Q.E.D. Posted October 8, 2012 Posted October 8, 2012 Verse 20 "So the people shouted when the priests blew with the trumpets: and it came to pass, when the people heard the sound of the trumpet, and the people shouted with a great shout, that the wall fell down *flat, so that the people went up into the city, every man straight before him, and they took the city. 21 And they utterly destroyed all that was in the city, both man and woman, young and old, and ox, and sheep, and ass, with the edge of the sword" (Josua 6:19-21) Sooooooo, "God would never destroy anyone, He abandons them and Satan destroys them. . ." "To the law and to the testimony: if they speak not according to this word, it is because there is no light in them." Isaiah 8:20 Q.E.D. Satanic Verses-Salman Rushdie.
Gibs Posted October 8, 2012 Posted October 8, 2012 This was a wicked people and in righteousness God had them destroyed. It is interresting to note that because Rahab the harlot and her family were saved because she hid the spies Joshua sent. She showed love and compassion and God showed his for her because she did. Jos 6:17 ¶ And the city shall be accursed, even it, and all that are therein, to the LORD: only Rahab the harlot shall live, she and all that are with her in the house, because she hid the messengers that we sent. Jos 6:18 And ye, in any wise keep yourselves from the accursed thing, lest ye make yourselves accursed, when ye take of the accursed thing, and make the camp of Israel a curse, and trouble it. Notice too they were not to take of any accursed thing from the place, but,- - Jos 6:19 But all the silver, and gold, and vessels of brass and iron, are consecrated unto the LORD: they shall come into the treasury of the LORD. 1Jo 4:4 ¶ Ye are of God, little children, and have overcome them: because greater is he that is in you, than he that is in the world. A Freeman In Jesus Christ
Q.E.D. Posted October 9, 2012 Author Posted October 9, 2012 Achan's Sin "20 And Achan answered Joshua, and said, Indeed I have sinned against the LORD God of Israel, and thus and thus have I done: 21 When I saw among the spoils a goodly Babylonish garment, and two hundred shekels of silver, and a *wedge of gold of fifty shekels weight, then I coveted them, and took them; and, behold, they are hid in the earth in the midst of my tent, and the silver under it. 22 So Joshua sent messengers, and they ran unto the tent; and, behold, it was hid in his tent, and the silver under it. 23 And they took them out of the midst of the tent, and brought them unto Joshua, and unto all the children of Israel, and *laid them out before the LORD. 24 And Joshua, and all Israel with him, took Achan the son of Zerah, and the silver, and the garment, and the wedge of gold, and his sons, and his daughters, and his oxen, and his asses, and his sheep, and his tent, and all that he had: and they brought them unto the valley of Achor. 25 And Joshua said, Why hast thou troubled us? the LORD shall trouble thee this day. And all Israel stoned him with stones, and burned them with fire, after they had stoned them with stones.26 And they raised over him a great heap of stones unto this day. So the LORD turned from the fierceness of his anger. Wherefore the name of that place was called, The valley of *Achor, unto this day."(Jos 7:20-26) So much for the doctrine of "God never violates His own Holy Law" i.e. "Thou Shalt Not Kill." "To the law and to the testimony: if they speak not according to this word, it is because there is no light in them." Isaiah 8:20 Q.E.D. Satanic Verses-Salman Rushdie.
