The covenant in Daniel 9:27?

[12tribes]

I have noticed that different versions have different wordings of Daniel 9:27. Which is correct?

Daniel 9:27

American Standard Version (ASV)

27 And he shall make a firm covenant with many for one week: and in the midst of the week he shall cause the sacrifice and the oblation to cease; and upon the wing of abominations shall come one that maketh desolate; and even unto the full end, and that determined, shall wrath be poured out upon the desolate.

Daniel 9:27

New International Version (NIV)

27 He will confirm a covenant with many for one ‘seven.’[a] In the middle of the ‘seven’ he will put an end to sacrifice and offering. And at the temple[c] he will set up an abomination that causes desolation, until the end that is decreed is poured out on him.[d]”[e]

Daniel 9:27

King James Version (KJV)

27And he shall confirm the covenant with many for one week: and in the midst of the week he shall cause the sacrifice and the oblation to cease, and for the overspreading of abominations he shall make it desolate, even until the consummation, and that determined shall be poured upon the desolate.

It looks like they are saying three different things so which is correct?

[phkrause]

Not sure about seeing any difference's. Obviously the wording or the interpretations are a little different, but the meanings seem to be the same. Anyway, to me they seem to be saying pretty much the same thing.

Here's what the Jewish Bible says: Daniel 9:27 He will make a strong covenant with leaders for one week [of years]. For half of the week he will put a stop to the sacrifice and the grain offering. On the wing of detestable things the desolator will come and continue until the already decreed destruction is poured out on the desolator."

[12tribes]

Not sure about seeing any difference's. Obviously the wording or the interpretations are a little different, but the meanings seem to be the same. Anyway, to me they seem to be saying pretty much the same thing.

Here's what the Jewish Bible says: Daniel 9:27 He will make a strong covenant with leaders for one week [of years]. For half of the week he will put a stop to the sacrifice and the grain offering. On the wing of detestable things the desolator will come and continue until the already decreed destruction is poured out on the desolator."

I believe that Daniel 9 has been fulfilled and is a prophecy about Christ. But from the different translations people say that the final week is in the future.

[12tribes]

Was the covenant confirmed in Daniel 9:27 or was a covenant made in 9:27? If it was confirmed then it is confirming the covenant that was already there but, if a covenant was made in 9:27 then it it has to be a different covenant made.

[phkrause]

I believe that Daniel 9 has been fulfilled and is a prophecy about Christ. But from the different translations people say that the final week is in the future.

And you would be correct about this being a prophecy about Jesus. It was in the future for Daniel.

[Lysimachus]

Correct me if you feel I'm wrong, but I believe it is referring to making strong the covenant between God and his people. It is in reference to making His covenant, which was weak (old covenant), strong (new covenant). This is more-so referring to the "everlasting covenant".

Hebrews 13:20 - "Now the God of peace, that brought again from the dead our Lord Jesus, that great shepherd of the sheep, through the blood of the everlasting covenant."

Stephen Bohr succinctly puts it:

• What does the expression “he shall confirm the covenant with many for one week” mean? It is a matter of record that every single time the word “covenant” is used in the book of Daniel, it refers to God’s covenant with His people. In other words, the word “covenant” in Daniel is never employed to describe a secular political covenant. For instance, Daniel 9:4 speaks of God who keeps “the covenant and mercy to them that love him”; Daniel 11:22 refers to Jesus as “the prince of the covenant” [notice how prince and covenant are linked in this verse just like in Daniel 9:27]; Daniel 11:28, 30 speaks of the “holy covenant;” and Daniel 11:32 describes those who “do wickedly against the covenant.” It should be noted that the word covenant in Daniel 9:27 has the definite article. In other words, it is not a covenant but the covenant which is confirmed. Significant also is the fact that Daniel 9 is the only chapter where the covenant name “Yahweh” appears. This name is God’s covenant name throughout the Old Testament.

  The expression “he shall confirm the covenant” is better translated “he shall make strong the covenant.” The Hebrew word gabar is used some 328 times in the Old Testament and the basic meaning is “strong,” “mighty” (for example, in Isaiah 9:6 gabar is translated “mighty”) The sense here seems to be the act of putting the covenant on a firm footing or ratifying it. The question is, Why did the covenant need to be made strong? Was it weak in the first place?

