True Christian Unity And “His” Church

[Gibs]

Many denominations today and peoples claim to have “Christian Unity.” But how true is this and what are they in unity with if not Christ. That I find is the core issue of Christian Unity is that it must be Unity fully and in harmony totally with Jesus Christ.

Unity let’s say in a Catholic church of the doctrines held and the faith in their leader, the Pope as their head and the teaching of their church and it’s bishops is for sure a unity of the faith of the faithful of it.

How much difference then is that from all the other denominations of Christianity? Don’t all of them also have set themselves up a visible head and have rules, doctrines of their denomination?

But now is that a Unity with the One that matters? No, of course not. What is that a unity of then? It is a unity of that organization that has taken themselves a “king” other than Jesus Christ.

So we see that a uniting of people upon doctrines and agreement in belief and principles is not Christian Unity. Submission to an order of a church organization of men and it’s government is not Christian Unity.

Unity in purpose and effort among them in promoting a cause is not Christian Unity. Also an association of Christians in all these things is not Christian Unity.

So then what is True Christian Unity? It can only be one thing, each one or member is ONE with and in Jesus Christ and He in them. Each one of these is a spiritual Member of His Body, His Church that He the Rock of Ages has Organized. It is His Organization, He is it’s Head and each Member in it one in Him and He in them and there is perfect harmony among them all, His Body, His Church. They are led only of Him and know only His Voice and the Quality of that Voice is the TRUTH, His Holy Word that they can know Him by here and now.

Any then any who stray away from this Body, flock, desiring the smooth things preached or things of this world the old wolf is a waiting hid in the ways, tares, weeds of the world and grabs them away if they don’t turn back in time and that old wolf devours them.

Much can be found out how Jesus Christ keeps His Church in the Way and in Perfect Harmony by reading Acts and after Pentecost How He, Jesus Christ sent out the Apostles and where to go and not to go and whom to add and be baptized of the Holy Spirit to minister the True Gospel into all the World at that time. This is the only one that has ever been the True Christian Church. It is the one the Gates of Hell have never prevailed against and never can. It is alive and well and very vibrantly alive as it’s Head is Jesus Christ and He is the Life of it.

Yes of course there were tares as the enemy has sowed the seeds of them. Today too many go forth as ministers of His Church who are wolves in sheep’s clothing sowing more and more tare seed and so the harvest gets thinner and thinner. It must be seen today the tares are far greater in number than the plants of the True Seed.

This Church is the small Remnant Piece of that first Jesus Christ Set up and He is it’s Organizer and it’s One and only Head,

Yes it is the small Remnant Piece as a remnant piece always is, but only in percentage wise of the seven billion peoples today. Did you think Jesus would be proven wrong when He said, Mt 7:13 Enter ye in at the strait gate: for wide is the gate, and broad is the way, that leadeth to destruction, and many there be which go in thereat:

Mt 7:14 Because strait is the gate, and narrow is the way, which leadeth unto life, and few there be that find it.

Much more can be said and understood but this is more than enough at once.

1Jo 4:4 ¶ Ye are of God, little children, and have overcome them: because greater is he that is in you, than he that is in the world.

[BibleOnly]

I think there's some good points here. Christian unity is all being united with Christ, not each other. But, if we're all united in Christ, it stands to reason we're united with each other. for example, I don't think you could say all the SDA has unity, with the variety of belief I've been told is accepted within it. One part of it may well be united with Christ, but not all.

I also think that a Catholic nowadays would define their view of the pope and mary much the way the SDA defines it's relationship with Ellen White, so I'm not sure what the difference is.

[Gibs]

Yes for sure, True Christian Unity is only of those united in Him Only and then these make up His Church. We know we can't be part way His, He Requires our All.

Mt 16:17 And Jesus answered and said unto him, Blessed art thou, Simon Barjona: for flesh and blood hath not revealed it unto thee, but my Father which is in heaven.

1Jo 4:4 ¶ Ye are of God, little children, and have overcome them: because greater is he that is in you, than he that is in the world.

[Gibs]

Dear ones, who have read my post, what is your conclusion of this matter? Whose Church is it? Whose organization is the True Church? Does His Spirit that is in all places at all times and is All Powerful need men to set up a "head" in His Organization? Is He not able to lead it, guide it, empower it and send forth ordained of Himself teachers of His Truth to the World?

Isn't all any man can do is recognize when one is Baptized and ordained of Him? When men send forth people they have ordained simply because they've gone through their schools, who then are they ordained of? Once in a great while maybe one but what of the rest? What do they sow?

Do you not see why so much error and false teachings have come into the so called "churches" of the world? There is only one True Church, His Organization, and He only is it's Head and Leader is why the gates of Hell will never prevail against it. That's the one Dear ones to be a Spiritual Member of. The Unity of these in Him make up His Spiritual Body, His Church, Ekklesia.

