Patrick Lawrence Posted January 21, 2012 Posted January 21, 2012 OK I thought I woulds start this thread to balance out the other two. From the other two threads you know I show Veith gets about 99% wrong on Islam. And the majority of his conspiracy theory stuff is wrong also. But he does get some things right if you can sort through the extreme conspiracy theory stuff. For example there was and is a large and influential new age / ocult / spiritalism movement. These spiritalist ideas have become part of our culture. There were and are some influential people that believe in this spiritualism. This is coming into Christian churches through new ages ideas like involved in the spiritual formation movement. It involves Catholic mysticism. And of course the basic views on the over all aims of the Catholic church. Even if he has gone way way over board and tried to make the Catholic church all powerful and behind everything. And these basic ideas do fit with Ellen White and the Bible. For example she talks about the three main forces joining hands. "When Protestantism shall stretch her hand across the gulf to grasp the hand of the Roman power, when she shall reach over the abyss to clasp hands with spiritualism, when, under the influence of this threefold union, " http://www.whiteestate.org/devotional/ofc/07_01.asp But its just to bad he mixes so much trash in. I just watched another hour and something video related to this. I stoped and checked each reference. And they were probably 70% or so fringe conpiracy theory books full of false information. Quating these is not proof of anything. But some times he does finally quote primary sources like the words of Alice Bailey http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Alice_Bailey . But then as normal he tends of over reach in trying to tie everything together in some VAST world wide all encompassing plot. And I do not mean the general one you could say is being done by the Devil and his Angels. Any way I wanted to give credit where it is due. And even though I do not go into it here I believe by and large he is probably right on his theology. But I have not seen enough to say it without reservation. Sorry this is not more indepth but I just do not have the time at the moment to go into great detail. But I still wanted to post this to be fair to him. Quote http://UROBI.com/
12tribes Posted January 21, 2012 Posted January 21, 2012 Walter Veith has alot of good info, while I dont agree with everything he says, I like the one where he talks about the prophecies about Christ and the probability of fulfilling that. Quote Galatians 3:29(29) And if ye be Christ's, then are ye Abraham's seed, and heirs according to the promise.
Q.E.D. Posted January 21, 2012 Posted January 21, 2012 Walter Veith's health and diet DVD's are great! Quote Satanic Verses-Salman Rushdie.
Gibs Posted January 21, 2012 Posted January 21, 2012 Walter Veith is one of the best all around out there. I'm a conspiracy "scientist" so to speak and when all is brought to light I think you are going to find the hellishness that is in the events are not what is painted by the controlled media. Deceiveing the "sheeple" is the name of their game. We need more like Walter Veith and I thank God for the true watchmen still on the wall. 1Jo 4:4 ¶ Ye are of God, little children, and have overcome them: because greater is he that is in you, than he that is in the world. phkrause 1 Quote A Freeman In Jesus Christ
Patrick Lawrence Posted January 21, 2012 Author Posted January 21, 2012 Well like I said I wanted to be fair. As I get a chance I will add more to this on health as I see them. Gibs sorry to hear you are a big conspiracy guy haha. Quote http://UROBI.com/
Woody Posted January 22, 2012 Posted January 22, 2012 Quote: I'm a conspiracy "scientist" That's what I thought. Quote May we be one so that the world may be won. Christian from the cradle to the grave I believe in Hematology.
Woody Posted January 22, 2012 Posted January 22, 2012 I think it better to keep our focus off of men like Veith and more towards Jesus - the author and finisher of our faith. Quote May we be one so that the world may be won. Christian from the cradle to the grave I believe in Hematology.
