JoeMo Posted August 29, 2012 Posted August 29, 2012 I didn't know whether to feel blessed, motivated, or intimidated by this ad. What do you think? It may take a minute to start up ... http://www.youtube.com/watch_popup?v=D9vQt6IXXaM&hd
Nic Samojluk Posted August 29, 2012 Posted August 29, 2012 That is a great video. Thanks for sharing it with us the readers. This reminds me of the parable of the two sons of a farmer. The first one agreed to work on his father's farm, but didn’t show up for work; the other refused to work, but later on went to work. In this election, Catholics are willing to stand for what is right, while Adventists are silent on moral issues. Ellen White told us that heaven will hold us responsible if we fail to vote for those candidates who defend moral issues.
Members phkrause Posted August 29, 2012 Members Posted August 29, 2012 Great video JoeMo. phkrause When the righteous are in authority, the people rejoice; But when a wicked man rules, the people groan. Proverbs 29;2
Moderators Jeannieb43 Posted August 30, 2012 Moderators Posted August 30, 2012 Subliminal anti-Democratic propaganda. The Catholic church is not being forced to buy insurance for birth control; that's just a red herring. Jeannie<br /><br /><br />...Change is inevitable; growth is optional....
Woody Posted August 30, 2012 Posted August 30, 2012 Subliminal anti-Democratic propaganda. The Catholic church is not being forced to buy insurance for birth control; that's just a red herring. I am not sure - but you may be right. I know that this was the case initially. But I think that due to much justified outrage - the Obama admin. might have changed their it. Either way - it clearly demonstrates what the Obama admin. is about. May we be one so that the world may be won. Christian from the cradle to the grave I believe in Hematology.
Moderators Bravus Posted August 30, 2012 Moderators Posted August 30, 2012 If religions are going to get actively involved in politicking, time to revoke their tax exemption. Truth is important
Igakusei Posted August 30, 2012 Posted August 30, 2012 If religions are going to get actively involved in politicking, time to revoke their tax exemption. I feel like we've been past that point for a long time. I'm not sure that this applies to SDAs as much, but for the most part religion in the US just seems like another type of business venture. I believe in life before death
JoeMo Posted August 30, 2012 Author Posted August 30, 2012 Not to worry. In this financial crisis, I'm betting that all churches will lose their tax-exempt status, regardless of their participation in politics.
Igakusei Posted August 30, 2012 Posted August 30, 2012 Subliminal anti-Democratic propaganda. It wasn't very subliminal. I believe in life before death
CoAspen Posted August 30, 2012 Posted August 30, 2012 Quote: I am not sure - but you may be right. I know that this was the case initially. But I think that due to much justified outrage - the Obama admin. might have changed their it. Either way - it clearly demonstrates what the Obama admin. is about. Woody, just a unknowledgeable political hack answer!! If you really believe that to be true, then your reading sources need to be have a truth check! Townhall is not for political trash talking so would ADMIN please move it to the....well, you know where!! Thanks
Woody Posted August 30, 2012 Posted August 30, 2012 Quote: Woody, just a unknowledgeable political hack answer!! That may be or it may not be. What I find is that 'knowledge' is in the eye of the beholder. May we be one so that the world may be won. Christian from the cradle to the grave I believe in Hematology.
JoeMo Posted August 30, 2012 Author Posted August 30, 2012 IMO, When the church starts lobbying for the government to enforece a moral agenda, it implies that the church has given up and thown in the towel on bringing people to Jesus. The Holy Spirit is supposed to write the moral agenda ("the law") on our hearts. It is our job to lead people to Christ though love and example; not to lobby the government to force compliance to our personal moral code. As a church (not just SDA's; but all believers), we need to quit cowering in the pews inside our clubhouses and take Jesus to the streets. IMO, when the church is delegating enforcement of a moral code to the government, they bring us one step closer to ushering in the age of the Antichrist. Praying that the Church gets off its "donkey" and does the job Jesus gave us, JoeMo
Members phkrause Posted August 30, 2012 Members Posted August 30, 2012 Quote: I am not sure - but you may be right. I know that this was the case initially. But I think that due to much justified outrage - the Obama admin. might have changed their it. Either way - it clearly demonstrates what the Obama admin. is about. Woody, just a unknowledgeable political hack answer!! If you really believe that to be true, then your reading sources need to be have a truth check! Townhall is not for political trash talking so would ADMIN please move it to the....well, you know where!! Thanks Excellent point CoAspen. phkrause When the righteous are in authority, the people rejoice; But when a wicked man rules, the people groan. Proverbs 29;2
