bought and sold. Angels have recorded it all; it is written in the book. The tears of the pious bondmen and bondwomen, of fathers, mothers, and children, brothers and sisters, are all bottled up in heaven. God will restrain His anger but little longer. His wrath burns against this nation and especially against the religious bodies that have sanctioned this terrible traffic and have themselves engaged in it. Such injustice, such oppression, such sufferings, are looked upon with heartless indifference by many professed followers of the meek and lowly Jesus. And many of them can themselves inflict, with hateful satisfaction, all this indescribable agony; and yet they dare to worship God. It is solemn mockery; Satan exults over it and reproaches Jesus and His angels with such inconsistency, saying, with hellish triumph, "Such are Christ's followers!" {Early Writings, page 275.1}

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BibleOnly, this is NOT a "bible only" thread. Take it or leave it, don't disparage it. Many of us enjoy conversing about the counsel of the Lords messenger, Ellen White. If you have a question about a particular quote and wish to oppose it, start a thread on that quote. No need to do your bashing on this thread, the quotes don't apply to those groping in darkness.

Go, join a Union, knock yourself out, no one stopping you.

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Quote #14.

"Adam and Eve, at their creation, had a knowledge of the law of God. It was printed on their hearts, and they understood its claims upon them." MS 99, 1902.

This is a core SDA claim that the Bible does not support at all. They ate of the tree of knowledge of good and evil. Before that, how could they know the law, when they didn't even know what evil was ?

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BibleOnly, this is NOT a "bible only" thread. Take it or leave it, don't disparage it. Many of us enjoy conversing about the counsel of the Lords messenger, Ellen White. If you have a question about a particular quote and wish to oppose it, start a thread on that quote. No need to do your bashing on this thread, the quotes don't apply to those groping in darkness.

Go, join a Union, knock yourself out, no one stopping you.

AMEN!

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BibleOnly, this is NOT a "bible only" thread. Take it or leave it, don't disparage it. Many of us enjoy conversing about the counsel of the Lords messenger, Ellen White. If you have a question about a particular quote and wish to oppose it, start a thread on that quote. No need to do your bashing on this thread, the quotes don't apply to those groping in darkness.

Go, join a Union, knock yourself out, no one stopping you.

Fair enough, as I said, I've been happy to leave you guys 'groping in darkness' on this thread. I note that you regard Ellen White the difference between darkness and light, were you not one of those suggesting this was not your claim in the 'Ellen White' thread ?

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Quote #17.

"The law of God existed before man was created. It was adapted to the condition of holy beings; even angels were governed by it. After the fall, the principles of righteousness were unchanged. Nothing was taken from the law; not one of its holy precepts could be improved. And as it has existed from the beginning, so will it continue to exist throughout the ceaseless ages of eternity. 'Concerning Your testimonies,' says the Psalmist, 'I have known of old that You have founded them forever.'" E.G. White, Signs of the Times, April 15, 1886.

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DENISE

QUOTE 14 IS TRUE

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Amen!

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Quote #17.

"The law of God existed before man was created. It was adapted to the condition of holy beings; even angels were governed by it. After the fall, the principles of righteousness were unchanged. Nothing was taken from the law; not one of its holy precepts could be improved. And as it has existed from the beginning, so will it continue to exist throughout the ceaseless ages of eternity. 'Concerning Your testimonies,' says the Psalmist, 'I have known of old that You have founded them forever.'" E.G. White, Signs of the Times, April 15, 1886.

"The principles of the then commandments existed before the fall, and were of a character suited to the condition of a holy order of beings. After the fall, the principles of those precepts were not changed, but additional precepts were given to meet man in his fallen condition." 3 SG 295; 1 B.C.1104.

How many commandments do you think there were before these additional precepts were given?

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Quote #18.

"Our words, our actions, and our dress are daily, living preachers, gathering with Christ or scattering abroad. This is no trivial matter to be passed off with a jest. The subject of dress demands serious reflection and much prayer. Many unbelievers have felt that they were not doing right in permitting themselves to be slaves of fashion; but when they see some who make a high profession of godliness dressing as worldlings dress, enjoying frivolous society, they decide that there can be no wrong in such a course."(4T, 641)

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Quote #19.