1Jo 4:4 ¶ Ye are of God, little children, and have overcome them: because greater is he that is in you, than he that is in the world.

[Gibs]

Just another thought has come to mind on "His Church" and that is no other "leaven" comes in that is not from Him. Other "leaven" would be other teaching than from His Ordained Ones.

His True Church don't fall to that as they, all His Members are one in Him and of Him and for Him Only and refuse the false and His Spirit in them guides them into all Truth as He has promised.

Joh 16:13 Howbeit when he, the Spirit of truth, is come, he will guide you into all truth: for he shall not speak of himself; but whatsoever he shall hear, that shall he speak: and he will shew you things to come.

He in each of His Members is the answer and the way and the power to overcome as He did.

1Jo 4:4 ¶ Ye are of God, little children, and have overcome them: because greater is he that is in you, than he that is in the world.

[Gibs]

I want to add today that He does have a people that make up that Unity in Him. They are not entirely invisible in this world but do have an invisible Head, Jesus Christ, but are to most in the denominational so called churches.

He only has one Church and that is it's name, none are Church unless He is in it and He is It's Head. No man can step in and claim that position and if that happens that gathering ceases to be His Church. He only can be it's Head and unless He is and is Present in it, it simply is not Church at all.

Some in the congregation of that gathering may be a part of His Church but soon must depart as they cannot and will not imbibe error. When men begin to be the head error is brought in very quickly.

Read all my comments above and post and consider these things.

1Jo 4:4 ¶ Ye are of God, little children, and have overcome them: because greater is he that is in you, than he that is in the world.

[Dr. Rich]

The reason there is no unity today is because of the one who did the scattering by preaching lawlessness. It's just that simple! (Matthew 12:30 and Matt. 24:11-12 and Matt. 7:23)

[Gibs]

And the only ones who don't fall to the one preaching lawlessness are those who are truly one in Him and so are in full unity and harmony with Him and all the others who are one in Him also. These are His Spiritual Members that make up His Spiritual Bocy. This then is the only one, Body, Church that the gates of hell do

1Jo 4:4 ¶ Ye are of God, little children, and have overcome them: because greater is he that is in you, than he that is in the world.not prevail against.

[Gibs]

Dr. Rich,

Thanks for that come back. And so what all must strive for is to get out from being of any of that and being of Him and in Him only rightly dividing the Word of Truth.

2Ti 2:15 Study to shew thyself approved unto God, a workman that needeth not to be ashamed, rightly dividing the word of truth.

Then we can be united one in Him, True Christian Unity.

1Jo 4:4 ¶ Ye are of God, little children, and have overcome them: because greater is he that is in you, than he that is in the world.

[Overaged]

Dear ones, who have read my post, what is your conclusion of this matter? Whose Church is it? Whose organization is the True Church? Does His Spirit that is in all places at all times and is All Powerful need men to set up a "head" in His Organization? Is He not able to lead it, guide it, empower it and send forth ordained of Himself teachers of His Truth to the World?

Well; I am glad you called us "Dear ones;" that is a good sign! LOL. To me, I don't see how God would run his Church without people in various leadership and lay positions. Of course God is able to lead His church; but the church is people; and so yes; He has chosen to lead and guide His church through other people.

[Gibs]

Overaged,

What needs to be noted though men do not wait on God to do it. You see in the beginning Church, Ekklesia, called out ones, None, None went out until they were Baptized of the Holy Spirit and then His Spirit sent them out, where to go and not to go. They every one were Ordained of His Spirit and spoke His True Gospel everywhere they were sent.

Today any who go through the corrupted universities and seminaries are then ordained of men.

The True Ones of Him recognize only those who are ordained of Him by what they teach. Today the false is not seen as false. Any who say it is false are called "troublers of Israel" but actually are true watchmen on the wall sent of Him to awaken.

Satan has taken over the world and most of the so called Christian churches.

Churches, but of whom? Of whom they follow, not whom is claimed as this is Satan's lying way.

When Satan has taken them over to the place where it is almost universal he old Satan will be allowed to come forth and personate Jesus Christ and he will take over as such and they follow him as the Great One and that is getting very close now.

Christianity don't see it coming and will be taken in by the master of deception. Hang in there it is happening, can you not see it?

1Jo 4:4 ¶ Ye are of God, little children, and have overcome them: because greater is he that is in you, than he that is in the world.

[Overaged]

Christianity don't see it coming and will be taken in by the master of deception. Hang in there it is happening, can you not see it?

"Where sin abounds; grace does much more abound."

Where Satan works; Jesus works much more.

Can you not see it?