Q.E.D. Posted October 10, 2012 Author Posted October 10, 2012 God Commands The Utter Destruction of Ai by the Sword. "1 ¶ And the LORD said unto Joshua, Fear not, neither be thou dismayed: take all the people of war with thee, and arise, go up to Ai: see, I have given into thy hand the king of Ai, and his people, and his city, and his land: 2 And thou shalt do to Ai and her king as thou didst unto Jericho and her king: only the spoil thereof, and the cattle thereof, shall ye take for a prey unto yourselves: lay thee an ambush for the city behind it."(Jos 8:1-2) "24 And it came to pass, when Israel had made an end of slaying all the inhabitants of Ai in the field, in the wilderness wherein they chased them, and when they were all fallen on the edge of the sword, until they were consumed, that all the Israelites returned unto Ai, and smote it with the edge of the sword. 25 And so it was, that all that fell that day, both of men and women, were twelve thousand, even all the men of Ai. 26 For Joshua drew not his hand back, wherewith he stretched out the spear, until he had utterly destroyed all the inhabitants of Ai."(Jos 8:24-26) "29 And the king of Ai he hanged on a tree until eventide: and as soon as the sun was down, Joshua commanded that they should take his carcase down from the tree, and cast it at the entering of the gate of the city, and raise thereon a great heap of stones, that remaineth unto this day."(Jos 8:29) Apparently the "Passive Wrath" of God is not so "Passive". "To the law and to the testimony: if they speak not according to this word, it is because there is no light in them." Isaiah 8:20 Q.E.D. Satanic Verses-Salman Rushdie.
Gibs Posted October 10, 2012 Posted October 10, 2012 To me Q.E.D. that is an example of what He must do for the final cleanup of those who insist on being rebellious with Santan and his. This thing of rebellion against love and righteousness will then be forever ended as all then are of Him, for Him and with Him in all things eternally. All have seen the results of going against love righteousness and full benevolence toward all His creatures. There is not a one now in all His Kingdom that are not with Him fully for eternity. 1Jo 4:4 ¶ Ye are of God, little children, and have overcome them: because greater is he that is in you, than he that is in the world. A Freeman In Jesus Christ
Robert Posted October 11, 2012 Posted October 11, 2012 This was a wicked people and in righteousness God had them destroyed. There are wicked folks now, but I don't see Him commanding you are anyone else to wipe them out.
Robert Posted October 11, 2012 Posted October 11, 2012 Achan's Sin Whose sin? Achan's sin! Let's use the NIV: 24 Then Joshua, together with all Israel, took Achan son of Zerah...his sons and daughters,....to the Valley of Achor. ...Then all Israel stoned him, and after they had stoned the rest (i.e., his sons & daughters, etc.), they burned them. We have a problem, Huston. Ez 18:20 The soul (person) who sins is the one who will die. The son will not share the guilt of the father.... Something is wrong with this picture.
Q.E.D. Posted October 11, 2012 Author Posted October 11, 2012 Originally Posted By: Q.E.D. Achan's Sin Whose sin? Achan's sin! Let's use the NIV: 24 Then Joshua, together with all Israel, took Achan son of Zerah...his sons and daughters,....to the Valley of Achor. ...Then all Israel stoned him, and after they had stoned the rest (i.e., his sons & daughters, etc.), they burned them. We have a problem, Huston. Ez 18:20 The soul (person) who sins is the one who will die. The son will not share the guilt of the father.... Something is wrong with this picture. No problem, you forgot to include verse 26. . . Please read verse 26 in your corrupt NIV. Let's use the KJV: 26 "And they raised over him a great heap of stones unto this day. So the LORD turned from the fierceness of his anger. Wherefore the name of that place was called, The valley of *Achor, unto this day."(Jos 7:26) The picture is now in perfect focus. . . Q.E.D. Satanic Verses-Salman Rushdie.
Robert Posted October 11, 2012 Posted October 11, 2012 ... your corrupt NIV.... The soul who sins shall die. The son shall not bear the guilt of the father (NKJV)
BobRyan Posted October 11, 2012 Posted October 11, 2012 Verse 20 "So the people shouted when the priests blew with the trumpets: and it came to pass, when the people heard the sound of the trumpet, and the people shouted with a great shout, that the wall fell down *flat, so that the people went up into the city, every man straight before him, and they took the city.21 And they utterly destroyed all that was in the city, both man and woman, young and old, and ox, and sheep, and ass, with the edge of the sword" (Josua 6:19-21) Sooooooo, "God would never destroy anyone, He abandons them and Satan destroys them. . ." "To the law and to the testimony: if they speak not according to this word, it is because there is no light in them." Isaiah 8:20 Q.E.D. Does the Bible say that "Satan has prepared hell for himself and his angels" in Matt 25? Does the Bible say that "Satan casts himself into the lake of fire" in Rev 19 and 20? Does the Bible say that "Satan destroys himself" and reduces himself to ashes? Apparently God does not let this thing just fizzle on its own. in Christ, Bob John 8:32 - The Truth will make you free“The righteousness of Christ will not cover one cherished sin." COL 316.