"Before our brethren assemble in council or board meetings, each one should present himself before God, carefully searching the heart and critically examining the motives. Pray that the Lord may reveal self to you so that you may not unwisely criticize or condemn propositions.

At bountiful tables men often eat much more than can be easily digested. The overburdened stomach cannot do its work properly. The result is a disagreeable feeling of dullness in the brain, and the mind does not act quickly. Disturbance is created by improper combinations of food; fermentation sets in; the blood is contaminated and the brain confused.

The habit of overeating, or of eating too many kinds of food at one meal, frequently causes dyspepsia. Serious injury is thus done to the delicate digestive organs. In vain the stomach protests and appeals to the brain to reason from cause to effect. The excessive amount of food eaten, or the improper combination, does its injurious work. In vain do disagreeable premonitions give warning. Suffering is the consequence. Disease takes the place of health.

Some may ask, What has this to do with board meetings? Very much. The effects of wrong eating are brought into council and board meetings. The brain is affected by the condition of the stomach. A disordered stomach is productive of a disordered, uncertain state of mind. A diseased stomach produces a diseased condition of the brain and often makes one obstinate in maintaining erroneous opinions. The supposed wisdom of such a one is foolishness with God."(7T, 257)

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Quote #20. Omnipotent Will Of Man

"As the will of man co-operates with the will of God, it becomes omnipotent. Whatever is to be done at His command may be accomplished in His strength. All His biddings are enablings."

COL.333.002

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Quote #21. A Standing Rebuke

"No name which we can take will be appropriate but that which accords with our profession and expresses our faith and marks us a peculiar people. The name Seventh-day Adventist is a standing rebuke to the Protestant world. Here is the line of distinction between the worshipers of God and those who worship the beast and receive his mark. The great conflict is between the commandments of God and the requirements of the beast. It is because the saints are keeping all ten of the commandments that the dragon makes war upon them."(1T, 223)

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Quote #22. 62 Sunday / Sabbath Quotes

1 Candid Confessions of the Anglican Church!

“Where are we told in Scripture that we are to keep the first day at all? We are commanded to keep the seventh; but we are nowhere commanded to keep the first day...The reason why we keep the first day of the week holy instead of the seventh is for the same reason that we observe many other things, not because the Bible, but because the church has enjoined it.” Isaac Willliams, D. D., Plain Sermons

on the Catechism, Vol.1, pp 334-336

2 Candid Confessions of the Anglican Church!

“We have made the change from the seventh day to the first day, from Saturday to Sunday, on the authority of one holy Catholic Church.” Bishop Seymour, Why We Keep Sunday, Article 12

3 Candid Confessions of the Church of Christ!

“I do not believe that the Lord’s day came in the room (place) of the Jewish Sabbath, or that that the Sabbath was changed from the seventh to the first day, for this plain reason, where there is no testimony,there can be no faith. Now there is no testimony in all the Oracles that the Sabbath was changed, or that the Lord’s day came in the room (place) of it.” Quote from the founder of the Church of Christ, Alexander Campbell, in the Washington Reporter, Oct. 8, 1821.

4 Candid Confessions of the Church of Christ!

“There is no direct scriptural authority for designating the first day the Lord’s day.” Dr. D. H. Lucas, Christian Oracle, Jan. 23, 1890.

5 Candid Confessions of the Church of Christ!

“The seventh day was observed from Abrahams time, nay, from creation. The Jews itentified their own history with the institution of the Sabbath day. They loved and venerated it as a patriarchal usage.” “The evidence of Christianity” Page 302 Saint Louis: Christian Publishing co. 1906, Quoted from a debate between Robert Owen and Alexander Campbell (The founder of the Church of Christ), Saint Louis: Christian Publishing co. 1906.

