End-Time Prophecies in Daniel

[Samie]

Hi forum mates: What can you say about the following chart?

[Gibs]

When the deadly wound is finally healed then the 42 mos of Rev 13:5 can begin. This cannot be the 1260 yrs to 1798 but is future. It is the last 42 mos, 3'1/2 yrs the beast is given to make war with the saints.

Re 13:3 And I saw one of his heads as it were wounded to death; and his deadly wound was healed: and all the world wondered after the beast.

Re 13:5 And there was given unto him a mouth speaking great things and blasphemies; and power was given unto him to continue forty and two months.

Re 13:7 And it was given unto him to make war with the saints, and to overcome them: and power was given him over all kindreds, and tongues, and nations.

We can now see the deadly wound is just about completely healed. Already some martyrdom without recompense is beginning. When it becomes rampant like it was before the wound without recompense to the system then you can start these 3'1/2 yrs of literal time. Prophetic time is past. No you will not be able to pinpoint the time but within a month I would say or possibly there will be a "decree", then you will know very close.

Re 10:6 And sware by him that liveth for ever and ever, who created heaven, and the things that therein are, and the earth, and the things that therein are, and the sea, and the things which are therein, that there should be time no longer: ( yr for a day timing )

Re 10:7 But in the days of the voice of the seventh angel, when he shall begin to sound, the mystery of God should be finished, as he hath declared to his servants the prophets.

Think about it, can it be as it has been taught? No and there is more that don't fit the building.

1Jo 4:4 ¶ Ye are of God, little children, and have overcome them: because greater is he that is in you, than he that is in the world.

[Lysimachus]

Totally disagree. Unbiblical. Jesuit futurism.

It's a mishmash of fusing texts together that do not belong together. Essentially, it requires sawing off the Little Horn both in Daniel 7 and Daniel 8 from whence they come, and inserting a 1500+ year gap between the beast and the horn.

It ignores the day-year principle.

This if FALSE theology.

[Samie]

Totally disagree. Unbiblical. Jesuit futurism.

It's a mishmash of fusing texts together that do not belong together. Essentially, it requires sawing off the Little Horn both in Daniel 7 and Daniel 8 from whence they come, and inserting a 1500+ year gap between the beast and the horn.

It ignores the day-year principle.

This if FALSE theology.

All mouth, as usual, Lys. No Scriptures to back you up.

Show how it is unbiblical. Come on. I challenge you. And stand up like a man. And please don't run away this time, brother, with so many other businesses to attend to.

And don't get confused. The days and years in my chart are literal days and years, as Scriptures say they are.

[Gibs]

Lys,

You ignore the time of when the prophecy is to take place is your problem and many with you. All of Rev chap 13 begins to happen after 1798.

You are ignoring when the crowns, king power left the heads of the beast, as in Rev 12:3 and now in Rev 13:1 you see they are now on the horns of the beast. This is your time clue as to when does it start of the prophecy.

Determining the time of all Apocalyptic prophecy is a hermanuetic very few have ever used. All of Apocalyptic prophecy has a given starting and ending time and sometimes is seemingly quite hidden but is there to be discerned.

Now on with the thinking cap on, you will read in verses 1-10 of Satan's "image" beast, also has 7 heads and 10 horns. But don't miss it appears leopard like. It also still carries elements spoken of by Dan.

Now in those verses you are clearly told Satan gives his "image" beast "and the dragon gave him his power, and his seat, and great authority." From verse, 2. Note HIS power, HIS seat and HIS great authority.

So now you can clearly see from the following verse who it is of Rev 13:11 onward. He, Satan is the one powering his "image" beast!

Re 13:15 And he had power to give life unto the image of the beast, that the image of the beast should both speak, and cause that as many as would not worship the image of the beast should be killed.

Yes fellow travellers in earths short time left, you need to see it is Satan who is the second beast of this chapter.

What interest do you think a falling rapidly USA has of bringing fire down from heaven to prove it is God?

But look around a bit and see who has always wanted to be worshipped as God. Not our friend by no means but the horrible advesary Satan.

Yes but, you say Satan is not a man as in verse 18, but I beg your pardon, in the hands of God he sure is, READ,

Eze 28:9 Wilt thou yet say before him that slayeth thee, I am God? but thou shalt be a man, and no God, in the hand of him that slayeth thee.

