Members rudywoofs (Pam) Posted July 3, 2012 Members Posted July 3, 2012 that no one wanted to comment on this: We women must remember that God has placed us subject to the husband. He is the head and our judgment and views and reasonings must agree with his if possible. If not, the preference in God’s Word is given to the husband where it is not a matter of conscience. We must yield to the head.—Letter 5, 1861. {2BIO 431.5} I guess it's easier to ignore what doesn't "fit" one's opinions... Quote Pam Meddle Not In the Affairs of Dragons; for You Are Crunchy and Taste Good with Ketchup. If we all sang the same note in the choir, there'd never be any harmony. Funny, isn't it, how we accept Grace for ourselves and demand justice for others?
Woody Posted July 3, 2012 Posted July 3, 2012 because it has little to do with how we relate to the church. Quote May we be one so that the world may be won. Christian from the cradle to the grave I believe in Hematology.
Members rudywoofs (Pam) Posted July 3, 2012 Author Members Posted July 3, 2012 because it has little to do with how we relate to the church. sorry, but I don't see it that way...people are using EGW quotes to sustain their opinions about the role of women vs men in the church and elsewhere. This is a great quote. And it isn't taken out of context or *snipped* to make it say something it doesn't. If the quote advocated the "headship" of women, some forum fanatics would be quoting it ad nauseum - in multiple threads and in the shout box. Quote Pam Meddle Not In the Affairs of Dragons; for You Are Crunchy and Taste Good with Ketchup. If we all sang the same note in the choir, there'd never be any harmony. Funny, isn't it, how we accept Grace for ourselves and demand justice for others?
Moderators Gerr Posted July 3, 2012 Moderators Posted July 3, 2012 that no one wanted to comment on this: Originally Posted By: Ellen White We women must remember that God has placed us subject to the husband. He is the head and our judgment and views and reasonings must agree with his if possible. If not, the preference in God’s Word is given to the husband where it is not a matter of conscience. We must yield to the head.—Letter 5, 1861. {2BIO 431.5} I guess it's easier to ignore what doesn't "fit" one's opinions... WOW!!! I've NEVER seen that quote before! I am totally shocked that my card-carrying fellow conservatives have not pounced on this before! Quote
Members phkrause Posted July 3, 2012 Members Posted July 3, 2012 Great post Pam. It sure says a lot doesn't it? I thought I did see this the other day on another thread. I also thought that I did comment, but maybe not. Quote phkrause When the righteous are in authority, the people rejoice; But when a wicked man rules, the people groan. Proverbs 29;2
Gordon1 Posted July 3, 2012 Posted July 3, 2012 We women must remember that God has placed us subject to the husband. He is the head and our judgment and views and reasonings must agree with his if possible. If not, the preference in God’s Word is given to the husband where it is not a matter of conscience. We must yield to the head.—Letter 5, 1861. {2BIO 431.5} That's a pretty direct statement Pam. Good find. She repeats the Bible counsel and affirms God's placement of husband and wife, including herself. Some have forgotten what God said to remember. Quote
Gordon1 Posted July 3, 2012 Posted July 3, 2012 But forgetfulness is not surprising in the great falling away - it shows the world's influence upon the apple of His eye. A remnant of men and women will restore the old paths. Quote
Woody Posted July 3, 2012 Posted July 3, 2012 Yes Pam - it is clearly talking about the husband and wife environment. But to transfer that to the church structure is a mighty big leap. Quote May we be one so that the world may be won. Christian from the cradle to the grave I believe in Hematology.
Gordon1 Posted July 3, 2012 Posted July 3, 2012 "Society is composed of families, and is what the heads of families make it... the heart of the community, of the church, and of the nation, is the household." Ministry of Healing 349. Quote
Moderators Gerr Posted July 3, 2012 Moderators Posted July 3, 2012 Yes Pam - it is clearly talking about the husband and wife environment. But to transfer that to the church structure is a mighty big leap. Ahem. If a woman cannot/should not be the head of ONE SMALL family, how is she going to be the head of a BIG/HUGE family (church)? Quote
CoAspen Posted July 3, 2012 Posted July 3, 2012 Quote: We women must remember that God has placed us subject to the husband. He is the head and our judgment and views and reasonings must agree with his if possible. If not, the preference in God’s Word is given to the husband where it is not a matter of conscience. We must yield to the head.—Letter 5, 1861. {2BIO 431.5} As long as we are being 'picky'! Who speaks to our conscience? Did EGW get 'permission' from her husband in order to do her work or speak out? Etc...etc...etc...We are back in the 'catch-22' loop, which came first..chicken or egg...etc, etc! Enjoy everyone!!! Quote
doug yowell Posted July 3, 2012 Posted July 3, 2012 Etc...etc...etc...We are back in the 'catch-22' loop, which came first..chicken or egg...etc, etc! Like your first question I think this one has already been settled. Besides,there are no Catch 22's with God. Quote
doug yowell Posted July 3, 2012 Posted July 3, 2012 Quote: We women must remember that God has placed us subject to the husband. He is the head and our judgment and views and reasonings must agree with his if possible. If not, the preference in God’s Word is given to the husband where it is not a matter of conscience. We must yield to the head.—Letter 5, 1861. {2BIO 431.5} As long as we are being 'picky'! Was Pam being picky for asking about it, or was EGW being picky for writing it? Quote
Woody Posted July 4, 2012 Posted July 4, 2012 Did she practice what she apparently preached? Quote May we be one so that the world may be won. Christian from the cradle to the grave I believe in Hematology.