6 Candid Confessions of the Church of Christ!

“But we do not find any direct command from God, or instruction from the risen Christ, or admonition from the early apostles, that the first day is to be substituted for the seventh day Sabbath.” “Let us be clear on this point. Though to the Christian ‘that day, the first day of the week’ is the most memorable of all days ... there is no command or warrant in the New Testament for observing it as a holy day.” “The Roman Church selected the first day of the week in honour of the resurrection of Christ. ...” Bible Standard, May, 1916, Auckland, New Zealand.

7 Candid Confessions of the Church of Christ!

“... If the fourth command is binding upon us Gentiles by all means keep it. But let those who demand a strict observance of the Sabbath remember that the seventh day is the ONLY sabbath day commanded, and God never repealed that command. If you would keep the Sabbath, keep it; but Sunday is not the Sabbath. The argument of the ‘Seventh-day Adventists’ is on one point unassailable. It is the Seventh day not the first day that the command refers to.” G. Alridge, Editor, The Bible Standard, April, 1916.

8 Candid Confessions of the Baptist Church!

“We Believe that the law of God is the eternal and imperishable rule of His moral government.” Baptist Church Manual

9 Candid Confessions of the Baptist Church!

“The first four commandments set forth man’s obligations directly toward God...The fourth commanment sets forth God’s claim on man’s time and thought...Not one of the Ten Words (the 10 Commandments) is of merely racial significance...The Sabbath was established originally (long before Moses) in no special connection with the Hebrews, but as an institution for all mankind, in comemoration of Gods’s rest after six days of creation. It was designed for all the descendants of Adam.” Adult Quarterly, Southern Baptist Convention series, Aug. 15, 1937

10 Candid Confessions of the Baptist Church!

“There was and is a commandment to keep holy the Sabbath day, but that Sabbath was not Sunday. Earnestly desiring information on this subject, which I have studied for many years, I ask, where can the record of such a transaction be found? Not in the New Testament; absolutely not. There is no Scriptural evidence of the change of the Sabbath institution from the seventh to the first day of the week ... Of course, I quite well know that Sunday did come into use in early Christian history as a religious day. But what a pity that it comes branded with the mark of paganism and christened withthe name of the sun god, when adopted and sanctioned by the papal apostasy, and bequeathed as a sacred legacy to protestantism.” “ Dr. Edward T. Hiscox, author of The Baptist Manual (still in print!!), in a paper read before New York ministers’ conference held Nov. 13, 1893

11 Candid Confessions of the Congregationalist Church!

“The current notion that Christ and His apostles authoritatively substituted the first day for the seventh, is absolutely without authority in the New Testament.” Dr. Lyman Abbott, Christian Union, Jan 19, 1882.

12 Candid Confessions of the Congregationalist Church!

“It must be confessed that there is no law in the New Testament concerning the first day (Sunday).” Buck’s Theological Dictionary

13 Candid Confessions of the Congregationalist Church!

“It is clear that, however rigidly or devoutly we may spend Sunday, we are not keeping the Sabbath...The Sabbath was founded on a specific divine command. We can plead no such command for the obligation to observe Sunday ... There is not a single sentence in the New Testament to suggest that we incur any penalty by violating the supposed sanctity of Sunday.” Dr. Dale, The Ten Commandments, pp. 106, 107.

14 Candid Confessions of the Lutheran Church!

“I wonder exceedingly how it came to be imputed to me that I should reject the law of Ten Commandments...Whosoever abrogates the law must of necessity abrogate sin also.” Martin Luther, Spiritual Antichrist, pages 71, 72

15 Candid Confessions of the Lutheran Church!

“The observance of the Lord’s Day (Sunday) is founded not on any command of God, but on the authority of the Church.” Augsburg Confession of Faith.

16 Candid Confessions of the Lutheran Church!

“They (the Catholics) allege the Sabbath changed into Sunday, the Lord’s day, contrary to the decalogue, as it appears, neither is there any example more boasted of than the changing of the Sabbath day. Great, they say, is the power and authority of the church, since it dispensed with one of the Ten Commandments.” Martin Luther, Augsburg Confession of Faith, Article 28 par. 9.