  The answer to these queries lies in the fact that the old covenant was ratified with the blood of animals which could not take away sin. On the other hand, the new covenant is better and stronger because it is based on better blood, a better priesthood, a better covenant, better promises and a better sanctuary. The old covenant could not truly remove sin but the new covenant does. (see, John 1:29; Hebrews 7:22; 8:6, 13; 9:12-27; 10:1-4). That is to say, the old covenant was weak because it could not save; it could only reveal the Savior who was to come.

  Taken from: Notes on Daniel 9 - by Stephen Bohr - pages 27,28

I encourage you all to read the entire document by Pastor Bohr. He is quite learned on Daniel 9.

[12tribes]

Correct me if you feel I'm wrong, but I believe it is referring to making strong the covenant between God and his people. It is in reference to making His covenant, which was weak (old covenant), strong (new covenant). This is more-so referring to the "everlasting covenant".

Hebrews 13:20 - "Now the God of peace, that brought again from the dead our Lord Jesus, that great shepherd of the sheep, through the blood of the everlasting covenant."

Stephen Bohr succinctly puts it:

• What does the expression “he shall confirm the covenant with many for one week” mean? It is a matter of record that every single time the word “covenant” is used in the book of Daniel, it refers to God’s covenant with His people. In other words, the word “covenant” in Daniel is never employed to describe a secular political covenant. For instance, Daniel 9:4 speaks of God who keeps “the covenant and mercy to them that love him”; Daniel 11:22 refers to Jesus as “the prince of the covenant” [notice how prince and covenant are linked in this verse just like in Daniel 9:27]; Daniel 11:28, 30 speaks of the “holy covenant;” and Daniel 11:32 describes those who “do wickedly against the covenant.” It should be noted that the word covenant in Daniel 9:27 has the definite article. In other words, it is not a covenant but the covenant which is confirmed. Significant also is the fact that Daniel 9 is the only chapter where the covenant name “Yahweh” appears. This name is God’s covenant name throughout the Old Testament.

  The expression “he shall confirm the covenant” is better translated “he shall make strong the covenant.” The Hebrew word gabar is used some 328 times in the Old Testament and the basic meaning is “strong,” “mighty” (for example, in Isaiah 9:6 gabar is translated “mighty”) The sense here seems to be the act of putting the covenant on a firm footing or ratifying it. The question is, Why did the covenant need to be made strong? Was it weak in the first place?

  The answer to these queries lies in the fact that the old covenant was ratified with the blood of animals which could not take away sin. On the other hand, the new covenant is better and stronger because it is based on better blood, a better priesthood, a better covenant, better promises and a better sanctuary. The old covenant could not truly remove sin but the new covenant does. (see, John 1:29; Hebrews 7:22; 8:6, 13; 9:12-27; 10:1-4). That is to say, the old covenant was weak because it could not save; it could only reveal the Savior who was to come.

  Taken from: Notes on Daniel 9 - by Stephen Bohr - pages 27,28

I encourage you all to read the entire document by Pastor Bohr. He is quite learned on Daniel 9.

Yes I have his notes they are very good. The KJV says in Daniel 9:27 that the covenant is confirmed that means a covenant is not made but confirmed what was made. While other versions say in 9:27 that a covenant will be made.

verse 4 mentions the covenant

Daniel 9:4

(4) And I prayed unto the LORD my God, and made my confession, and said, O Lord, the great and dreadful God, keeping the covenant and mercy to them that love him, and to them that keep his commandments;

Also some verses in the NT say this

Romans 15:8

(8) Now I say that Jesus Christ was a minister of the circumcision for the truth of God, to confirm the promises made unto the fathers:

Galatians 3:16-17

(16) Now to Abraham and his seed were the promises made. He saith not, And to seeds, as of many; but as of one, And to thy seed, which is Christ.

(17) And this I say, that the covenant, that was confirmed before of God in Christ, the law, which was four hundred and thirty years after, cannot disannul, that it should make the promise of none effect.

[Gibs]

What dispensationalists are saying is that the 70'th week is cut off, the trouble is not in verse 27 but 26 and they refuse to read the word "Messiah". They make it from verse 26 that the "70'th" week is cut off and moved to the end of time. Not true from any stretch of the imagination. No one can move time as it falls and noone can stop it of men. The verses, And always the KJV is the best!,

Da 9:26 And after threescore and two weeks shall Messiah be cut off, but not for himself: and the people of the prince that shall come shall destroy the city and the sanctuary; and the end thereof shall be with a flood, and unto the end of the war desolations are determined.