Woody Posted July 4, 2012 Posted July 4, 2012 CoA - if it's anything like what she wrote about regarding vegetarianism - she didn't practice it. Quote May we be one so that the world may be won. Christian from the cradle to the grave I believe in Hematology.
Members rudywoofs (Pam) Posted July 4, 2012 Author Members Posted July 4, 2012 CoA - if it's anything like what she wrote about regarding vegetarianism - she didn't practice it. So....what exactly are you trying to say regarding the things EGW wrote? Did she mean: A. "Do as I say/write, but not as I do" (not very ethical) B. "It's okay not to do what I say/write, because I don't do it either." (why bother to write anything at all, then?) C. "I don't believe in what I say/write, so you don't have to either." (combination of A and D. None of the above. It's quite comical to see the backpedaling going on when one finds evidence that goes against one's pet issues...especially when the evidence comes from the very source held up as the symbol for proof.. Really, I'm not trying to be "picky"... I only proffered the quote because it seemed so straightforward.. Quote Pam Meddle Not In the Affairs of Dragons; for You Are Crunchy and Taste Good with Ketchup. If we all sang the same note in the choir, there'd never be any harmony. Funny, isn't it, how we accept Grace for ourselves and demand justice for others?
Woody Posted July 4, 2012 Posted July 4, 2012 All is good Pam. All is good. :) Quote May we be one so that the world may be won. Christian from the cradle to the grave I believe in Hematology.
Members rudywoofs (Pam) Posted July 4, 2012 Author Members Posted July 4, 2012 okay Quote Pam Meddle Not In the Affairs of Dragons; for You Are Crunchy and Taste Good with Ketchup. If we all sang the same note in the choir, there'd never be any harmony. Funny, isn't it, how we accept Grace for ourselves and demand justice for others?
Woody Posted July 4, 2012 Posted July 4, 2012 No problem. WHat is straight forward to one is not to another. That's why we have forums. :) Quote May we be one so that the world may be won. Christian from the cradle to the grave I believe in Hematology.
doug yowell Posted July 4, 2012 Posted July 4, 2012 As long as we are being 'picky'! > Was Pam being picky for asking about it, or was EGW being picky for writing it? < Who speaks to our conscience? Waiting...waiting.... You won't answer my question,CoA, but I'll answer yours even though it seems premised on a false notion. As Pam's quote clearly points out,EGW was establishing the relationship ordained by God for the effective managing of a marriage in this sinful world. She could not have used the "conscience clause" to invalidate the Biblical principle that she had previously stated. If God's Word establishes a principle then He will not contradict that principle via secret communication to one's conscience. Implying that needing permission from a husband to speak the testimony of Jesus in order to fulfill her original statement of subjection is another unnecessary strawman detour. Quote
doug yowell Posted July 4, 2012 Posted July 4, 2012 Originally Posted By: Woody CoA - if it's anything like what she wrote about regarding vegetarianism - she didn't practice it. So....what exactly are you trying to say regarding the things EGW wrote? Did she mean: A. "Do as I say/write, but not as I do" (not very ethical) B. "It's okay not to do what I say/write, because I don't do it either." (why bother to write anything at all, then?) C. "I don't believe in what I say/write, so you don't have to either." (combination of A and D. None of the above. Quote
CoAspen Posted July 5, 2012 Posted July 5, 2012 Say What??? Now that was a truly convoluted post...lost me! Shades of an other poster!!! But then..I could have predicted a none straight answer to a simple question!! Quote
olger Posted July 5, 2012 Posted July 5, 2012 Originally Posted By: Ellen White We women must remember that God has placed us subject to the husband. He is the head and our judgment and views and reasonings must agree with his if possible. If not, the preference in God’s Word is given to the husband where it is not a matter of conscience. We must yield to the head.—Letter 5, 1861. {2BIO 431.5} That's a pretty direct statement Pam. Good find. She repeats the Bible counsel and affirms God's placement of husband and wife, including herself. Some have forgotten what God said to remember. Indeed. That quote won't sit well with them who are trying to re-write history. Quote "Please don't feed the drama queens.."
olger Posted July 5, 2012 Posted July 5, 2012 "Society is composed of families, and is what the heads of families make it... the heart of the community, of the church, and of the nation, is the household." Ministry of Healing 349. Salient. Quote "Please don't feed the drama queens.."
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