17 Candid Confessions of the Lutheran Church!

“But they err in teaching that Sunday has taken the place of the Old Testament Sabbath and therefore must be kept as the seventh day had to be kept by the children of Israel. In other words, they insist that Sunday is the divinely appointed New Testament Sabbath, and so they endeavor to enforce the Sabbatical observance of Sunday by so-called blue laws... These churches err in their teaching, for Scripture has in no way ordained the first day of the week in place of the Sabbath. There is simply no law in the New Testament to that effect.” John T. Mueller, Sabbath or Sunday?, Pages 15, 16.

18 Candid Confessions of the Methodist Church!

“This ‘handwriting of ordinances’ our Lord did blot out, take away, and nail to His cross. (Colossians 2;14). But the moral law contained in the Ten Commandments, and enforced by the prophets, He did not take away,,,The moral law (the Ten Commandments) stands on an entirely different foundation from the ceremonial or ritual law...Every part of this law must remain in force upon all mankind and in all ages.” John Wesley, Sermons on Several Occasions, 2 vol, ed., Vol. 1, pages 221, 222

19 Candid Confessions of the Methodist Church!

“The Sabbbath was made for MAN; not for the Hebrews, but for all men.” E.O. Haven, Pillars of Truth, Page 88.

20 Candid Confessions of the Methodist Church!

“It is true that there is no positive command for infant baptism. Nor is there any for keeping holy the first day of the week. Many believe that Christ changed the sabbath. But, from his own words, we see that he came for no such purpose. Those who believe that Jesus changed the sabbath base it ONLY on a SUPPOSITION.” -Amos Binney, “Theological Compendium” pp. 180-181

21 Candid Confessions of the Methodist Church!

“The Sabbath instituted in the beginning, and confirmed again and again by Moses and the prophets, has never been abrogated. A part of the moral law, not a jot or a tittle of its sanctity has been taken away.” Bishops Pastoral.

22 Candid Confessions of the Moody Bible Institute!

“The Sabbath was binding in Eden, and it has been in force ever since. The fourth commandment begins with the word ‘remember’ showing that the Sabbath already existed when God wrote the law on the tables of stone at Sinai. How can men claim that this one commandment has been done away when they will admit that the other nine are still binding?” Dwight L. Moody, Weighed and Wanting, Page 47.

23 Candid Confessions of the Moody Bible Institute!

“When Christ was on earth He did nothing to set it (the Sabbath) aside; He freed it from the traces under which the scribes and Pharisees had put it, and gave it its true place. ‘The Sabbath was made for man, and not man for the Sabbath.’ It is just as practicable and as necessary for men today as it ever was—in fact, more than ever, because we live in such an intense age.” Dwight L. Moody, Weighed and Wanting, Page 46

24 Candid Confessions of Presbyterian Church!

“The Sabbath is part of the decalogue — The Ten commandments. This alone forever settles the question as to the perpetuity of the institution...Until therefore it can be shown that the whole moral law has been repealed, the Sabbath will stand... The teaching of Christ confirms the perpetuity of the Sabbath.” T.C. Blake, D. D., Theology Condensed, Pages 474, 475.

25 Candid Confessions of Presbyterian Church!

“We must not imagine that the coming of Christ has freed us from the authority of the law; for it is the eternal rule of a devout and holy life, and must therefore be as unchangeable as the justice of God, which it embraced, is constant and uniform.” John Calvin, Commentary on a Harmony of the

Gospels, Volume 1, Page 277.

26 Candid Confessions of Presbyterian Church!

“For the permanency of the Sabbath, we might argue for its place in the decalogue, where it stands enshrined among the moralities of a rectitude that is immutable and everlasting.” Thomas Chalmers, D. D., Sermons, Volume 1, page 51

27 Candid Confessions of Presbyterian Church!

“The Christian Sabbath (Sunday) is not in the Scriptures, and was not by the primitive church called the Sabbath.” Dwight’s Theology, Vol. 14, p. 401.