Eze 28:13 Thou hast been in Eden the garden of God; every precious stone was thy covering, the sardius, topaz, and the diamond, the beryl, the onyx, and the jasper, the sapphire, the emerald, and the carbuncle, and gold: the workmanship of thy tabrets and of thy pipes was prepared in thee in the day that thou wast created.

Eze 28:14 Thou art the anointed cherub that covereth; and I have set thee so: thou wast upon the holy mountain of God; thou hast walked up and down in the midst of the stones of fire.

Eze 28:15 Thou wast perfect in thy ways from the day that thou wast created, till iniquity was found in thee.

I post this because I know there is a few who will see this, most I know are too opinionated.

But,

Re 1:3 ¶ Blessed is he that readeth, and they that hear the words of this prophecy, and keep those things which are written therein: for the time is at hand.

1Jo 4:4 ¶ Ye are of God, little children, and have overcome them: because greater is he that is in you, than he that is in the world.

[skyblue888]

The Lord has already told us that after 1844 "there will never again be a message for the people of God that will be based on time." 1 S.M.188.

So I agree with Lysi.

Samie you are not a believer in the SoP. For those of us who believe in the SoP your chart means nothing except that it is a false interpretation.

We are living in the time of the proclamation of the third angel's message and we are specifically told that "the third angel's message can stand on its own foundation, and that it needs not time to strengthen it, and that it will go with mighty power, and to its work, and will be cut short in righteousness." 1 S.M.188.

The moment we think we can re-apply these time prophecies we need a point of reference and once we have that point of reference for the beginning of these time prophecies, we may know when the 1260, 1290, and the 1335 will end and thus we may know when the loud cry will end, when probation will end, and even when Christ shall come.

But "God has not revealed to us the time when this message (loud cry of the third angel) will close, or when probation will have an end." 1 S.M.191.

sky

[Samie]

The Lord has already told us that after 1844 "there will never again be a message for the people of God that will be based on time." 1 S.M.188.

So I agree with Lysi.

[skyblue888]

So you mean to say that you don't know when the setting up of the abomination will start? If you don't know that, what is the use of having these time prophecies? they would be of no use for we would not be able to make our calculations!

sky

[Gibs]

Sky,

I know well there is no more "time" prophecies after the 2300 day year one. That was the last of them to run yr for a day.

Now Rev 13: is a totally different story. It is very, very clear if you use what is given you in the scripture there that this can only happen after the deadly wound is inflicted.

The reason for this misapplication by the pioneers is simple to see. They had to have shown all prophecy was fullfiled by 1844 and when it didn't happen what they thought, there never was any recant. There never will be. The church will still hold to the same old same o. They also will not say anymore of the Papacy being the beast but have joined with her in some respects. Oh, you see they think the threat of the Papacy is no more but they are wrong, not that they realize the Papacy no longer has king power but that any threat now is historyl

Read it and see for yourself instead of flying back at me in unbelief. Rev 12:3 the crowns were on the heads, then Satan made a change once the deadly wound was inflicted to the ONE head of the beast the Papacy, in 1798 then you should note immediately Rev 13:1 Satan has changed the king power, crowns, to the horns. No religious system has had king power since. Beginning then Satan began raising up a new world governance system over the old system and now makes his "image" beast the power to rule the world.

Re 13:1 ¶ And I stood upon the sand of the sea, and saw a beast rise up out of the sea, having seven heads and ten horns, and upon his horns ten crowns, and upon his heads the name of blasphemy.

Re 13:2 And the beast which I saw was like unto a leopard, and his feet were as the feet of a bear, and his mouth as the mouth of a lion: and the dragon gave him his power, and his seat, and great authority.

Did you notice this is Satan's "image", because this beast also has seven heads and 10 horns now with the crowns and especially that Satan has given it, last part of verse 2, "the dragon gave him HIS power, and HIS seat, and GREAT AUTHORITY."

Notice "image", next verse,

Re 13:15 And he had power to give life unto the image of the beast, that the image of the beast should both speak, and cause that as many as would not worship the image of the beast should be killed.

Yes because you all will not think and see you do not know the prophecy.