Members phkrause Posted August 30, 2012 Members Posted August 30, 2012 Originally Posted By: Bravus If religions are going to get actively involved in politicking, time to revoke their tax exemption. I feel like we've been past that point for a long time. I'm not sure that this applies to SDAs as much, but for the most part religion in the US just seems like another type of business venture. I have to agree Igakusei. Its not so much the SDA church per say,but many if not most other denominations are very much into being political instead of religious anymore. This is a big eyebrow raiser. phkrause When the righteous are in authority, the people rejoice; But when a wicked man rules, the people groan. Proverbs 29;2
Igakusei Posted August 30, 2012 Posted August 30, 2012 IMO, When the church starts lobbying for the government to enforece a moral agenda, it implies that the church has given up and thown in the towel on bringing people to Jesus. The Holy Spirit is supposed to write the moral agenda ("the law") on our hearts. It is our job to lead people to Christ though love and example; not to lobby the government to force compliance to our personal moral code. As a church (not just SDA's; but all believers), we need to quit cowering in the pews inside our clubhouses and take Jesus to the streets. IMO, when the church is delegating enforcement of a moral code to the government, they bring us one step closer to ushering in the age of the Antichrist. Praying that the Church gets off its "donkey" and does the job Jesus gave us, JoeMo Does that mean you don't vote to enforce your personal moral code on others (abortion, same-sex marriage, etc.)? I believe in life before death
JoeMo Posted August 30, 2012 Author Posted August 30, 2012 I "communicate" my moral code to others; but I don't "enforce" it upon others. For example, I might witness to others about the 7th-Day Sabbath; but I don't tell them they're gonna go to hell because they worship on Sunday.
JoeMo Posted August 30, 2012 Author Posted August 30, 2012 PHK and CoAspen, I apologize for initially posting this thread in the Townhall. I didn't realize that political and religious topics were prohibited here until after-the-fact. Stan and I have been working to move this thread to a more appropriate forum since I first posted the video yesterday; but something is "broken" in the software. Please be patient. I still consider myself as kind of a rookie here; but I'm learning! Blessings, JoeMo
JoeMo Posted August 30, 2012 Author Posted August 30, 2012 I may vote my conscience; but i don't proclaim it to the world. My conscience is MY conscience; and I have no right to force it on others.
Nic Samojluk Posted August 30, 2012 Posted August 30, 2012 If religions are going to get actively involved in politicking, time to revoke their tax exemption. Do you mean that religious individuals are deprived of their right to free speech and voting rights?
Nic Samojluk Posted August 30, 2012 Posted August 30, 2012 Not to worry. In this financial crisis, I'm betting that all churches will lose their tax-exempt status, regardless of their participation in politics. Yes, especially if Obamacare is not stopped by Congress!
Nic Samojluk Posted August 30, 2012 Posted August 30, 2012 IMO, When the church starts lobbying for the government to enforece a moral agenda, it implies that the church has given up and thown in the towel on bringing people to Jesus. The Holy Spirit is supposed to write the moral agenda ("the law") on our hearts. It is our job to lead people to Christ though love and example; not to lobby the government to force compliance to our personal moral code. As a church (not just SDA's; but all believers), we need to quit cowering in the pews inside our clubhouses and take Jesus to the streets. IMO, when the church is delegating enforcement of a moral code to the government, they bring us one step closer to ushering in the age of the Antichrist. Religious duty to preach Christ should not imply that religous people should be silent when their religious freedom is curtailed by the government and when they are required to biolate their conscience.
Nic Samojluk Posted August 30, 2012 Posted August 30, 2012 I "communicate" my moral code to others; but I don't "enforce" it upon others. For example, I might witness to others about the 7th-Day Sabbath; but I don't tell them they're gonna go to hell because they worship on Sunday. You mean that you do not vote for the enforcement of the moral code which forbids burglary, larceny, rape, incest, and the sexual abuse of children?
Nic Samojluk Posted August 30, 2012 Posted August 30, 2012 I may vote my conscience; but i don't proclaim it to the world. My conscience is MY conscience; and I have no right to force it on others. What happens when my conscience is being violated by the government? Should our duty to the government void our duty to God?
JoeMo Posted August 30, 2012 Author Posted August 30, 2012 Nic, Quit trying to paint me into a corner! What I do as an individual is quite different than what the church does as a political or corporate entity. I am not a "tax-free" entity - I have every right to influence the government as much as I want to within the law. What power I have as a limited, single individual fades to insignificance compared to the power a religion comprising over 25% of the people of the U.S can do. My measly one vote does not "enforce" squat on anyone. The church's job is to spread the Gospel; not lobby the government. If they want to influence government policy, they should register as lobbyists and pay their dues. Otherwise, they (as an organization) should stay out of politics; and let their individual members represent them by voting. If it's any of your concern, IMO God's law trumps civil law; and I do not knowingly vote for anarchists, perverts, or criminals. But I am not the church - I am an individual.
Recommended Posts