Gibs Posted October 11, 2012 Posted October 11, 2012 Ro 9:28 For he will finish the work, and cut it short in righteousness: because a short work will the Lord make upon the earth. Re 19:11 And I saw heaven opened, and behold a white horse; and he that sat upon him was called Faithful and True, and in righteousness he doth judge and make war. He does all in righteousness and justice, no fault can be found in Him or his sentence given to the ungodly or the Godly, as none are counted Godly except coming to Him in the way and only way He has made for salvation. 1Jo 4:4 ¶ Ye are of God, little children, and have overcome them: because greater is he that is in you, than he that is in the world. A Freeman In Jesus Christ
Q.E.D. Posted October 11, 2012 Author Posted October 11, 2012 Originally Posted By: Q.E.D. ... your corrupt NIV.... The soul who sins shall die. The son shall not bear the guilt of the father (NKJV) JOSHUA 7:26 26 "And they raised over him a great heap of stones unto this day. So the LORD turned from the fierceness of his anger. Wherefore the name of that place was called, The valley of *Achor, unto this day."(Joshua 7:26) The LORD, The LORD, The LORD! turned, turned, turned! from the fierceness, from the fierceness, from the fierceness! of His anger, of His anger, of His anger! Which begs the question "Was the destruction by stoning and burning of Achan and his family and all his stuff approved by the LORD since only after this horrendous act was God's fierce anger was abated? Or to put it in common english, "Did God greatly smile upon Israel for killing wicked Achan and his family? And if God did "greatly smile" upon Israel by the "turning away the fierceness of His wrath", why would God approve of the killing of Achan, his wife and children when this would violate God's own 6th Commandment? "Enquiring Minds Want To Know. . ." Q.E.D. Satanic Verses-Salman Rushdie.
Robert Posted October 11, 2012 Posted October 11, 2012 You don't understand because, perhaps, the god of this world has blinded you in reference to God's character.
Q.E.D. Posted October 12, 2012 Author Posted October 12, 2012 Does the Bible say that "Satan has prepared hell for himself and his angels" in Matt 25? Does the Bible say that "Satan casts himself into the lake of fire" in Rev 19 and 20? Does the Bible say that "Satan destroys himself" and reduces himself to ashes? Apparently God does not let this thing just fizzle on its own. in Christ, Bob Q.E.D. Satanic Verses-Salman Rushdie.
Robert Posted October 12, 2012 Posted October 12, 2012 God can do what He wants. If He wants to kill, it's fine. If He wants to sin, again fine. If He wants to drink your blood, fine, He's God and anything He does isn't sin. It's only sin if we do it. That's how you nuts sound.
Robert Posted October 12, 2012 Posted October 12, 2012 "Enquiring Minds Want To Know. . ."Q.E.D. John 16:2 ...Yes, the time comes that whoever kills you will think that he offers service to God. 3 They will do these things because they have not known the Father, nor me. I am going to make a prophetic statement: You, and others who think like you, will be the first to persecute others who do not believe like you. After all, you can only reflect the type of God you believe in.