28 Candid Confessions of Presbyterian Church!

“A further argument for the perpetuity of the Sabbath we have in Matthew 24:20, Pray ye that your flight be not in the winter neither on the Sabbath day. But the final destruction of Jerusalem was after the Christian dispensation was fully set up (AD 70). Yet it is plainly implied in these words of the Lord that even then Christians were bound to strict observation of the Sabbath.”Works of Jonathon Edwards, (Presby.) Vol. 4, p. 621.

29 Candid Confessions of the Catholic Church!

“From this same Catholic Church you have accepted your Sunday, and that Sunday, as the Lord’s day, she had handed down as a tradition; and the entire Protestant world has accepted it as tradition, for you have not an iota of Scripture to establish it. Therefore that which you have accepted as your rule of faith, inadequate as it of course it is, as well as your Sunday, you have accepted on the authority of the Roman Catholic Church.” D. B. Ray, The Papal Controversy, 1892, page 179

30 Candid Confessions of the Catholic Church!

“I have repeatedly offered $1000 to anyone who can prove to me from the Bible alone that I am bound to keep Sunday holy. There is no such law in the Bible. It is a law of the holy Catholic Church alone. The Bible says, ‘Remember the Sabbath day to keep it holy.’ The Catholic Church says: ‘No. By my divine power I abolish the Sabbath day and command you to keep holy the first day of the week.’ And lo! The entire civilized world bows down in a reverent obedience to the command of the holy Catholic Church. Priest Thomas Enright, CSSR, President of Redemptorist College, Kansas City, Missouri, in a lecture at Hartford, Kansas, and printed in the American Sentinel, June 1883, a New York Roman Catholic journal.

31 Candid Confessions of the Catholic Church!

“The Catholic Church for over one thousand years before the existence of a Protestant, by virtue of her Divine mission, changed the day [of worship] from Saturday to Sunday. ... The Christian Sabbath is therefore to this day the acknowledged offspring of the Catholic Church, as Spouse of the Holy Ghost, without a word of remonstrance from the Protestant world.” Editorial, The Catholic Mirror (Baltimore), September 23, 1893.

32 Candid Confessions of the Catholic Church!

“You may read the Bible from Genesis to Revelation, and you will not find a single line authorizing the sanctification of Sunday. The Scriptures enforce the religious observance of Saturday, a day which we never sanctify.” Cardinal Gibbons (for many years head of the Catholic Church in America), The Faith of Our Fathers (92d ed., rev.; Baltimore: John Murphy Company), p. 89.

33 Candid Confessions of the Catholic Church!

“Reason and sense demand the acceptance of one or the other of these alternatives: either Protestantism and the keeping holy of Saturday or Catholicity and he keeping holy of Sunday. Compromise is impossible.” James Cardinal Gibbons, Catholic Mirror, Dec. 23, 1893.

34 Candid Confessions of the Catholic Church!

“Nowhere in the Bible do we find that Christ or the Apostles ordered that the Sabbath be changed from Saturday to Sunday. We have the commandment of God given to Moses to keep holy the Sabbath Day, that is the 7th day of the week, Saturday. Today most Christians keep Sunday because it has been revealed to us by the [Catholic] Church outside the Bible.” “To Tell You the Truth,” The Catholic Virginian, 22 (October 3, 1947), 9.

35 Candid Confessions of the Catholic Church!

“The Divine institution of a day of rest from ordinary occupations and of religious worship, transferred by the authority of the [Catholic] Church from the Sabbath, the last day, to Sunday the first day of the week, ... is one of the most patent signs that we are a Christian people.” James Cardinal Gibbons, The Cross and the Flag, Our Church and Country (New York: The Catholic Historical League of America, 1899), pp. 24, 25.

36 Candid Confessions of the Catholic Church!

“Sunday is founded, not on Scripture, but on tradition, and is distinctly a Catholic institution. As there is no Scripture for the transfer of the day of rest from the last to the first day of the week, Protestants ought to keep their Sabbath on Saturday and thus leave Catholics in full possession of Sunday.” Catholic Record, Sept. 17, 1893

37 Candid Confessions of the Catholic Church!

“They (the Protestants) deem it their duty to keep the Sunday Holy. Why? Because the Catholic Church tells them to do so. They have no other reason... The observance of Sunday thus comes to be an ecclesiastical law entirely distinct from the divine law of Sabbath observance... The author of theSunday law... is the Catholic Church.” Ecclesicastical Review, Feb. 1914.

