Moderators Bravus Posted March 25, 2012 Moderators Posted March 25, 2012 If Trayvon was white, would he be alive? It's a simple question, without an absolute answer, but I'd say the balance of probabilities is 'Yes'. Given that, race is a central issue, not a peripheral one being dragged in. Truth is important
Moderators Gerr Posted March 25, 2012 Moderators Posted March 25, 2012 Originally Posted By: Gerry Cabalo I have no idea what message the hoodie sends, but if the hoodie is strongly symbolic in a negative way, what message are we sending out with our attire and appearance? Dress like a bum and see how well you are treated. You don't know what message a hoodie sends, really? How about this one... I honestly don't. I am not into the latest subculture slang or terms.
Administrators Tom Wetmore Posted March 25, 2012 Administrators Posted March 25, 2012 Here is the reality, sad to say... The Talk... "Absurdity reigns and confusion makes it look good." "Sinless perfection is such a shallow goal." "I love God only as much as the person I love the least." *Forgiveness is always good news. And that is the gospel truth. (And finally, the ideas expressed above are solely my person views and not that of any organization with which I am associated.)
Moderators Gerr Posted March 25, 2012 Moderators Posted March 25, 2012 Originally Posted By: Kountzer Zimmerman's Dad was quick to say that his son is not caucasian, but is a spanish speaking hispanic. They are trying to avoid the label of a white on black hate crime. If it is determined to be a hate crime the Feds can get involved. With all that considered, yes, it does matter. IF we follow the ethnic rules that Blacks abide by - if you are half black then you are called black (the president Obama rule) then the same should apply for Hispanics. My observation is that Hispanics range in appearance from the blond, blue-ed Nordic type to the pure native American and everything else in between since there was amalgamation between the two. After all, it was Europeans especially the Portugese & Spaniards who colonized the southern USA down to S. America. Even social scientist are confused as to how to classify them in terms of race.
Guest Posted March 25, 2012 Posted March 25, 2012 http://www.myfoxtampabay.com/dpp/news/state/witness-martin-attacked-zimmerman-03232012 Interesting.
Kountzer Posted March 25, 2012 Posted March 25, 2012 If Zimmerman had stayed his psycho 'self' in his car none of this would of happened. Trayvon was walking back from a convenience store, minding his business, carrying a soft drink and a package of skittles. He was doing nothing wrong, except in the mind of Zimmerman. To him he was guilty of walking while black, nothing else. Also witnesses lie. I find it hard to believe that a skinny 140lb teen could overcome a 28 year old, 200 lb. grown man. Something smells funny. And if he did beat down Zimmerman it was in self defense. He did not bring the confrontation on. The nut case with the gun did. I prayed for twenty years but received no answer until I prayed with my legs. Frederick Douglass
Kountzer Posted March 25, 2012 Posted March 25, 2012 Here is the reality, sad to say... The Talk... Thing is Zimmerman is not a police officer. He's just a wanna be with a gun. I prayed for twenty years but received no answer until I prayed with my legs. Frederick Douglass
Administrators Tom Wetmore Posted March 25, 2012 Administrators Posted March 25, 2012 Originally Posted By: Tom Wetmore Here is the reality, sad to say... The Talk... Thing is Zimmerman is not a police officer. He's just a wanna be with a gun. And that along with the asinine "stand your ground" law compounds the crime IMHO. That some untrained wanna be enforcer is permitted to carry a weapon doing neighborhood watch. "Absurdity reigns and confusion makes it look good." "Sinless perfection is such a shallow goal." "I love God only as much as the person I love the least." *Forgiveness is always good news. And that is the gospel truth. (And finally, the ideas expressed above are solely my person views and not that of any organization with which I am associated.)
Kountzer Posted March 25, 2012 Posted March 25, 2012 I prayed for twenty years but received no answer until I prayed with my legs. Frederick Douglass
Members phkrause Posted March 25, 2012 Members Posted March 25, 2012 If Trayvon was white, would he be alive? It's a simple question, without an absolute answer, but I'd say the balance of probabilities is 'Yes'. Given that, race is a central issue, not a peripheral one being dragged in. Excellent point Bravus phkrause When the righteous are in authority, the people rejoice; But when a wicked man rules, the people groan. Proverbs 29;2
Woody Posted March 25, 2012 Posted March 25, 2012 Originally Posted By: bonnie http://www.myfoxtampabay.com/dpp/news/state/witness-martin-attacked-zimmerman-03232012 Interesting. Yes Richard. Very telling. I agree. And also the fact that Zimmerman was all bloodied - is also an important fact. May we be one so that the world may be won. Christian from the cradle to the grave I believe in Hematology.
