Moderators Kevin H Posted March 17, 2012 Moderators Posted March 17, 2012 Despite being Scandinavian and not Irish, I want to wish everyone a Happy St. Patrick's day! As we think about St. Patrick and the Irish, let's also remember that St. Patrick, a Sabbath Keeper had beliefs more like Protestants were to later believe. Also in Ireland there was the Powerscourt estate where the Powerscourst conferences were held in the late 18 and early 19 centuries from which we got much of our understanding of the Bible. The Powerscourt Conferences wound up in 1831, the year William Miller began to preach. He adopted and popularized the late historicism of the Powerscourt Conferences which survives today in Seventh-day Adventist teachings. Quote
Woody Posted March 17, 2012 Posted March 17, 2012 Quote: Also in Ireland there was the Powerscourt estate where the Powerscourst conferences were held in the late 18 and early 19 centuries from which we got much of our understanding of the Bible. The Powerscourt Conferences wound up in 1831, the year William Miller began to preach. He adopted and popularized the late historicism of the Powerscourt Conferences which survives today in Seventh-day Adventist teachings. As a side bar - I used to live 5 miles from the estate. They have beautiful grounds and gardens. But I was unaware of the history. So, thanks for filling it in. Edit: Most simply know it as the place where the film : "The Count of Monte Cristo" was filmed in 2002. And "David Copperfield" in 2000. Also the 1981 film "Excalibur". The gardens were used to record Celtic Woman's Songs from the Heart DVD and TV special. Quote May we be one so that the world may be won. Christian from the cradle to the grave I believe in Hematology.
Administrators Naomi Posted March 17, 2012 Administrators Posted March 17, 2012 Kevin, I confess to not knowing much about St Patrick's life and history. How very interesting! Thank you for sharing. Quote If your dreams are not big enough to scare you, they are not big enough for God
Woody Posted March 17, 2012 Posted March 17, 2012 Here's a pic looking out from the castle and onto the gardens. Quote May we be one so that the world may be won. Christian from the cradle to the grave I believe in Hematology.
Administrators Naomi Posted March 17, 2012 Administrators Posted March 17, 2012 Woody, From everything I have seen much of Ireland is very green and beautiful. It must have been a neat experience to have lived there. Do you have pictures that you could share? Quote If your dreams are not big enough to scare you, they are not big enough for God
Administrators Naomi Posted March 17, 2012 Administrators Posted March 17, 2012 Cool ... ask and you shall receive. Beautiful estate Quote If your dreams are not big enough to scare you, they are not big enough for God
Moderators Kevin H Posted March 17, 2012 Author Moderators Posted March 17, 2012 Wow!!! What a beautiful place!!! No wonder they were able to be spiritually tuned in to so much truth!!! Quote
Moderators Kevin H Posted March 17, 2012 Author Moderators Posted March 17, 2012 While we tend to trace our history from William Miller, our history goes back much farther. A number of our views come from Athanasius of Alexandria and some of the others in history, but Joachim of Fiore was basically the father of Historicism (and Dispensationalism takes part of what he said and created something completely new out of it, he was also seen as a true Prophet until wanting to argue that Mrs. White is not a Prophet stopped Prophecy with closing of the Cannon) . Joachim's ideas were modified through history, especially carried on by the Franciscan priests (who believed that Joachim was a prophet) and eventually to the Powerscourt Conferences in the late 18th and early 19th centuries which ended in 1831 and William Miller was built on their studies. Sir Isaac Newton was a pre-millerite Adventist, who if he were alive today and check out different churches he would find himself very comfortable in ours. So we have quite a history here with holding much in common with St. Patrick, and the role Ireland played in our theology with the Powerscourt conferences. Unfortunetely, while Historisists traditionally was willing to grow, after the Powerscourt conferences we set the truth in stone and refuse to move on. Quote
Members phkrause Posted March 17, 2012 Members Posted March 17, 2012 Interesting history Kevin, thanks for the info. Happy St. Patrick's day to you and all the rest of the C/A members. Quote phkrause When the righteous are in authority, the people rejoice; But when a wicked man rules, the people groan. Proverbs 29;2
Members phkrause Posted March 17, 2012 Members Posted March 17, 2012 Woody, thanks for the picture, its beautiful, must been even more so seeing and being there. Quote phkrause When the righteous are in authority, the people rejoice; But when a wicked man rules, the people groan. Proverbs 29;2
Moderators Kevin H Posted March 17, 2012 Author Moderators Posted March 17, 2012 It was late and now I just woke up and re-read, and don't mean that we refuse to move on, but that it tends to have been very slow thereafter, with a tendency to set up camp at the point where the pioneers fell asleep, and have mixed it with Fundamenalism which also gives a tendency to not want to move forward. Quote
Woody Posted March 18, 2012 Posted March 18, 2012 The reason that both Protestants and Catholics embrace Patrick is because when he came to Ireland - he gave up being Catholic and never again participated in the Catholic beliefs and practices. He embraced the Sabbath and other protestant beliefs. So the Catholics tried to steal him from Protestantism and for the most part in the eye of the public - they succeeded. Now you know the rest of the story. Quote May we be one so that the world may be won. Christian from the cradle to the grave I believe in Hematology.
Administrators Naomi Posted March 18, 2012 Administrators Posted March 18, 2012 Quote If your dreams are not big enough to scare you, they are not big enough for God
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