Rev 13:1 through 10 is Satan's "image" new world order system. NWO

Rev 13:11 through 18 is about Satan as you read you can easily see it is he giving his "image" HIS POWER, HIS SEAT AND HIS GREAT AUTHORITY.

Yessiree, when that deadly wound is full healed the "image" beast system only has 42 mos literal time to continue to make war with the saints. That's it, no more time, period!

Those who have eyes to see and ears to hear will know when the deadly wound is healed completely and will know close the finish line. I can't see that Satan either will continue after that time either by any of the scripture there, but he will come forth personating Jesus Christ during that time and divides to the 10 horns their tenth of the worlds kingdoms. Rev 17:2.

Ellen knew different than what was being promulgated but she did not have the ruling hand, READ,

" In Revelation we read concerning Satan: "And he doeth great wonders, so that he maketh fire come down from heaven on the earth in the sight of men, and deceiveth them that dwell on the earth by the means of those miracles which he had power to do in the sight of the beast; saying to them that dwell on the earth, that they should make an image to the beast, which had the wound by a sword, and did live. And he had power to give life unto the image of the beast, that the image of the beast should both speak, and cause that as many as would not worship the image of the beast should be killed. And he causeth all, both small and great, rich and poor, free and bond, to receive a mark in their right hand, or in their foreheads: and that no man might buy or sell, save he that had the mark, or the name of the beast, or the number of his name" (Revelation 13:13-17). . . . {3SM 393.1}

Notice she quotes Rev 13:13 through 17. Now get your Bible and see if you can separate any verse from the context from Rev 13:11 through 18. Not and be honest and truthful you cannot!

1Jo 4:4 ¶ Ye are of God, little children, and have overcome them: because greater is he that is in you, than he that is in the world.

[skyblue888]

There is a problem with reading the entirety of the posts.

Am I the only one with that problem here?

sky

[Samie]

So you mean to say that you don't know when the setting up of the abomination will start? If you don't know that, what is the use of having these time prophecies? they would be of no use for we would not be able to make our calculations!

sky

Calculations!!! That's the very reason why there was Great Disappointment. And I thought you said we cannot know when the 2nd Coming will be. But now you wanted to know when the abomination will be set up, so you would know when Christ will come? Not for us to know, brother.

Time prophecies in Daniel serve as warning signals for us to know whether His coming is just around the bend. Just wait for Israel to be devastated again, and wait for the decree for its restoration, then the 70 weeks would have started, and some days would have been cleft off from the 2300 days.

[skyblue888]

Please don't put words in my mouth. I am only trying to follow your own reasoning. These are time prophecies. As a rule time prophecies have a starting point, don't they?

sky

[Samie]

Please don't put words in my mouth. I am only trying to follow your own reasoning. These are time prophecies. As a rule time prophecies have a starting point, don't they?

sky

Where in Scriptures did you derive that rule?

[skyblue888]

Where in the Scriptures is that rule not found?

sky

[Samie]

Where in the Scriptures is that rule not found?

sky

Ahh, Let me guess. So you're saying it is found all over Scriptures. Where?

[skyblue888]

We are talking about time prophecies wherever they are found in the Scriptures. As far as I know, they all have a starting point and an ending.

[Gibs]

Well Sky not all have a starting and ending time. And right now I will not search out some that don't.

Here is one though, Ge 3:15 And I will put enmity between thee and the woman, and between thy seed and her seed; it shall bruise thy head, and thou shalt bruise his heel.

But the biggy for now Rev 13:1-18 does so show me that it isn't from 1798 to the consumation. I say it is and it isn't hard to see it. I've posted how it is on previous posts and I don't see how it can be denied or better reasons given.

You need to catch the post I left an EGW quote on Satan being the one for the second beast of the chapter. If you can see it you will see it makes sense as it never has before.

1Jo 4:4 ¶ Ye are of God, little children, and have overcome them: because greater is he that is in you, than he that is in the world.

[Samie]

We are talking about time prophecies wherever they are found in the Scriptures. As far as I know, they all have a starting point and an ending.

Of course, they do have a starting and an ending, but not starting dates. Starting dates are products of men's imaginings, that's why there was the Great Disappointment, and ohh, so many irreconcilable discrepancies against what Scriptures say.

What discrepancy have you found in my chart in the OP, sky? Is there?