Members phkrause Posted March 25, 2012 Members Posted March 25, 2012 How do we know if in fact its Photoshopped or not? We don't, but the fact remains that both Geraldo and Bill have worn hoodie's in the past. Besides it looks to me like they are having a conversation with the men in front of them? Again this is not the point, point is the statement that was made about hoodie's. phkrause When the righteous are in authority, the people rejoice; But when a wicked man rules, the people groan. Proverbs 29;2
Woody Posted March 25, 2012 Posted March 25, 2012 Good Point pk. For sure - we don't know if the photo is real or not. May we be one so that the world may be won. Christian from the cradle to the grave I believe in Hematology.
Members phkrause Posted March 25, 2012 Members Posted March 25, 2012 phkrause When the righteous are in authority, the people rejoice; But when a wicked man rules, the people groan. Proverbs 29;2
Members phkrause Posted March 25, 2012 Members Posted March 25, 2012 Yes it is interesting, especially when from the same website you get this: http://www.myfoxtampabay.com/dpp/news/state/9-1-1_tapes_released_trayvon_martin031712 phkrause When the righteous are in authority, the people rejoice; But when a wicked man rules, the people groan. Proverbs 29;2
Members phkrause Posted March 25, 2012 Members Posted March 25, 2012 and here's another interesting article: http://www.npr.org/blogs/thetwo-way/2012...nce-in-the-past phkrause When the righteous are in authority, the people rejoice; But when a wicked man rules, the people groan. Proverbs 29;2
Woody Posted March 25, 2012 Posted March 25, 2012 Thanks pk. Yeah it sounds like Zimmerman has not been convicted of any crimes so has a clean record. May we be one so that the world may be won. Christian from the cradle to the grave I believe in Hematology.
Members phkrause Posted March 25, 2012 Members Posted March 25, 2012 Thanks pk. Yeah it sounds like Zimmerman has not been convicted of any crimes so has a clean record. There's also a interview on NPR, if I'm not mistaken, about the crime watch neighborhood not even being legit. They are suppose to be registered. I'm trying to find it and when I do I'm post it. phkrause When the righteous are in authority, the people rejoice; But when a wicked man rules, the people groan. Proverbs 29;2
Moderators lazarus Posted March 25, 2012 Author Moderators Posted March 25, 2012 Good Point pk. For sure - we don't know if the photo is real or not. It doesn't matter if the photo is real. The point is that if Gerlado was wearing a hoodie when he was shot to death would it be correct to say that the hoodie is as much the reason for his death as the shooter. That's the point. Great spirits have always found violent opposition from mediocrities. The latter cannot understand it when a man does not thoughtlessly submit to hereditary prejudices but honestly and courageously uses his intelligence. Einstein
Woody Posted March 25, 2012 Posted March 25, 2012 The point is - in real life - Geraldo would not be caught dead in a hoodie. Excuse the pun. May we be one so that the world may be won. Christian from the cradle to the grave I believe in Hematology.
Members phkrause Posted March 25, 2012 Members Posted March 25, 2012 Originally Posted By: Woody Good Point pk. For sure - we don't know if the photo is real or not. It doesn't matter if the photo is real. The point is that if Gerlado was wearing a hoodie when he was shot to death would it be correct to say that the hoodie is as much the reason for his death as the shooter. That's the point. phkrause When the righteous are in authority, the people rejoice; But when a wicked man rules, the people groan. Proverbs 29;2
Moderators lazarus Posted March 25, 2012 Author Moderators Posted March 25, 2012 Quote: People often have an agenda that clouds their judgment and they are so judgment hungry and hate filled that they want to PRE-judge issues they know nothing about. That could be a quite accurate description of the shooter. He was told not to follow but he clearly had an agenda. His pre-judgement clouded his mind and cost the life of an innocent child. Clearly he already had problems with "they". Who were/are they who always get away? This guy is a wannabe cop nutcase who shouldn't be on the streets. There there is the police. Wow. Self-defence, give me a break. Great spirits have always found violent opposition from mediocrities. The latter cannot understand it when a man does not thoughtlessly submit to hereditary prejudices but honestly and courageously uses his intelligence. Einstein
Woody Posted March 26, 2012 Posted March 26, 2012 I have to wonder if Zimmerman tried to fake the Hoodies attack by breaking his own nose and giving himself a head injury? I have no doubt that this will go to trial. And I look forward to hearing the truth come out. I am sure a physician could determine if Zimmerman gave himself all of his injuries. May we be one so that the world may be won. Christian from the cradle to the grave I believe in Hematology.
Moderators Bravus Posted March 26, 2012 Moderators Posted March 26, 2012 The first police reports had no mention of Zimmerman being bloody at all. Truth is important
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