Yes His ministry was cut off in the middle of that 70'th week, you had 7 weeks before the 62 in verse 26 and so the next week, the 70'th Messiah was cut off, crucified and the Apostles finished the 70 weeks of ministry to the Jews to fulfill the 70 allotted to them, then the gospel went to the Gentiles. That ended that dispensation and so can't be moved anywhere. The prophecy did not fail as none of God ever does, man fail in the interpretation.

Da 9:27 And he shall confirm the covenant with many for one week: and in the midst of the week he shall cause the sacrifice and the oblation to cease, and for the overspreading of abominations he shall make it desolate, even until the consummation, and that determined shall be poured upon the desolate.

1Jo 4:4 ¶ Ye are of God, little children, and have overcome them: because greater is he that is in you, than he that is in the world.

[doug yowell]

It looks like they are saying three different things

I agree. The wording certainly when translated into English can be understood differently.

[doug yowell]

Here's what the Jewish Bible says: Daniel 9:27 He will make a strong covenant with leaders for one week [of years]. For half of the week he will put a stop to the sacrifice and the grain offering. On the wing of detestable things the desolator will come and continue until the already decreed destruction is poured out on the desolator."

This language seems to clearly draw a distinction between the One who makes the strong covenant and the one who is the desolator. Not the same person.

[doug yowell]

Also some verses in the NT say this

Romans 15:8

(8) Now I say that Jesus Christ was a minister of the circumcision for the truth of God, to confirm the promises made unto the fathers:

Galatians 3:16-17

(16) Now to Abraham and his seed were the promises made. He saith not, And to seeds, as of many; but as of one, And to thy seed, which is Christ.

(17) And this I say, that the covenant, that was confirmed before of God in Christ, the law, which was four hundred and thirty years after, cannot disannul, that it should make the promise of none effect.

Good stuff,12. And speaking of the coming Messiah, Zacharias,being filled with the Holy Spirit, exclaimed,"...That we should be saved from our enemies...to perform the mercy promised to our fathers and to remember His holy covenant, the oath which He swore to our father Abraham..."(Luke 1:67-79)Notice what the purpose of the 70 weeks was(9:24)?Remember Jesus words in Luke 19:41-44,Matt.23:31-39 24:15? All of the events of Dan.9 were fulfilled by the responses to the Messiah of the NT.

[12tribes]

Originally Posted By: pkrause

Here's what the Jewish Bible says: Daniel 9:27 He will make a strong covenant with leaders for one week [of years]. For half of the week he will put a stop to the sacrifice and the grain offering. On the wing of detestable things the desolator will come and continue until the already decreed destruction is poured out on the desolator."

This language seems to clearly draw a distinction between the One who makes the strong covenant and the one who is the desolator. Not the same person.

That is good info and I like the way it makes a distinction but, it says a covenant will be made whereas the KJV says the covenant is confirmed.

[Aussiemike]

“Then he shall confirm a covenant with many for one week”

The prophecy does not say that a covenant will be made or broken but that an existing one will be strengthened. In every instance where the Old Testament tells us of someone making or ratifying a covenant the idiom used is “cut a covenant”. The idiom “cut a covenant” seems to be based on an ancient custom of cutting up several animals and placing their parts on different altars. The parties making the covenant then walked between the altars (see Genesis 15). However this is not the expression used here in Daniel. The phrase here in Daniel is translated from a different set of words.

The word translated “confirm” is the Hebrew word “gabar”. It means “to be strong” or “ to prevail, to put forth strength”. Word number 1396, Gensenius Hebrew-Chaldee Lexicon of the Old Testament. 1979 Baker books Grand Rapids MI USA. Professor Edward Young observes: “The writer [of the book of Daniel] does not mean to say that he will make a covenant. The ordinary idiom to express such a thought is “to cut a covenant”, and this idiom is not used here. Now, if the writer had wished to state that a covenant would be made, why did he not employ the ordinary Hebrew idiom for expressing such a thought? Why did he use this strange phrase, “cause to prevail”…” God Cares Vol 1 P221. M. Maxwell, 1981, Pacific press.

