Moderators Bravus Posted May 22, 2012 Moderators Posted May 22, 2012 http://www.smh.com.au/opinion/society-an...0515-1youb.html Quote Truth is important
LifeHiscost Posted May 22, 2012 Posted May 22, 2012 http://www.smh.com.au/opinion/society-an...0515-1youb.html Is this what you're accepting as "truth", Bravus? And if it is, is it what you would expect of Infinite Love for the human family? Or, as the religion of evolution seems to accept, it's at least as viable for the individual as mating with primates, our distant cousins. "...preach the word; be urgent in season, out of season; reprove, rebuke, exhort, with all longsuffering and teaching. For the time will come when they will not endure the sound doctrine; but, having itching ears, will heap to themselves teachers after their own lusts; and will turn away their ears from the truth, and turn aside unto fables."2 Timothy 4:2-4 ASB God blesses! Quote Lift Jesus up!!
Moderators Bravus Posted May 22, 2012 Moderators Posted May 22, 2012 The cartoon is a lie. A dirty lie. I could ask whether that is what *you* are accepting as truth... Quote Truth is important
bonnie Posted May 22, 2012 Posted May 22, 2012 The cartoon is a lie. A dirty lie. I could ask whether that is what *you* are accepting as truth... Why should it be consdiered a lie? If a marriage is not to be between one man and one woman,why not? Why shouldn't someone have more than one legal spouse? That article starts out with one very important major flaw to those that believe that Christ was not simply a man born out of wedlock and allegedly sired by someone other than his mother's partner. Many no longer accept the divinity of Christ and relegate him to the role of a illegitimate child. For those that feel that way,it is not a leap to suggest that any union is not only permissable but desirable and right. Quote Everything you do is based on the choices you make. It's not your parents, your past relationships, your job, the economy, the weather, an argument, or your age that is to blame. You and only you are responsible for every decision and choice you make, period ... ... Wish more people would realize this. Quotes by Susan Gottesman
Guest Posted May 22, 2012 Posted May 22, 2012 The cartoon is a lie. A dirty lie. You seem to be missing the whole point of the cartoon. And It can't be a lie, because it's a question. How can a question be a lie? Much less a dirty lie? LOL Look at the cartoon again Bravus. This time try to focus. Quote
bonnie Posted May 22, 2012 Posted May 22, 2012 The cartoon is a lie. A dirty lie. I could ask whether that is what *you* are accepting as truth... How defensive you get over a cartoon.Yet you do not explain what is wrong with that concept. If three people want to be legally married,what do you care.If marriage is not between one man and one woman,I sure don't. Why can't a man have three wives? Does that hurt you if he provides and cares for them? If they are two consenting adults who are we to say a brother and sister can't marry?Doesn't hurt you a bit Quote Everything you do is based on the choices you make. It's not your parents, your past relationships, your job, the economy, the weather, an argument, or your age that is to blame. You and only you are responsible for every decision and choice you make, period ... ... Wish more people would realize this. Quotes by Susan Gottesman
Guest Posted May 22, 2012 Posted May 22, 2012 The question called for him to think about something. Therefore it must be a dirty lie. Quote
Guest Posted May 23, 2012 Posted May 23, 2012 And people wonder how liberals/progressives can stay locked into a set line of thinking even after, long after, it's been proven that it doesn't work. I give you exhibit A... Quote
Members phkrause Posted May 23, 2012 Members Posted May 23, 2012 And people wonder how liberals/progressives can stay locked into a set line of thinking even after, long after, it's been proven that it doesn't work. I give you exhibit A... I guess I'll take the side of the "liberal" and ask, and since "liberals" in general are ignorant and stupid and have no idea about anything, I will need for you to tell me what has been proven not to work? and what exhibit A is? Thanks in advance. Quote phkrause When the righteous are in authority, the people rejoice; But when a wicked man rules, the people groan. Proverbs 29;2
Moderators Bravus Posted May 23, 2012 Moderators Posted May 23, 2012 There have been thousands of polygamous marriages in history, and thousands of marriages of cousins. All between partners of the opposite sexes. The notion that gay marriage is likely to be the cause of polygamy and marriages of close relatives is simply nonsensical - if anything was likely to do so, it would be heterosexual marriage, based on all the evidence we have. I don't agree with everything in the article I posted - the speculation about Jesus, for example - but the fundamental point is an important one: the claim that the historical definition of marriage is one man and one women is simply untrue. (check the signature, one more time) Quote Truth is important
bonnie Posted May 23, 2012 Posted May 23, 2012 There have been thousands of polygamous marriages in history, and thousands of marriages of cousins. All between partners of the opposite sexes. The notion that gay marriage is likely to be the cause of polygamy and marriages of close relatives is simply nonsensical - if anything was likely to do so, it would be heterosexual marriage, based on all the evidence we have. Quote Everything you do is based on the choices you make. It's not your parents, your past relationships, your job, the economy, the weather, an argument, or your age that is to blame. You and only you are responsible for every decision and choice you make, period ... ... Wish more people would realize this. Quotes by Susan Gottesman
