Stan Posted May 27, 2012 Posted May 27, 2012 Pope Benedict XVI's butler, Paolo Gabriele, bottom left, rode in the popemobile with the pontiff as they arrived in St. Peter's square April 18 for the pope's weekly general audience. Gabriele has been accused of leaking confidential Vatican documents to the media in a scandal dubbed 'Vatileaks'. By Michael Winter, USA TODAY Updated: 2012-05-25 8:31 PM Vatican police have arrested Pope Benedict XVI's butler for allegedly leaking confidential documents and letters detailing claims of corruption, mismanagement and conflict in the Holy See, according to news reports from Italy. Paolo Gabriele, 46, has worked in the papal household since 2006. He was not named in the Vatican's announcement, but Italian media confirmed his identity through sources. The BBC has a profile of Gabriele, who lives with his wife and three sons in an apartment close to the Vatican walls. Spokesman Father Federico Lombardi said Vatican police found several classified documents in the suspect's quarters. The New York Times has more details of the scandal, dubbed "Vatileaks." If convicted by a Vatican court, Gabriele faces up to 30 years in prison for violating the privacy of the Pope's correspondence, which the Italian news agency AGI writes is "tantamount to that of a Head of State and therefore a violation of state security." AGI, quickly adds, however, that "the picture emerging in recent hours is that a fanatic may be behind the crime and this would lead to different legal actions," such as trial in an Italian court. The butler's arrest in the case dubbed "Vatileaks" came the same day the president of the Vatican Bank was fired for alleged mismanagement. The National Catholic Register, which has details from Italian media accounts, notes the scandal has a U.S. angle: A series of confidential documents and letters began appearing in the Italian media at the beginning of the year, each describing alleged corruption, mismanagement and internal conflicts within the Holy See. One contained personal letters to Pope Benedict XVI alleging corruption and written by the current apostolic nuncio to the United States, Archbishop Carlo Maria Viganò, when he was deputy head of Vatican city state last year. The allegations of mismanagement and cronyism were firmly denied by Archbishop Viganò's superior at the time, Cardinal Giovanni Lajolo. In response to the leaks, Pope Benedict appointed Spanish Cardinal Julian Herranz to head a commission of three cardinals to investigate their source. Thursday night, Herranz told the Catholic News Agency the leaks were "confusing souls and also giving the Church and the Holy See a completely unfair image." Quote If you receive benefit to being here please help out with expenses. https://www.paypal.me/clubadventist Administrator of a few websites like https://adventistdating.com
Woody Posted May 27, 2012 Posted May 27, 2012 With the candlestick? No. I'm sure that the "Vatileaks" are serious leakages. But, perhaps it will allow for us to understand the Pope better. Quote May we be one so that the world may be won. Christian from the cradle to the grave I believe in Hematology.
Administrators Gail Posted May 28, 2012 Administrators Posted May 28, 2012 With the candlestick? Yes, and in which room? Quote Isaiah 32:17 And the work of righteousness shall be peace; and the effect of righteousness quietness and assurance for ever.
Administrators Naomi Posted May 28, 2012 Administrators Posted May 28, 2012 Originally Posted By: Woody With the candlestick? Yes, and in which room? The basement, under the trap door Quote If your dreams are not big enough to scare you, they are not big enough for God
Woody Posted May 28, 2012 Posted May 28, 2012 Originally Posted By: Woody With the candlestick? Yes, and in which room? The Vati-room Quote May we be one so that the world may be won. Christian from the cradle to the grave I believe in Hematology.
hch Posted January 21, 2013 Posted January 21, 2013 Short thread much like the butler's sentence 12/23/12 pardoned in time for Christmas If I was a conspiracy theorist, I would be tempted to wonder if Pope Benedict might not have put him up to it to enable him to do some house cleaning. lol Quote His child Henry Bible student/Author https://www.loudcry101.com
hch Posted March 31, 2013 Posted March 31, 2013 Its always the Butler New pope in jail yesterday. Washing feet of 12 men and women. Quote His child Henry Bible student/Author https://www.loudcry101.com
Administrators debbym Posted March 31, 2013 Administrators Posted March 31, 2013 Quote: New pope in jail yesterday. Washing feet of 12 men and women. this is a very new and unusual pope. he is communicating far more powerfully by his actions then by his words. He is really connecting with the world quicker by these actions then by a trip with exhausting stops and parades around the world. This one is not to be underestimated. Quote deb Love awakens love. Let God be true and every man a liar.