[Gibs]

Satan gets to take over the world and it is getting very close now. Then Jesus has to come to save the elect from the fierce anger of Satan. The Satanic movements are well under way and are hidden and not leaked out as Satan is sharper than men.

The world is not getting better and coming to a closer walk with God but is walking more and more with the destroyer.

It is only by His Indwelling Spirit that the redeemed are kept from being destroyed by Satan now. He is our impervious pavilion. He is our strength to be overcomers of sin and many will not receive that as Truth and will not have the faith that is needed.

Truly the True Gospel is lost.

1Jo 4:4 ¶ Ye are of God, little children, and have overcome them: because greater is he that is in you, than he that is in the world.

[Gibs]

Yes I see that things are to become worse and worse until the Lord has to deliver His people from the angry wicked ones.

There is some verses that are taken all wrong and not understood as to whom it is speaking.

2Th 2:3 ¶ Let no man deceive you by any means: for that day shall not come, except there come a falling away first, and that man of sin be revealed, the son of perdition;

2Th 2:4 Who opposeth and exalteth himself above all that is called God, or that is worshipped; so that he as God sitteth in the temple of God, shewing himself that he is God.

2Th 2:6 And now ye know what withholdeth that he might be revealed in his time.

2Th 2:7 For the mystery of iniquity doth already work: only he who now letteth will let, until he be taken out of the way.

Now "that Wicked" is not the pope but Satan, he is the "anomos", that alpha lawless one. The first lawless one was long before any popes. Nomos in the negative without the a in front would just be lawless one but "anomos" is alpha lawless one. That is why I believe the KJV translaors capitalized "Wicked".

2Th 2:8 And then shall that Wicked be revealed, whom the Lord shall consume with the spirit of his mouth, and shall destroy with the brightness of his coming:

2Th 2:10 And with all deceivableness of unrighteousness in them that perish; because they received not the love of the truth, that they might be saved.

2Th 2:11 And for this cause God shall send them strong delusion, that they should believe a lie:

2Th 2:12 That they all might be damned who believed not the truth, but had pleasure in unrighteousness.

Lu 18:8 I tell you that he will avenge them speedily. Nevertheless when the Son of man cometh, shall he find faith on the earth?

How much True Faith? How much presuption? I believe it reveals He is asking if there will be much at all!

SDA's have said for years Satan would come and personate Jesus Christ come again but never recognize the verses that show it.

Those above are not the only place, Rev 13:11 on to end of the chap. is the second place. It is Satan when he is allowed to comes up out of the earth where he was cast in verse 13:11.

Here is a little piece from EGW on it and none of you prob. knew she said this but this was her view.

"In Revelation we read concerning Satan: "And he doeth great wonders, so that he maketh fire come down from heaven on the earth in the sight of men, and deceiveth them that dwell on the earth by the means of those miracles which he had power to do in the sight of the beast; saying to them that dwell on the earth, that they should make an image to the beast, which had the wound by a sword, and did live. And he had power to give life unto the image of the beast, that the image of the beast should both speak, and cause that as many as would not worship the image of the beast should be killed. And he causeth all, both small and great, rich and poor, free and bond, to receive a mark in their right hand, or in their foreheads: and that no man might buy or sell, save he that had the mark, or the name of the beast, or the number of his name" (Revelation 13:13-17). . . . {3SM 393.1}

Twist that one all around as much as you would like, but before you do,- start with Rev 13:11 and start reading and see if you can see that the text isn't holding fast to the one brought to view in verse 11. It certainly is and Satan is the 666 and he is the "man" and that is all he is in the hands of God who will destroy him.

Read,- Eze 28:9 Wilt thou yet say before him that slayeth thee, I am God? but thou shalt be a man, and no God, in the hand of him that slayeth thee.

Eze 28:13 Thou hast been in Eden the garden of God; every precious stone was thy covering, the sardius, topaz, and the diamond, the beryl, the onyx, and the jasper, the sapphire, the emerald, and the carbuncle, and gold: the workmanship of thy tabrets and of thy pipes was prepared in thee in the day that thou wast created.

SDA's used to be a people of the book gaining knowledge each day but how much light has come in since EGW? I think it has regressed badly.

1Jo 4:4 ¶ Ye are of God, little children, and have overcome them: because greater is he that is in you, than he that is in the world.

[Overaged]

The Bible says it is a "human number;" brother Gibs. That cannot include Satan.

[Gibs]

Re 13:18 Here is wisdom. Let him that hath understanding count the number of the beast: for it is the number of a man; and his number is Six hundred threescore and six.

KJV

1Jo 4:4 ¶ Ye are of God, little children, and have overcome them: because greater is he that is in you, than he that is in the world.

