Is The SDA Church Laodicean Yet Today?

[Gibs]

Is The SDA Church Laodicean Yet Today? Well now let's think about that a little.

I am posting a few verses here of the message to the Laodiceans, and especially notice the verse I separated apart, Re 3:17,

Re 3:14 ¶ And unto the angel of the church of the Laodiceans write; These things saith the Amen, the faithful and true witness, the beginning of the creation of God;

Re 3:15 I know thy works, that thou art neither cold nor hot: I would thou wert cold or hot.

Re 3:16 So then because thou art lukewarm, and neither cold nor hot, I will spue thee out of my mouth.

Re 3:17 Because thou sayest, I am rich, and increased with goods, and have need of nothing; and knowest not that thou art wretched, and miserable, and poor, and blind, and naked:

Re 3:18 I counsel thee to buy of me gold tried in the fire, that thou mayest be rich; and white raiment, that thou mayest be clothed, and that the shame of thy nakedness do not appear; and anoint thine eyes with eyesalve, that thou mayest see.

Re 3:19 As many as I love, I rebuke and chasten: be zealous therefore, and repent.

Re 3:20 Behold, I stand at the door, and knock: if any man hear my voice, and open the door, I will come in to him, and will sup with him, and he with me.

Re 3:21 To him that overcometh will I grant to sit with me in my throne, even as I also overcame, and am set down with my Father in his throne

Re 3:22 He that hath an ear, let him hear what the Spirit saith unto the churches.

To me this is a very urgent wake up call that was not heeded well to any great extent.

The “rich and in need of nothing” I’m sure isn’t meaning money. It is the Spiritual condition that is being brought to view! Does she see any thing wrong in her ranks? I think not, at least she sees nothing of any great concern.

Notice verses, 18, 19, 20 and then let verse 21 sink in, “OVERCOMETH”, and He says even as I OVERCAME!

Then verse 22, “he that hath an ear, let him hear”, man that is strong! That is our very own Redeemer speaking take note?

1Jo 4:4 ¶ Ye are of God, little children, and have overcome them: because greater is he that is in you, than he that is in the world.

[Stan]

are you Laodicean? It is the people they are talking about.

[Overaged]

Is The SDA Church Laodicean Yet Today? Well now let's think about that a little.

To me this is a very urgent wake up call that was not heeded well to any great extent.

The “rich and in need of nothing” I’m sure isn’t meaning money. It is the Spiritual condition that is being brought to view! Does she see any thing wrong in her ranks? I think not, at least she sees nothing of any great concern.

[Gibs]

are you Laodicean? It is the people they are talking about.

Stan, Of course it is the people who make up the "body", the church and the scripture states the messsage is of the angel to the Laodicean church.

We once did a real good study here on that message one time here many years ago and it woke up our individual church for a time.

This of course isn't just a message to the SDA's but to all of the condition of the last days church in general I believe.

At any rate I feel it is a message that needs to continue to go out to invigorate us all to a greater seriousness.

We are poor and don't know it I do believe for myself and we need that "Gold".

1Jo 4:4 ¶ Ye are of God, little children, and have overcome them: because greater is he that is in you, than he that is in the world.

[Dr. Rich]

are you Laodicean? It is the people they are talking about.

Notice that this is a warning to a GROUP, not to individual humans? All 7 of these messeges are ONLY for the Kingdom of Heaven and the SDA church is right now the sleeping Kingdom of Heaven as found in Sardas.

We must take all 7 of these messages as warnings to the whole KOH.

What I am saying is that these messages are not for the people in the whole world--as that will happen when the time of trouble starts with the first 4 trumpets.

[Gibs]

Originally Posted By: Gibs

Is The SDA Church Laodicean Yet Today? Well now let's think about that a little.

To me this is a very urgent wake up call that was not heeded well to any great extent.

The “rich and in need of nothing” I’m sure isn’t meaning money. It is the Spiritual condition that is being brought to view! Does she see any thing wrong in her ranks? I think not, at least she sees nothing of any great concern.