Gibs Posted January 22, 2012 Posted January 22, 2012 True watchmen on the wall, we need them bad, I love the true kind, they are brothers and are straight testimony shooters. A great need of men when they speak lead others to the Truth, Jesus Christ and His Word of Truth rightly divided and pointed out. 2Ti 2:15 Study to shew thyself approved unto God, a workman that needeth not to be ashamed, rightly dividing the word of truth. And some met with stones for their testimony, Ac 7:59 And they stoned Stephen, calling upon God, and saying, Lord Jesus, receive my spirit. 1Jo 4:4 ¶ Ye are of God, little children, and have overcome them: because greater is he that is in you, than he that is in the world. Quote A Freeman In Jesus Christ
Woody Posted January 22, 2012 Posted January 22, 2012 True watchmen on the wall, we need them bad, I love the true kind, they are brothers and are straight testimony shooters. A great need of men when they speak lead others to the Truth, Jesus Christ and His Word of Truth rightly divided and pointed out. 2Ti 2:15 Study to shew thyself approved unto God, a workman that needeth not to be ashamed, rightly dividing the word of truth. And some met with stones for their testimony, Ac 7:59 And they stoned Stephen, calling upon God, and saying, Lord Jesus, receive my spirit. 1Jo 4:4 ¶ Ye are of God, little children, and have overcome them: because greater is he that is in you, than he that is in the world. Amen Brother. I DO agree with you on that. Quote May we be one so that the world may be won. Christian from the cradle to the grave I believe in Hematology.
Administrators Naomi Posted January 22, 2012 Administrators Posted January 22, 2012 I think it better to keep our focus off of men like Veith and more towards Jesus - the author and finisher of our faith. Quote If your dreams are not big enough to scare you, they are not big enough for God
Lysimachus Posted January 22, 2012 Posted January 22, 2012 In the end, many of the things Walter Veith has said may prove to be right, even though the sources he used were wrong. Never know. Quote ~Lysimachus (Marcos S.) Author of article, Vindicating the Year-Day Principle of Prophetic Interpretation (see attachment for article) Currently writing a book, Vindicating the Historical School of Prophetic Interpretation Founder of the largest and fastest SDA Apologetics Group on Facebook, Seventh-Day Adventism - Defending the Pillars of the Faith Writer and apologetics contributor at Adventist Defense League Vindicating the Year-Day Principle of Prophetic Interpretation.pdf
Lysimachus Posted January 22, 2012 Posted January 22, 2012 What do you think of the sources D.S. (Dax) Farris uses Patrick? He goes WAY beyond Walter Veith! His Radio Shows: http://hearingthetruth.org/programs/library.htm His Online Free book: http://www.hearingthetruth.org/pt_mainpage.html Quote ~Lysimachus (Marcos S.) Author of article, Vindicating the Year-Day Principle of Prophetic Interpretation (see attachment for article) Currently writing a book, Vindicating the Historical School of Prophetic Interpretation Founder of the largest and fastest SDA Apologetics Group on Facebook, Seventh-Day Adventism - Defending the Pillars of the Faith Writer and apologetics contributor at Adventist Defense League Vindicating the Year-Day Principle of Prophetic Interpretation.pdf
Patrick Lawrence Posted January 22, 2012 Author Posted January 22, 2012 Lysimachus I really dought basic history and facts will change to match Walter Veith conpiracy theories As for Farris I do not know what his sources are as I do no thave the time to look over his stuff. But if you like do what I did for Walter Veith. Take one video at a time. And every time there is a slide and a source not on it stop and write it down. Then look up and research each of the resources. Quote http://UROBI.com/
Lysimachus Posted January 22, 2012 Posted January 22, 2012 Lysimachus I really dought basic history and facts will change to match Walter Veith conpiracy theories As for Farris I do not know what his sources are as I do no thave the time to look over his stuff. But if you like do what I did for Walter Veith. Take one video at a time. And every time there is a slide and a source not on it stop and write it down. Then look up and research each of the resources. Oh, I already did that with Walter Veith's sources. Not every time, but many times. It was good enough to convince me. It's possible to doubt every single source if one wants. Anyone could be lying, so in some cases you just have to exercise faith that the author knows his stuff, at least to some degree. As far as D.S. Farris is concerned, words cannot even begin to describe just how much you need to listen to