ClubV12 Posted March 31, 2013 Posted March 31, 2013 Reminds of "preach a sermon", if necessary, use words. Quote
hch Posted March 31, 2013 Posted March 31, 2013 Quote: New pope in jail yesterday. Washing feet of 12 men and women. this is a very new and unusual pope. he is communicating far more powerfully by his actions then by his words. He is really connecting with the world quicker by these actions then by a trip with exhausting stops and parades around the world. This one is not to be underestimated. As I read prophecy, his time is very short. He needs to work fast. Quote His child Henry Bible student/Author https://www.loudcry101.com
ClubV12 Posted March 31, 2013 Posted March 31, 2013 What prophecy would that be? There is nothing in the bible or the Spirit of Prophecy that suggests a timeline. Quote
Administrators Naomi Posted March 31, 2013 Administrators Posted March 31, 2013 Quote: New pope in jail yesterday. Washing feet of 12 men and women. this is a very new and unusual pope. he is communicating far more powerfully by his actions then by his words. He is really connecting with the world quicker by these actions then by a trip with exhausting stops and parades around the world. This one is not to be underestimated. Quote If your dreams are not big enough to scare you, they are not big enough for God
Ted Oplinger Posted April 1, 2013 Posted April 1, 2013 I agree - this one bears watching. He is not your usual Pope, and I would think he is setting the stage for using some spiritual jujitsu upon those who think he will be an easy mark. Blessings, Quote "As iron sharpens iron, so also does one man sharpen another" - Proverbs 27:17 "The offense of the cross is that the cross is a confession of human frailty and sin and of inability to do any good thing. To take the cross of Christ means to depend solely on Him for everything, and this is the abasement of all human pride. Men love to fancy themselves independent. But let the cross be preached, let it be made known that in man dwells no good thing and that all must be received as a gift, and straightway someone is offended." Ellet J. Waggoner, The Glad Tidings "Courage is being scared to death - and saddling up anyway" - John Wayne "The person who pays an ounce of principle for a pound of popularity gets badly cheated" - Ronald Reagan
hch Posted April 1, 2013 Posted April 1, 2013 What prophecy would that be? There is nothing in the bible or the Spirit of Prophecy that suggests a timeline. Quote His child Henry Bible student/Author https://www.loudcry101.com
ClubV12 Posted April 1, 2013 Posted April 1, 2013 I completly disagree with your interpretation of Revelation 16 and the three unclean spirits being Popes or Presidents. That is NOT what Seventh-day Adventist believe or teach. I have an excellent grasp of the timeline of last day events, it is substantially different than yours. My views are in harmony with the Seventh-day Adventist Church, your views are not. I don't know where your theology comes from, I don't recognize it. Thats not an insult, it's just reality, it's just fact. Quote
hch Posted April 2, 2013 Posted April 2, 2013 I completly disagree with your interpretation of Revelation 16 and the three unclean spirits being Popes or Presidents. That is NOT what Seventh-day Adventist believe or teach. I have an excellent grasp of the timeline of last day events, it is substantially different than yours. My views are in harmony with the Seventh-day Adventist Church, your views are not. I don't know where your theology comes from, I don't recognize it. Thats not an insult, it's just reality, it's just fact. Quote His child Henry Bible student/Author https://www.loudcry101.com
ClubV12 Posted April 2, 2013 Posted April 2, 2013 James and Uriah disagreed on the interpretation of Daniel 11:45. To THIS DAY the Church has no official position on the interpretation of that verse. James and Uriah were in perfect unity with the organized Church in that regard. They both had opinions, I have an opinion, Roosenberg has an opinion, it's been that for a 100 years. Where you err significantly is in your attempt to make your own private interpretation, ignoring the counsel of the brethren and fostering a spirit of disunity. This is PRECISELY why Ellen White chastised James White and told him to keep quiet. It wasn't about what he thought, or what Uriah thought, it was about James speaking out of turn and bringing confusion and an argumentative spirit into the discussion over Daniel 11:45. Just as you are doing now! Quote
hch Posted April 3, 2013 Posted April 3, 2013 James and Uriah disagreed on the interpretation of Daniel 11:45. To THIS DAY the Church has no official position on the interpretation of that verse. James and Uriah were in perfect unity with the organized Church in that regard. They both had opinions, I have an opinion, Roosenberg has an opinion, it's been that for a 100 years. Where you err significantly is in your attempt to make your own private interpretation, ignoring the counsel of the brethren and fostering a spirit of disunity. This is PRECISELY why Ellen White chastised James White and told him to keep quiet. It wasn't about what he thought, or what Uriah thought, it was about James speaking out of turn and bringing confusion and an argumentative spirit into the discussion over Daniel 11:45. Just as you are doing now! I thank the Lord that He has given me strength to bear witness to the message for this hour. It deeply saddens me that my beloved church is in need of nothing and won't go from light unto light. my conscience is clear and if you won't hear, you will have to take it up with the Holy Spirit at His appointed time. Quote His child Henry Bible student/Author https://www.loudcry101.com
ClubV12 Posted April 3, 2013 Posted April 3, 2013 Where were we? Oh yeah, the butler did it, in the bell tower, the poor victim was talked to death... :) Quote
Members phkrause Posted April 3, 2013 Members Posted April 3, 2013 Where were we? Oh yeah, the butler did it, in the bell tower, the poor victim was talked to death... Quote phkrause When the righteous are in authority, the people rejoice; But when a wicked man rules, the people groan. Proverbs 29;2
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