38 Candid Confessions of the Catholic Church!

“Q. Which is the Sabbath Day?

“A. Saturday is the Sabbath day.

“Q. Why do we observe Sunday instead of Saturday?

“A. We observe Sunday instead of Saturday because the Catholic Church transferred the solemnity from Saturday to Sunday.” Peter Guierman, The Convert’s Catechism of Catholic Doctrine (1957 ed.), p. 50. Copyright

1930 by B. Herder Book Co., St. Louis.

39 Candid Confessions of the Catholic Church!

“Nowhere in the Bible is it stated that worship should be changed from Saturday to Sunday.” Martin J. Scott, Things Catholics Are Asked About (New York: P. J. Kennedy & Sons) p. 136.

40 Candid Confessions of the Catholic Church!

“Q. Have you any other way of proving that the [Catholic] Church has power to institute festivals of precept?

“A. Had she not such power, she could not have done that in which all modern religionists agree with her; ... she could not have substituted the observance of Sunday the first day of the week, for the observance of Saturday the seventh day, a change for which there is no Scriptural authority.” Stephen Keenan, A Doctrinal Catechism (3rd American ed., rev.; New York: T. W. Strong, late Edward Dunigan & Bro., 1876), p. 174.

41 Candid Confessions of the Catholic Church!

“But the Protestant says: How can I receive the teachings of an apostate Church? How, we ask, have you managed to receive her teachings all your life, in direct opposition to your recognized teacher, the Bible, on the Sabbath question?” The Christian Sabbath (2nd ed.; Baltimore: The Catholic Mirror, 1893), p. 29, 30.

42 Candid Confessions of the Catholic Church!

“If Protestants would follow the Bible, they should worship God on the Sabbath Day. In keeping Sunday they are following a law of the Catholic Church.” Albert Smith (Chancellor of the Catholic Archdiocise of Baltimore), replying for the Cardinal in a letter of February 10, 1920.)

43 Candid Confessions of the Catholic Church!

“It was the Catholic Church which, by the authority of JESUS CHRIST, has transferred this [sabbath] rest to the Sunday in remembrance of the resurrection of our Lord. Thus the observance of Sunday by the Protestants is an homage they pay, in spite of themselves, to the authority of the

[Catholic] Church.” Louis Gaston de Segur, Plain Talk About The Protestantism of To-day (Boston: Patrick Donahoe, 1868), p. 225.

44 Candid Confessions of the Catholic Church!

“Protestantism, in discarding the authority of the [Catholic] Church, has no good reason for its Sunday theory, and ought, logically, to keep Saturday as the Sabbath. ...” John Gilmary Shae, “The Observance of Sunday and Civil Laws for Its Enforcement,” The American Catholic Quarterly Review, 8 (January, 1883), 152.

45 Candid Confessions of the Catholic Church!

“The (Catholic) Church changed the observance of the Sabbath to Sunday by right of the divine, infallible authority given to her by her Founder, Jesus Christ. The Protestant, claiming the Bible to be the only guide of faith, has no warrant for observing Sunday. In this matter the Seventh Day Adventist is the only consistent Protestant.” “The Question Box,” The Catholic Universe Bulletin, 69 (August 14, 1942), 4.

46 Candid Confessions of the Catholic Church!

“The Israelite respects the authority of the Old Testament only, but the [seventh-day] Adventist, who is a Christian, accepts the New Testament on the same ground as the Old, viz: an inspired record also. He finds that the Bible, his teacher, is consistent in both parts, that the Redeemer, during His mortal life never kept any other day than Saturday. The Gospels plainly evince to Him this fact; whilst, in the pages of the Acts of the Apostles, the Epistles and the Apocalypse, not the vistige of an act canceling the Saturday arrangement can be found.” Editorial, The Catholic Mirror (Baltimore), September

2, 1893.