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Satan's censuring must not be imitated by any one who is a partaker of the mercy and the love of God. Let not one of his professed children climb upon the judgment seat to accuse or condemn another. Guard your own soul; watch closely for the first jealous thought, the first suggestion to question or judge others. God has not set you to be a judge over your brethren; and while you do so, your own soul will be as destitute of the Spirit of God as were the hills of Gilboa of dew and rain. Those who are ready to accuse and find fault with others, commit sin against their own souls. Those who would bring others to justice, should be the embodiment of spotless purity themselves. Never disparage one soul for whom Christ has died; for when you accuse and condemn his followers, you accuse and condemn Christ. Be instruments in the Lord's hands of saving souls "with fear, pulling them out of the fire; hating even the garment spotted by the flesh." We must not be severe with the infirmities of others, but attend zealously to our own individual case. {RH, September 22, 1896 par. 9}

Overaged,

I don't get your come back as it is the Lord Himself that is giving the message, not ole Satan.

I know people sometimes do not want to be woke up, but "when the shoe fits, we must wear it".

Do you really feel we are rich and in need of nothing? Surely not. This message chastises me as well as everyone else is my thoughts on it. It is not Satan who would give such a wake up call I'm sure.

He would do the oposite, make all feel secure in falling away. I was hoping for feedback but wasn't looking to be censored for a message from our God and Saviour.

1Jo 4:4 ¶ Ye are of God, little children, and have overcome them: because greater is he that is in you, than he that is in the world.

[CoAspen]

Is there a reason so many want to determine if the .org is this or that? Are we responsible to God or the Church? Is the Church the determiner of our life or simply a group of like believers? Is it easier to always point point to the church and others or back to ourselves?

To answer my own question, this is what I percieve, my opinion! The .org is a constant end point of criticism or questioning, because others do not see it, .org, as having their own enterpretation of events or beliefs. There seems to be this feeling that individuals have been appointed to seek out and eradicate the 'tares' or bring the .org back to the true path. So when people start down the path of 'what about this or what about that', I will most of the time ignore, but lately we seem to be getting a 'lot' of this!

[Dr. Rich]

Huh? What did you say in plain english? Ever notice WHO the book of Revelation was written down by John FOR? It is ONLY to the bondservants living in the last generation--that's it! NO ONE ELSE will ever understand it and can't. Why? Because only those with insight and living in the last generation will it pertain to.

Notice that the warning to Thyatira is ONLY for those who are IN this group and living in the last generation? It is not a warning for EGW as she is long dead, but it is a warning to those who believe her words over the words of Jesus and because of that they will not only go thru the time of trouble, but the plagues will affect them too as they are believing in lies. (Rev. 21:8 and 22:15) Therefore, all seven messages are directed to and for the SDA church as each is describing points ONLY for the Adventists.

Laodicea is a warning for those who think they are saved by grace and righteousness is by faith.

[Gibs]

CoAspen,

Don't the church want be investigated? I think they should. I had the impression the truth invites investigation and only shines the brighter for it.

As the members are so goes the church, because that is what the church is, the body of believers, each hopefully being a spiritual member of His Spiritual Body.

Now on Faith there is two kinds one that is on the truth and the other on presuption. But people do have faith on presuption but it does not lead them to be "overcomers" but in actuality keeps them from it. Jesus said some tough admonitions. Here is one,

Mt 7:22 Many will say to me in that day, Lord, Lord, have we not prophesied in thy name? and in thy name have cast out devils? and in thy name done many wonderful works?

Mt 7:23 And then will I profess unto them, I never knew you: depart from me, ye that work iniquity.

Mt 7:24 Therefore whosoever heareth these sayings of mine, and doeth them, I will liken him unto a wise man, which built his house upon a rock:

At the time above is not the time to get ourselves squared away in truth, now is, we only get to come this way once!

I'm sure they had faith but it wasn't the kind that bore the fruit to eternal life.

1Jo 4:4 ¶ Ye are of God, little children, and have overcome them: because greater is he that is in you, than he that is in the world.

[CoAspen]

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As the members are so goes the church, because that is what the church is, the body of believers, each hopefully being a spiritual member of His Spiritual Body.

So...you really want to investigate the members! Not your job, mine or anyone else. Lets not presume to stand in the place of God, that would be dangerously arrogant, don't you think?

[Gibs]

CoAspen,

I didn't accuse any member as I recall, I just brought out the message to the Laodiceans. Not all the members are Laodicean I would hope since the call is to get hot and not be lukewarm.

That just behoves all to take a look at ole # ones self. And I asked the question if the church was luke warm tody and I thought I would get some answers one or both ways. My intentions were not to ignite any at all.

I personally don't think one should ever be satisfied with our present stage of being sanctified. It's something we each must be reaching for and not rest on our "lees".

1Jo 4:4 ¶ Ye are of God, little children, and have overcome them: because greater is he that is in you, than he that is in the world.