those radio shows. You will be blown away. I'm positive of it. Start listening to his Futurism Part 1 and Part 2 and also his New World Order Series. These are breakthrough, revolutionary radio shows--a style that has never been done before. These sources go way beyond Walter Veith. These aren't videos. They are radio shows, but he cites everything, and gives the exact sources. There is no doubt that the Jesuits were the instigators of most of the Secret Societies that we see in the world today. The Jesuits were also behind the re-establishment of Israel in 1948 to create the necessary atmosphere for Satan's counterfeit prophecies through the views of Dispensationalism. There are plenty of primary sources to help one see the "big picture" in Satan's great plan to place the eye on top of the pyramid and establish the New World Order. Quote ~Lysimachus (Marcos S.) Author of article, Vindicating the Year-Day Principle of Prophetic Interpretation (see attachment for article) Currently writing a book, Vindicating the Historical School of Prophetic Interpretation Founder of the largest and fastest SDA Apologetics Group on Facebook, Seventh-Day Adventism - Defending the Pillars of the Faith Writer and apologetics contributor at Adventist Defense League Vindicating the Year-Day Principle of Prophetic Interpretation.pdf
Lysimachus Posted January 22, 2012 Posted January 22, 2012 Lysimachus I really dought basic history and facts will change to match Walter Veith conpiracy theories You are exaggerating. Many times what you may think is "basic history" or "facts" are simply distortions of history that may be mostly accurate, but many integral pieces of the puzzle are missing to cover up lies. Let's not be so naive. Ellen White herself is very clear on this, that MANY records of history have been lost and destroyed to cover up lies. Quote ~Lysimachus (Marcos S.) Author of article, Vindicating the Year-Day Principle of Prophetic Interpretation (see attachment for article) Currently writing a book, Vindicating the Historical School of Prophetic Interpretation Founder of the largest and fastest SDA Apologetics Group on Facebook, Seventh-Day Adventism - Defending the Pillars of the Faith Writer and apologetics contributor at Adventist Defense League Vindicating the Year-Day Principle of Prophetic Interpretation.pdf
Patrick Lawrence Posted January 22, 2012 Author Posted January 22, 2012 (Also this is being written in a friendly tone. But that does not come across some time in text. ) - Lysimachus do you not find it odd that he states as fact things from fringe conspiracy books as 75% of his points or something. Do you research these claims to find the truth or just accept what you are told? Do you read history indepth to have a good understanding to base your ideas on? As I said I give him credit when he is right but say when he is wrong. We can know the truth on just about everything. Big plots/conspiracies are easy to find and hard to hide. And as I said like on the Islam thing I showed where each of his points were wrong. And where the sources were bad. And I will be glad to change those if I am wrong. So my main thing is be accurate. If your only source of a "fact" is a very famouse froud then its not a source. Or if you just say something without backing it up its just your view. (He does that a lot.) -- As for D.S. Farris it just sounds like more of the same conspiracy theory stuff. But if you have something new from him with the source I will check into it. -- Lysimachus you say basic history or facts are really distortions. Lets look at his video on Islam for an example we have mountains of primary sources over a vast period of time vs him. Look at the video and he will say Islam is the same as the Catholic Church and one reason we know is because the use the moon and the star symbol. But we KNOW this symbol was not something Mohamed used. It is not in the Quran. It is not in the Hadith. And it is not part of the early part of Islam. And modern Muslims know this. More conservative Muslims will tell you that Muslims should not use this symbol. Clearly Veith did not do enough research to know this basic fact about Islam or he would not have said it. There is no true alternative history here. He just likes comparing symbols (he does it a lot) and did not know its a new symbol to Islam. And if I am wrong on this or if you can even show me something to cast resonable dought on it please show me so I can update it. Another fact. He says Mohameds first wife was a Catholic Agenet basicly. There is no record of her being Catholic. The ONLY source he as for this is Alberto Rivera we well known fraud. Matter of fact the very one to start this crazy idea is the proven fraud. Really Lysimachus I am not calling him out on things that could go either way. I am calling him out on basic his many many basic errors. Quote http://UROBI.com/