The 'he' is the Messiah Jesus. He was to cause a covenant to prevail, i.e. He would strengthen a covenant that already existed. The simplest way to express the meaning of the Hebrew is to say that Jesus would put forth strength to energetically honour the covenant under any circumstances. This Jesus did as no matter what combination of mockery, threat, torture, dread, and death - of fighting’s without and fears within – rose up against Him, Christ saw to it that His covenant prevailed. The apostle Paul says:

Romans 15:8 Now I say that Jesus Christ has become a servant to the circumcision [Jews] for the truth of God, to confirm the promises made to the fathers,

Ephesians 2:12 “that at that time you [non Jews] were without Christ, being aliens from the commonwealth of Israel and strangers from the covenants of promise, having no hope and without God in the world.”

Here it is shown that Jesus confirmed the covenant made to the Fathers of the Hebrew nation. This strengthening of the ancient covenant by Christ lasted for the whole week of 7 years of the seventieth week, from the time of His baptism in AD 27 to AD 34 seven years later.

[12tribes]

“Then he shall confirm a covenant with many for one week”

The prophecy does not say that a covenant will be made or broken but that an existing one will be strengthened. In every instance where the Old Testament tells us of someone making or ratifying a covenant the idiom used is “cut a covenant”. The idiom “cut a covenant” seems to be based on an ancient custom of cutting up several animals and placing their parts on different altars. The parties making the covenant then walked between the altars (see Genesis 15). However this is not the expression used here in Daniel. The phrase here in Daniel is translated from a different set of words.

The word translated “confirm” is the Hebrew word “gabar”. It means “to be strong” or “ to prevail, to put forth strength”. Word number 1396, Gensenius Hebrew-Chaldee Lexicon of the Old Testament. 1979 Baker books Grand Rapids MI USA. Professor Edward Young observes: “The writer [of the book of Daniel] does not mean to say that he will make a covenant. The ordinary idiom to express such a thought is “to cut a covenant”, and this idiom is not used here. Now, if the writer had wished to state that a covenant would be made, why did he not employ the ordinary Hebrew idiom for expressing such a thought? Why did he use this strange phrase, “cause to prevail”…” God Cares Vol 1 P221. M. Maxwell, 1981, Pacific press.

The 'he' is the Messiah Jesus. He was to cause a covenant to prevail, i.e. He would strengthen a covenant that already existed. The simplest way to express the meaning of the Hebrew is to say that Jesus would put forth strength to energetically honour the covenant under any circumstances. This Jesus did as no matter what combination of mockery, threat, torture, dread, and death - of fighting’s without and fears within – rose up against Him, Christ saw to it that His covenant prevailed. The apostle Paul says:

Romans 15:8 Now I say that Jesus Christ has become a servant to the circumcision [Jews] for the truth of God, to confirm the promises made to the fathers,

Ephesians 2:12 “that at that time you [non Jews] were without Christ, being aliens from the commonwealth of Israel and strangers from the covenants of promise, having no hope and without God in the world.”

Here it is shown that Jesus confirmed the covenant made to the Fathers of the Hebrew nation. This strengthening of the ancient covenant by Christ lasted for the whole week of 7 years of the seventieth week, from the time of His baptism in AD 27 to AD 34 seven years later.

I agree with that it is about Christ, but what about the different versions?

Daniel 9:27

American Standard Version (ASV)

27 And he shall make a firm covenant with many for one week: and in the midst of the week he shall cause the sacrifice and the oblation to cease; and upon the wing of abominations shall come one that maketh desolate; and even unto the full end, and that determined, shall wrath be poured out upon the desolate.

Daniel 9:27

New International Version (NIV)

27 He will confirm a covenant with many for one ‘seven.’[a] In the middle of the ‘seven’ he will put an end to sacrifice and offering. And at the temple[c] he will set up an abomination that causes desolation, until the end that is decreed is poured out on him.[d]”[e]

Daniel 9:27

King James Version (KJV)

27And he shall confirm the covenant with many for one week: and in the midst of the week he shall cause the sacrifice and the oblation to cease, and for the overspreading of abominations he shall make it desolate, even until the consummation, and that determined shall be poured upon the desolate.

It looks like they are saying three different things?