Robert Posted January 21, 2012 Posted January 21, 2012 Principle # 1 - "if you lend to those from whom you expect repayment, what credit is that to you? Even 'sinners' lend to 'sinners,' expecting to be repaid in full. But love your enemies, do good to them, and lend to them without expecting to get anything back." [Luke 6:34,35] Quote
Moderators Bravus Posted January 21, 2012 Moderators Posted January 21, 2012 Will be fascinated to see how the plain words of Jesus don't mean what they mean on the simplest and clearest reading... Quote Truth is important
Dr. Shane Posted January 21, 2012 Posted January 21, 2012 Not exactly on topic but, I think banks lending money has pushed the price of somethings, especially property, up. When people have the ability to borrow, they can access more money which means people selling land can charge more money. Quote Pastoral Family Counselor... Find me at www.PostumCafe.com Author of Peculiar Christianity
Robert Posted January 21, 2012 Author Posted January 21, 2012 Principle # 1 - "if you lend to those from whom you expect repayment, what credit is that to you? Even 'sinners' lend to 'sinners,' expecting to be repaid in full. But love your enemies, do good to them, and lend to them without expecting to get anything back." [Luke 6:34,35] Principle # 2 - "Therefore I tell you, do not worry about your life, what you will eat; or about your body, what you will wear. Life is more than food, and the body more than clothes ....God clothes the grass of the field, which is here today, and tomorrow is thrown into the fire, how much more will he clothe you, O you of little faith! And do not set your heart on what you will eat or drink; do not worry about it. For all these things do the nations of the world seek, and your Father knows that you need them (food/clothing). 31 But seek his kingdom, and these things will be given to you as well. "Do not be afraid, little flock, for your Father has been pleased to give you the kingdom. Sell your possessions and give to the poor. Provide purses for yourselves that will not wear out, a treasure in heaven that will not be exhausted, where no thief comes near and no moth destroys. For where your treasure is, there your heart (thoughts) will be also. [Luke 12:22,23,28-34] Quote
bonnie Posted January 21, 2012 Posted January 21, 2012 Will be fascinated to see how the plain words of Jesus don't mean what they mean on the simplest and c learest reading... It will be won't it? Psalms 37.21 Matthew 5:42 Do you do this without reservation? If not why not? Do you receive more than the basic needs of your family as far as job compensation? What do you do with the surplus? Give it away so all can share? Have you ever borrowed money? Why? Hasen't it been said, neither a borrower or lender be? That pretty much takes care of the biblical instruction on borrowing and lending. Borrowing makes you a slave to those you borrow from. Quote Everything you do is based on the choices you make. It's not your parents, your past relationships, your job, the economy, the weather, an argument, or your age that is to blame. You and only you are responsible for every decision and choice you make, period ... ... Wish more people would realize this. Quotes by Susan Gottesman
Robert Posted January 21, 2012 Author Posted January 21, 2012 Borrowing makes you a slave to those you borrow from. Ex 22:25 "If you lend money to one of my people among you who is needy, do not be like a moneylender; charge him no interest." Our capitalistic banking system is fabricated on interest. Quote
bonnie Posted January 21, 2012 Posted January 21, 2012 Originally Posted By: bonnie Borrowing makes you a slave to those you borrow from. Ex 22:25 "If you lend money to one of my people among you who is needy, do not be like a moneylender; charge him no interest." Our capitalistic banking system is fabricated on interest. Thanks,but I already know that you preach what "others" are to live. Quote Everything you do is based on the choices you make. It's not your parents, your past relationships, your job, the economy, the weather, an argument, or your age that is to blame. You and only you are responsible for every decision and choice you make, period ... ... Wish more people would realize this. Quotes by Susan Gottesman
Robert Posted January 21, 2012 Author Posted January 21, 2012 ....I already know that you preach what "others" are to live. To those who are self-righteous (i.e., think they are righteous) I give them the law - the old covenant. Since you have admitted the impossibility of gaining heaven by law I have no disagreement with you on theology. My disagreement is stating that Capitalism is not based on iniquity. I think Shane said it best...i.e., you need a mix of socialism & capitalism. He said just having capitalism is evil. Quote