47 Candid Confessions of the Catholic Church!

“If the Bible is the only guide for the Christian, then the Seventh Day Adventist is right in observing the Saturday with the Jew.” Bertrand L. Conway, The Question Box Answers (New York: The Columbus Press, 1910), p. 254.

48 Candid Confessions of the Catholic Church!

“If you follow the Bible alone there can be no question that you are obliged to keep Saturday holy, since that is the day especially prescribed by Almighty God to be kept holy to the Lord.” F. G. Lentz, The Question Box (New York: Christian Press Association, 1900), p. 98.

49 Candid Confessions of the Catholic Church!

“The Sabbath was Saturday, not Sunday. The Church altered the observance of the Sabbath to the observance of Sunday. Protestants must be rather puzzled by the keeping of Sunday when God distinctly said, ‘Keep holy the Sabbath Day.’ The word Sunday does not come anywhere in the Bible, so, without knowing it they are obeying the authority of the Catholic Church.” Canon Cafferata,

The Catechism Explained, p. 89.

50 Candid Confessions of the Catholic Church!

Father Conway: “If the Bible is the only guide for the Christian then the Seventh-day Adventist is right in observing the Saturday with the Jew. But Catholics learn what to believe and do from the Catholic Church, which in Apostolic times made Sunday the day of rest. ... Is it not strange that those who make the Bible their only teacher should inconsistently follow in this matter the tradition of the Church.” Question Box Answers, an official publication of the Catholic Church.

51 Candid Confessions of the Catholic Church!

Plain Talk: “The observance of Sunday by Protestants is an homage they pay, in spite of themselves, to the authority of the (Catholic) Church.” Plain Talk about Protestantism of Today, by Msgr. Segur (RC).

52 Candid Confessions of the Catholic Church!

John O’Brien, Ph.D., LL.D.: “But since Saturday, not Sunday, is specified in the Bible, isn’t it curious that non-Catholics who profess to take their religion directly from the Bible, and not the Church, observe Sunday instead of Saturday? Yes of course, it is inconsistent; but this change was made about 15 centuries before Protestantism was born, and by that time the custom was universally observed. They have continued the custom, even though it rests upon the authority of the Catholic Church and not upon an explicit text in the Bible. That observance remains as a reminder of the Mother Church from which the non-Catholic sects broke away - like a boy running away from home but still carrying in his pocket a picture of his mother or a lock of her hair.” Faith of Millions, pp. 543 and 544.

53 Candid Confessions of the Catholic Church!

“Hence, the conclusion is inevitable; namely that of those who follow the Bible as their guide, the Israelites and the Seventh-day Adventists have the exclusive weight of evidence on their side, whilst the Biblical Protestant has not a word in self defense for his substitution of Sunday for Saturday.”

Catholic Mirror.

54 Candid Confessions of the Church of England!

“Many people think that Sunday is the Sabbath. But neither in the New Testament nor in the early church is there anything to suggest that we have any right to transfer the observance of the seventh day of the week to the first. The Sabbath was and is Saturday and not Sunday, and if it were binding on us then we should observe it on that day, and on no other.” Rev. Lionel Beere, All-Saints Church, Ponsonby, N.Z. in Church and People, Sept. 1, 1947.

55 Candid Confessions of the Church of England!

“Nowhere in the Bible is it laid down that worship should be done on Sunday. Remember the Sabbath day to keep it holy. ...! That is Saturday.” P. Carrington, Archbishop of Quebec, Oct. 27, 1949.

56 Candid Confessions of the Church of England!

“Where are we told in Scripture that we are to keep the first day at all? We are commanded to keep the Seventh; but we are nowhere commanded to keep the first day. The reason why we keep the first day holy instead of the seventh is for the same reason that we observe many things, not because the Bible, but because the Church, has enjoined them.” Rev. Isaac Williams, Ser. on Cathechism, p. 334.