Members phkrause Posted May 8, 2017 Members Posted May 8, 2017 Here are two videos that from what I've seen shows that more than likely WV gets Islam pretty much right. One video is a Jesuit and the other is a WV lecture on the Islam issue. The Vatican Created Islam To Take Jerusalem, & Kill True Christians & Jews. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=xasfYpvVMM0&list=PLAdaqF1fN9Mb9Xj5SK3Axn9FtAYwHoz6u The Islamic-Vatican Connection by Walter Veith https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=CSHenSfLh2s Quote phkrause When the righteous are in authority, the people rejoice; But when a wicked man rules, the people groan. Proverbs 29;2
B/W Photodude Posted May 8, 2017 Posted May 8, 2017 4 hours ago, phkrause said: Here are two videos ... It seems that there is a deadly triangle of the Vatican-Nazi Germany-Islam. People have also been making Nazi-Vatican connections for a long time and Youtube is full of films looking at that. The following video connects some of the dots to the Nazi-Islam connection. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Cy3aDIatrY0 Quote >>>Texts in blue type are quotes<<< ***************************************************************************** And therefore as a stranger give it welcome. There are more things in heaven and earth, Horatio, Than are dreamt of in your philosophy. --Shakespeare from Hamlet ***************************************************************************** Bill Liversidge Seminars The Emergent Church and the Invasion of Spiritualism
Members phkrause Posted May 9, 2017 Members Posted May 9, 2017 Thanks for the video. I'll watch it this weekend. Quote phkrause When the righteous are in authority, the people rejoice; But when a wicked man rules, the people groan. Proverbs 29;2
Members phkrause Posted June 18, 2017 Members Posted June 18, 2017 On 5/8/2017 at 1:59 AM, B/W Photodude said: It seems that there is a deadly triangle of the Vatican-Nazi Germany-Islam. People have also been making Nazi-Vatican connections for a long time and Youtube is full of films looking at that. The following video connects some of the dots to the Nazi-Islam connection. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Cy3aDIatrY0 I finally followed through and watched it today!! Very interesting. Quote phkrause When the righteous are in authority, the people rejoice; But when a wicked man rules, the people groan. Proverbs 29;2
Members phkrause Posted June 18, 2017 Members Posted June 18, 2017 Here are two more videos by Walter Veith: 1-Walter Veith, The Final Elijah (258) https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=rmRH3JxhKJE This is really, really good, probably should've had its own thread!! 2-The Trump Card, by Walter Veith https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=KFt19_iYi8k This one is really fascinating Rahab and aka 2 Quote phkrause When the righteous are in authority, the people rejoice; But when a wicked man rules, the people groan. Proverbs 29;2
Members phkrause Posted July 8, 2017 Members Posted July 8, 2017 Here is another excellent lecture by WV The Final Conflict - Walter Veith https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=tGB1VWzFTM4 Rahab 1 Quote phkrause When the righteous are in authority, the people rejoice; But when a wicked man rules, the people groan. Proverbs 29;2
LifeHiscost Posted July 9, 2017 Posted July 9, 2017 On 1/21/2012 at 4:43 PM, Woody said: I think it better to keep our focus off of men like Veith and more towards Jesus - the author and finisher of our faith. One cannot err in keeping their eyes on Jesus. His counsel from the Word is important though. King James 2000 Bible 14 Where no counsel is, the people fall: but in the multitude of counselors there is safety.....Proverbs 11 God is Love!~Jesus saves! Quote Lift Jesus up!!
Rahab Posted July 24, 2017 Posted July 24, 2017 Walter is excellent... I agree with about 95% of what he says... caution here to not follow any one man exclusively phkrause and aka 2 Quote
Members phkrause Posted May 12, 2018 Members Posted May 12, 2018 Walter Veith, Donald Trump, obama, Papacy, Pope Francis, Jesuit, ROME, We Are All ONE https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Od7HJfLiIQU I would highly recommend watching this lecture!! Its about 1 hour and 47 minutes, but than there is 24 hours in each day!! :) Quote phkrause When the righteous are in authority, the people rejoice; But when a wicked man rules, the people groan. Proverbs 29;2
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