jamesonofthunder Posted January 17, 2012 Posted January 17, 2012 10 snoring virgins? Another mystery explained; the parable of the ten virgins in Matthew 25:5 has been translated this way… “While the Bridegroom tarried they all slumbered and slept”, and I have often wondered "why they are all depicted as sleeping, but 5 of them awake with enough oil?" So I did a word study. The word translated ‘slumbered’ is nustazó. This word can also be “got drowsy”. The word that is here translated ‘and’ is the Greek word ‘kai’, which can also be translated ‘also, both, but, even, for, if,' and 'so’, also translated ‘or’ 11 times in scripture. The true translation of Matthew 25:5 should read “While the bridegroom tarried they all got drowsy or slept.” Now look at this quote from Signs of the Times about the Garden of Gethsemane. “In this fearful hour of trial Christ's human nature longed even for the sympathy of his disciples. A second time he rose from the earth and went to them and found them sleeping. This was not a deep sleep. They were in a drowse. They had a limited sense of their Lord's suffering and anguish. . In these sleeping disciples he sees a representation of a sleeping church.” {ST, August 14, 1879 par. 10} In this parable of the 10 virgins; the wise ones have an extra measure of oil when they come out of their slumber telling the foolish who slept to go buy for themselves. Where did they get the extra measure of oil, or Holy Spirit? In Gethsemane, which literally translated means 'Olive Press' where the oil for the lamps in the temple was 'beaten' out of the olives! The wise ones tell the foolish ones to go ‘buy for themselves’, which means it’s too late for them to prepare because the gate is shut and they have to pay for their own sins by their own blood at the second resurrection. The wise virgins have a limited sense of Jesus’ suffering and anguish, while the foolish ones are depicted here. “They forget the Man of Sorrows, who was acquainted with grief. The sufferings of Jesus in Gethsemane, His sweating as it were great drops of blood in the garden, the platted crown of thorns that pierced His holy brow, do not move them. They have become benumbed. Their sensibilities are blunted, and they have lost all sense of the great sacrifice made for them. They can sit and listen to the story of the cross, hear how the cruel nails were driven through the hands and feet of the Son of God, and it does not stir the depths of the soul. Said the angel: "If such should be ushered into the city of God, and told that all its rich beauty and glory was theirs to enjoy eternally, they would have no sense of how dearly that inheritance was purchased for them. They would never realize the matchless depths of a Savior’s love. They have not drunk of the cup, nor been baptized with the baptism. Heaven would be marred if such should dwell there. Those only who have partaken of the sufferings of the Son of God, and have come up through great tribulation, and have washed their robes and made them white in the blood of the Lamb, can enjoy the indescribable glory and unsurpassed beauty of heaven." {1T 155.2} Quote
Davey130 Posted January 17, 2012 Posted January 17, 2012 . . . sounds new and interesting, Ill be going to study it myself and look for the hidden message myself Anyway thanks for this info, :) Quote
Gibs Posted January 17, 2012 Posted January 17, 2012 Hey welcome Davey, Here is a revealing statement from EGW on this topic that may help to understand better, "In the parable, all the ten virgins went out to meet the bridegroom. All had lamps and vessels for oil. For a time there was seen no difference between them. So with the church that lives just before Christ's second coming. All have a knowledge of the Scriptures. All have heard the message of Christ's near approach, and confidently expect His appearing. But as in the parable, so it is now. A time of waiting intervenes, faith is tried; and when the cry is heard, "Behold, the Bridegroom cometh; go ye out to meet Him," many are unready. They have no oil in their vessels with their lamps. They are destitute of the Holy Spirit. {COL 408.2} Without the Spirit of God a knowledge of His word is of no avail. The theory of truth, unaccompanied by the Holy Spirit, cannot quicken the soul or sanctify the heart. One may be familiar with the commands and promises of the Bible; but unless the Spirit of God sets the truth home, the character will not be transformed. Without the enlightenment of the Spirit, men will not be able to distinguish truth from error, and they will fall under the masterful temptations of Satan." {COL 408.3} 1Jo 4:4 ¶ Ye are of God, little children, and have overcome them: because greater is he that is in you, than he that is in the world. Quote A Freeman In Jesus Christ