57 Candid Confessions of the Church of England!

“The seventh day, the commandment says, is the Sabbath of the Lord thy God. No kind of arithmetic, no kind of almanac, can make seven equal one, nor the seventh mean the first, nor Saturday mean Sunday. ... The fact is that we are all Sabbath breakers, every one of us.” Rev. Geo. Hodges.

58 Brethren:

“With the views of the law and the Sabbath we once held ... and which are still held by perhaps the great majority of the most earnest Christians, we confess that we could not answer Adventists. What is more, neither before or since have I heard or read what would conclusively answer an Adventist in his Scriptural contention that the Seventh day is the Sabbath (Ex. 20:10). It is not ‘one day in seven’ as some put it, but ‘the seventh day according to the commandment.’ “ Words of Truth and Grace, p. 281.

59 Salvation Army:

Copy of an Affidavit by Louis Currow, Minister in Ballarat, Victoria, Australia:

"I, Louis Currow of Ballarat, do solemnly and sincerely declare THAT, I did hear the following statement made by General William Booth, the founder of the Salvation Army at an Officers’ meeting in the City Temple, Bourke Street, Melbourne. VIZ. Friends, don’t you know that we are not keeping the true Sabbath. Two other officers and myself took our stand for the Sabbath, also a lady sergeant major, that heard the statement from his lips. And I make this solemn declaration ... etc. Declared at Ballarat in the state of Victoria, 10th May, 1934, before me, (signed) F.A.Cooper, J.P."

60 ENCYCLOPEDIA BRITANNICA:

“It was Constantine the Great who first made a law for the proper observance of Sunday; who appointed it should be regularly celebrated throughout the Roman Empire.” Article Sunday.

61 ENCYCLOPEDIA AMERICANA:

“Constantine the Great made a law for the whole empire (AD 321) that Sunday should be kept as a day of rest.”

62 CHAMBERS ENCYCLOPEDIA:

“Unquestionably the first law, either ecclesiastical or civil, by which the Sabbatical observance of Sunday is known to have been ordained, is the Sabbatical edict of Constantine, AD 321.” Art. Sunday.

[Dr. Rich]

Originally Posted By: Q.E.D.

Quote #14.

"Adam and Eve, at their creation, had a knowledge of the law of God. It was printed on their hearts, and they understood its claims upon them." MS 99, 1902.

This is a core SDA claim that the Bible does not support at all. They ate of the tree of knowledge of good and evil. Before that, how could they know the law, when they didn't even know what evil was ?

BibleOnly, I totally agree. There are LOTS more questions like this that SDA leaders and teachers and pastors refused to even discuss.

[Q.E.D.]

Quote #23. The Least Disciple

"Aside from the joy that John found in his mission, his life had been one of sorrow. His voice had been seldom heard except in the wilderness. His was a lonely lot. And he was not permitted to see the result of his own labors. It was not his privilege to be with Christ and witness the manifestation of divine power attending the greater light. It was not for him to see the blind restored to sight, the sick healed, and the dead raised to life. He did not behold the light that shone through every word of Christ, shedding glory upon the promises of prophecy. The least disciple who saw Christ's mighty works and heard His words was in this sense more highly privileged than John the Baptist, and therefore is said to have been greater than he."(DA, 220)

[Q.E.D.]

Quote #24. A Deep Mystery of Dark Providence

"To many minds a deep mystery surrounds the fate of John the Baptist. They question why he should have been left to languish and die in prison. The mystery of this dark providence our human vision cannot penetrate; but it can never shake our confidence in God when we remember that John was but a sharer in the sufferings of Christ. All who follow Christ will wear the crown of sacrifice. They will surely be misunderstood by selfish men, and will be made a mark for the fierce assaults of Satan. It is this principle of self-sacrifice that his kingdom is established to destroy, and he will war against it wherever manifested."(DA, 223)

[Q.E.D.]

Quote #25. Earthly Possesions

"God proves us by trusting us with earthly possessions. If we are faithful to impart freely of what He has lent us, to advance His cause, God can entrust to us the immortal inheritance. "Ye cannot serve God and mammon." "If any man love the world, the love of the Father is not in him.""(1T, 199)