bonnie Posted January 21, 2012 Posted January 21, 2012 To those who are self-righteous (i.e., think they are righteous) I give them the law - the old covenant. Quote Everything you do is based on the choices you make. It's not your parents, your past relationships, your job, the economy, the weather, an argument, or your age that is to blame. You and only you are responsible for every decision and choice you make, period ... ... Wish more people would realize this. Quotes by Susan Gottesman
Moderators Bravus Posted January 21, 2012 Moderators Posted January 21, 2012 'Neither a borrower nor a lender be' is Shakespeare, not the Bible. Quote Truth is important
Stan Posted January 21, 2012 Posted January 21, 2012 So...... Shakespeare plagiarized Quote If you receive benefit to being here please help out with expenses. https://www.paypal.me/clubadventist Administrator of a few websites like https://adventistdating.com
Stan Posted January 21, 2012 Posted January 21, 2012 Robert The old covenant was never the 10 C, it was how we dealt with the 10c's Quote If you receive benefit to being here please help out with expenses. https://www.paypal.me/clubadventist Administrator of a few websites like https://adventistdating.com
olger Posted January 21, 2012 Posted January 21, 2012 Robert The old covenant was never the 10 C, it was how we dealt with the 10c's This ^^ Quote "Please don't feed the drama queens.."
Robert Posted January 21, 2012 Author Posted January 21, 2012 Since most I know are well aware you can not gain heaven thru the law.... Quote
Robert Posted January 21, 2012 Author Posted January 21, 2012 'Neither a borrower nor a lender be' is Shakespeare, not the Bible. Did I imply this? I think I just quoted the Bible.... Quote
Robert Posted January 21, 2012 Author Posted January 21, 2012 Robert The old covenant was never the 10 C, it was how we dealt with the 10c's Here's the Bible and Ellen White: Deuteronomy 4:13 "He declared to you his covenant, the Ten Commandments, which he commanded you to follow and then wrote them on two stone tablets." The terms of the “old covenant” were, Obey and live: “If a man do, he shall even live in them” (Eze. 20:11; Lev. 18:5); but “cursed be he that confirmeth not all the words of this law to do them.” Deut. 27:26 [PC- RH, PT- Advent Review and Sabbath Herald, DT- 10-17-07, AT- The Two Covenants, PR- 08] The law, as a means of heaven, was given to expose our complete inability to do genuine righteousness so that we might be justified by faith. The hard part is admitting our condition. Gal 3:19 (CJB) "It [the Ten Commandments] was added in order to create transgressions, until the coming of the seed about whom the promise had been made." In other words the law was given to turn sin (missing the mark) into transgression (a deliberate violation of a law). So the law was given to make matters worse so that we might see our need of Christ and stand justified by faith! Quote
bonnie Posted January 21, 2012 Posted January 21, 2012 'Neither a borrower nor a lender be' is Shakespeare, not the Bible. I think truth is important Bravus,I never said it was a biblical quote. It does cover both ends of the dicussion as to what to avoid. You borrow and don't plan to pay back,it is called evil. You borrow and demand payback it is evil Psalms 37:21 The wicked borrows and does not repay. Quote Everything you do is based on the choices you make. It's not your parents, your past relationships, your job, the economy, the weather, an argument, or your age that is to blame. You and only you are responsible for every decision and choice you make, period ... ... Wish more people would realize this. Quotes by Susan Gottesman
bonnie Posted January 21, 2012 Posted January 21, 2012 There are many here who claim to be keeping the law. Where have you been? Quote Everything you do is based on the choices you make. It's not your parents, your past relationships, your job, the economy, the weather, an argument, or your age that is to blame. You and only you are responsible for every decision and choice you make, period ... ... Wish more people would realize this. Quotes by Susan Gottesman
Moderators Bravus Posted January 21, 2012 Moderators Posted January 21, 2012 Lots of misdirection in all directions, but no-one has simply taken on the original text and said 'Yes, this is what Jesus said, this is what we ought to do and support'. Quote Truth is important
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