Moderators Bravus Posted May 23, 2012 Moderators Posted May 23, 2012 What about all that polygamy in the Bible? Your asserting something does not make it so. Quote Truth is important
Members phkrause Posted May 23, 2012 Members Posted May 23, 2012 Historically marriage has meant one man one woman from Adam and Eve.Don't think to many define marriage as what deviant behavior the Catholic church sanctoined in the 14th century. I agree Bonnie. Historical or not, its Biblical! And what God intended. Quote phkrause When the righteous are in authority, the people rejoice; But when a wicked man rules, the people groan. Proverbs 29;2
bonnie Posted May 23, 2012 Posted May 23, 2012 What about all that polygamy in the Bible? Your asserting something does not make it so. What about it? Many things are recorded in the bible that is not what God intended. Murder starting with Cain and down thru the ages. If you do not believe marriage is between one man and one woman,that is your business.Then define marriage as you perceive it. A homosexual lifestyle is deviant.A much higher authority than you,regardless of your education has said so. We cannot stop anyone from living a immoral lifestyle,that is their business,but too many want the definition changed so that it is acceptable and right. Others would like more than one spouse,doesn't make it right or something that as a country should be sanctioned. All this trying to make immorality and deviancy just another lifestyle choice is pointless. You can try to make immorality moral,but you will fail every time. The statement "As It Was In The Days of Noah" was a admonition given to those that do not feel superior to God and wanting to make void Quote Everything you do is based on the choices you make. It's not your parents, your past relationships, your job, the economy, the weather, an argument, or your age that is to blame. You and only you are responsible for every decision and choice you make, period ... ... Wish more people would realize this. Quotes by Susan Gottesman
Guest Posted May 23, 2012 Posted May 23, 2012 (check the signature, one more time) We all know you can spell the word truth. I'm proud for you. Now, if you would simply just answer the question posed in the cartoon. Once you take away, or discount the whole basis for marriage, which is God's plan as laid out in the Bible, and was instituted in the garden of Eden... Then what's to stop you from saying, for instance, that marriage is between a man and his goat? You can say it all you want, but it has no basis or foundation. It's based only on empty words. Quote
Guest Posted May 23, 2012 Posted May 23, 2012 I will need for you to tell me what has been proven not to work? Quote
Moderators Bravus Posted May 24, 2012 Moderators Posted May 24, 2012 You know what, I'll take that challenge. I'll answer the question, clearly and in detail. Not right now, because we're in the midst of packing to move house. But show a little patience, and we'll see what we'll see... Quote Truth is important
LifeHiscost Posted May 25, 2012 Posted May 25, 2012 Quote: The cartoon is a lie. A dirty lie. To tell you the truth I never figured out what the cartoon was trying to say. As to your observation, what are you saying is a dirty lie? God blesses! Quote Lift Jesus up!!
Moderators Bravus Posted May 27, 2012 Moderators Posted May 27, 2012 Quote: The cartoon is a lie. A dirty lie. To tell you the truth I never figured out what the cartoon was trying to say. As to your observation, what are you saying is a dirty lie? The cartoon is *insinuating* that opening the door to gay marriage will open the door to polygamy and marriage with close relatives. That is simply not true, because the grounds for objecting to each are different. It is a dirty lie precisely because it is set up so as to lead to a particular conclusion but offer (barely) plausible deniability that that conclusion is intended... Gutless sliming, without even the courage of its convictions. Quote Truth is important
Moderators Bravus Posted May 27, 2012 Moderators Posted May 27, 2012 {back in the office for the first time in 5 days, and with plenty to catch up on, but I'll be back} Quote Truth is important
Members phkrause Posted May 27, 2012 Members Posted May 27, 2012 The cartoon is *insinuating* that opening the door to gay marriage will open the door to polygamy and marriage with close relatives. That is simply not true, because the grounds for objecting to each are different. It is a dirty lie precisely because it is set up so as to lead to a particular conclusion but offer (barely) plausible deniability that that conclusion is intended... Gutless sliming, without even the courage of its convictions. You might be right Bravus, but I think there trying to imply something else! It will eventually come out. Quote phkrause When the righteous are in authority, the people rejoice; But when a wicked man rules, the people groan. Proverbs 29;2
Members phkrause Posted May 27, 2012 Members Posted May 27, 2012 {back in the office for the first time in 5 days, and with plenty to catch up on, but I'll be back} I'm guessing your move has gone well? Quote phkrause When the righteous are in authority, the people rejoice; But when a wicked man rules, the people groan. Proverbs 29;2
Moderators Bravus Posted May 27, 2012 Moderators Posted May 27, 2012 Yep! Hardest working weekend for a fair while, but we now live on the Gold Coast, surrounded by parks, 10 minutes from the beach and much closer to our daughter, so life is good. Quote Truth is important
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