[Gibs]

Part of the trouble with Christian Unity today is because of the proliferation of so called Bible versions.

For me any that have so many changes from the "received texts" in order to be copyrighted they are not a Bible to me, only books. All would do well to read Gail Riplinger's book, "New Age Bible Versions".

It isn't too expensive and used to be in all the ABC's, adventist book centers.

If you like videos on it do it free on the internet, go to google search and thype in "you tube Gail Riplinger", I think you will come up with some as I am sure she put out several.

Yes Christian Unity can only be had among those only who are "one" in Christ. It is not being one in some other creed or belief system but in Him only is that oneness, unity found.

I plead to all, get you a KJV Bible and learn it's language and you are ahead of the game of not being deceived.

Gail Riplinger has really done her home work on this and another really good read is Samuel C. Gipp's book, The History of The Bible.

There is a reason for the "received" texts and those are the ones the KJV comes from and all the rest from faulty OT manuscripts.

1Jo 4:4 ¶ Ye are of God, little children, and have overcome them: because greater is he that is in you, than he that is in the world.

[Overaged]

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Today any who go through the corrupted universities and seminaries are then ordained of men.

This is not true; and I doubt you can prove what you say here. God ordains/calls men to ministry which in some cases happens through our various schools. There is nothing you can do about this; no matter what kind of fault, (real or imaginary) you choose to try and dig up about a given school.

[Overaged]

Satan has taken over the world and most of the so called Christian churches.

Actually, your submissions here about the church are quite unbalanced. Mixed with a little truth; but still unbalanced. The Bible depicts a much different church than what you do for these last days. I can see the Bible's version all around me, but I am still looking for even one church that fits your description.

To be balanced; you must acknowledge the good things that are happening in the Church; and the ways that the Bible depicts Jesus as walking among us in these last days.

Jesus works in and through most of the denominated churches in existence; He does not depend upon us all believing exactly the same in order to qualify as being "in unity."

[Gibs]

I realize some of my views are not popular and I wish that they could be but is not the case. Here is a few verses of what I see.

2Ti 3:1 ¶ This know also, that in the last days perilous times shall come.

2Ti 3:2 For men shall be lovers of their own selves, covetous, boasters, proud, blasphemers, disobedient to parents, unthankful, unholy,

2Ti 3:3 Without natural affection, trucebreakers, false accusers, incontinent, fierce, despisers of those that are good,

2Ti 3:4 Traitors, heady, highminded, lovers of pleasures more than lovers of God;

2Ti 3:5 Having a form of godliness, but denying the power thereof: from such turn away.

2Ti 3:6 For of this sort are they which creep into houses, and lead captive silly women laden with sins, led away with divers lusts,

2Ti 3:7 Ever learning, and never able to come to the knowledge of the truth

And on a more popular note,

1Ti 2:4 Who will have all men to be saved, and to come unto the knowledge of the truth.

1Ti 2:5 For there is one God, and one mediator between God and men, the man Christ Jesus;

1Jo 4:4 ¶ Ye are of God, little children, and have overcome them: because greater is he that is in you, than he that is in the world.

[Lysimachus]

Gibs,

Can you not see that 666, although it is a number intrinsically tied to Satan, it is number of a man whom Satan manifests himself through?

Satan possesses the BEAST. I have already told you this a thousand times. Do you hear?

Satan and the Beast are essentially "one and the same", no different than the serpent was to Lucifer.

Scriptures often speak of the Serpent being crushed. Is it Satan or is it the Serpent? Obviously it's Satan.

When the Papacy is destroyed, SATAN is destroyed, because it is through the Papacy that Satan controls the world.

Some of you are making this 100 million more times complicated than it really is.

666 IS the Number of the Papacy, because the Papacy IS the physical entity Satan operates through.

[Gibs]

You are a historicist and I am not. Here is a statement EGW made,

"I saw that the two-horned beast had a dragon's mouth, and that his power was in his head, and that the decree would go out of his mouth. Then I saw the Mother of Harlots; that the mother was not the daughters, but separate and distinct from them. She has had her day, and it is past, and her daughters, the Protestant sects, were the next to come on the stage and act out the same mind that the mother had when she persecuted the saints. I saw that as the mother has been declining in power, the daughters had been growing, and soon they will exercise the power once exercised by the mother." {SpM 1.4}

Yes his power is in his head, he is much advanced over man, even Daniel who was considered wise,

Eze 28:3 Behold, thou art wiser than Daniel; there is no secret that they can hide from thee:

I too believe he will take on a body, as the Father dwelt in the body of Christ, and he will appear very bright and glorious and all but the elect will receive him as Jesus Christ.

1Jo 4:4 ¶ Ye are of God, little children, and have overcome them: because greater is he that is in you, than he that is in the world.