jamesonofthunder Posted January 17, 2012 Author Posted January 17, 2012 Yes exactly, Perfect quote. "What ought every Christian to do when brought into the trying position which tests the soundness of religious principle? With a firmness worthy of imitation he should say frankly: “I am a conscientious Christian. I believe the seventh day of the week to be the Sabbath of the Bible. Our faith and principles are such that they lead in opposite directions. We cannot be happy together, for if I follow on to gain a more perfect knowledge of the will of God, I shall become more and more unlike the world and assimilated to the likeness of Christ. If you continue to see no loveliness in Christ, no attractions in the truth, you will love the world, which I cannot love, while I shall love the things of God, which you cannot love. Spiritual things are spiritually discerned. Without spiritual discernment you will be unable to see the claims of God upon me, or to realize my obligations to the Master whom I serve; therefore you will feel that I neglect you for religious duties. You will not be happy; you will be jealous on account of the affections which I give to God, and I shall be alone in my religious belief. When your views shall change, when your heart shall respond to the claims of God, and you shall learn to love my Saviour, then our relationship may be renewed.” {CCh 122.4} Come out from among them and be ye separate. A peculiar people. Quote
Dr. Rich Posted January 17, 2012 Posted January 17, 2012 10 snoring virgins? Another mystery explained; the parable of the ten virgins in Matthew 25:5 has been translated this way… “While the Bridegroom tarried they all slumbered and slept”, and I have often wondered "why they are all depicted as sleeping, but 5 of them awake with enough oil?" So I did a word study. The word translated ‘slumbered’ is nustazó. This word can also be “got drowsy”. The word that is here translated ‘and’ is the Greek word ‘kai’, which can also be translated ‘also, both, but, even, for, if,' and 'so’, also translated ‘or’ 11 times in scripture. The true translation of Matthew 25:5 should read “While the bridegroom tarried they all got drowsy or slept.” Now look at this quote from Signs of the Times about the Garden of Gethsemane. “In this fearful hour of trial Christ's human nature longed even for the sympathy of his disciples. A second time he rose from the earth and went to them and found them sleeping. This was not a deep sleep. They were in a drowse. They had a limited sense of their Lord's suffering and anguish. . In these sleeping disciples he sees a representation of a sleeping church.” {ST, August 14, 1879 par. 10} In this parable of the 10 virgins; the wise ones have an extra measure of oil when they come out of their slumber telling the foolish who slept to go buy for themselves. Where did they get the extra measure of oil, or Holy Spirit? In Gethsemane, which literally translated means 'Olive Press' where the oil for the lamps in the temple was 'beaten' out of the olives! The wise ones tell the foolish ones to go ‘buy for themselves’, which means it’s too late for them to prepare because the gate is shut and they have to pay for their own sins by their own blood at the second resurrection. The wise virgins have a limited sense of Jesus’ suffering and anguish, while the foolish ones are depicted here. “They forget the Man of Sorrows, who was acquainted with grief. The sufferings of Jesus in Gethsemane, His sweating as it were great drops of blood in the garden, the platted crown of thorns that pierced His holy brow, do not move them. They have become benumbed. Their sensibilities are blunted, and they have lost all sense of the great sacrifice made for them. They can sit and listen to the story of the cross, hear how the cruel nails were driven through the hands and feet of the Son of God, and it does not stir the depths of the soul. Said the angel: "If such should be ushered into the city of God, and told that all its rich beauty and glory was theirs to enjoy eternally, they would have no sense of how dearly that inheritance was purchased for them. They would never realize the matchless depths of a Savior’s love. They have not drunk of the cup, nor been baptized with the baptism. Heaven would be marred if such should dwell there. Those only who have partaken of the sufferings of the Son of God, and have come up through great tribulation, and have washed their robes and made them white in the blood of the Lamb, can enjoy the indescribable glory and unsurpassed beauty of heaven." {1T 155.2} Now look at the warning to Sardis in Rev. 3. You will find that only a few overcome sin and were not sleeping. Also notice that all ten slept and did NOT see or know that Jesus already came like a thief. (Not the same event as the coming in the clouds.) Quote
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