Gibs Posted October 12, 2012 Posted October 12, 2012 Now, Robert, you made a rash statement there I am afraid. It isn't our kind who persecute, it is the kind that can't stand the true testimony. They have to shut up the troublers of Israel you see. That is what we are called. Ya better join us! 1Jo 4:4 ¶ Ye are of God, little children, and have overcome them: because greater is he that is in you, than he that is in the world. A Freeman In Jesus Christ
Q.E.D. Posted October 13, 2012 Author Posted October 13, 2012 God can do what He wants. If He wants to kill, it's fine. If He wants to sin, again fine. If He wants to drink your blood, fine, He's God and anything He does isn't sin. It's only sin if we do it. That's how you nuts sound. That's a very strange response to the posted scriptures from the very Word of God. Please quote to us all where Q,E.D. or anyone one else in this forum has posted any of those statements. Stranger still is that you post such absurdities rather than address the quoted Bible verses in a cognizant and logical manner. So to give you another chance, here is the Bible verse and the "Enquiring Mind" questions. JOSHUA 7:26 26 "And they raised over him a great heap of stones unto this day. So the LORD turned from the fierceness of his anger. Wherefore the name of that place was called, The valley of *Achor, unto this day."(Joshua 7:26) Which begs the question "Was the destruction, by stoning and burning, of Achan and his family and all his stuff approved by the LORD since only after this horrendous act was God's fierce anger was abated? Or to put it in common english, "Did God greatly smile upon Israel for killing wicked Achan and his family? And if God did "greatly smile" upon Israel by the "turning away the fierceness of His wrath", why would God approve of the killing of Achan, his wife and children when this would violate God's own 6th Commandment? And for a Bonus Question: What exactly does the phrase "So the LORD turned from the fierceness of his anger." mean? "Enquiring Minds Want To Know. . ." Q.E.D. Satanic Verses-Salman Rushdie.
Q.E.D. Posted October 13, 2012 Author Posted October 13, 2012 Joshua 7:26 Twelve Parallel Translations NASB: They raised over him a great heap of stones that stands to this day, and the LORD turned from the fierceness of His anger. Therefore the name of that place has been called the valley of Achor to this day. NIV: Over Achan they heaped up a large pile of rocks, which remains to this day. Then the Lord turned from his fierce anger. Therefore that place has been called the Valley of Achor ever since. GWT: They made such a large pile of stones over Achan that it is still there today. Then the LORD withdrew his burning anger. For this reason that place is still called the valley of Achor today. KJV: And they raised over him a great heap of stones unto this day. So the LORD turned from the fierceness of his anger. Wherefore the name of that place was called, The valley of Achor, unto this day. ASV: And they raised over him a great heap of stones, unto this day; and Jehovah turned from the fierceness of his anger. Wherefore the name of that place was called, The valley of Achor, unto this day. BBE: And over him they put a great mass of stones, which is there to this day; then the heat of the Lord's wrath was turned away. So that place was named, The Valley of Achor, to this day. DBY: And they raised over him a great heap of stones, which is there to this day. And Jehovah turned from the fierceness of his anger. Therefore the name of that place was called, The Valley of Achor, to this day. ERV: And they raised over him a great heap of stones, unto this day; and the LORD turned from the fierceness of his anger. Wherefore the name of that place was called, The valley of Achor, unto this day. JPS: And they raised over him a great heap of stones, unto this day; and the LORD turned from the fierceness of His anger. Wherefore the name of that place was called The valley of Achor, unto this day. WBS: And they raised over him a great heap of stones to this day. So the LORD turned from the fierceness of his anger: wherefore the name of that place was called the valley of Achor to this day. WEB: They raised over him a great heap of stones that remains to this day. Yahweh turned from the fierceness of his anger. Therefore the name of that place was called "The valley of Achor" to this day. YLT: and they raise up over him a great heap of stones unto this day, and Jehovah turneth back from the heat of His anger, therefore hath one called the name of that place 'Valley of Achor' till this day. What does this verse mean? Q.E.D. Satanic Verses-Salman Rushdie.
Robert Posted October 13, 2012 Posted October 13, 2012 What does this verse mean?Q.E.D. I've explained all this.... Romans 1:18 For the wrath of God is revealed from heaven against all ungodliness (those living their lives without God, even though they know of God) ....24 Therefore God also gave them up Deut 31:17 Then my anger shall be kindled against them in that day, and I will forsake them, and I will hide my face from them, and they shall be devoured, and many evils and troubles shall come on them; so that they will say in that day, Haven't these evils come on us because our God is not among us? God's wrath - His reluctant departure from those who persistently reject Him - is passive.
Q.E.D. Posted October 13, 2012 Author Posted October 13, 2012 Originally Posted By: Q.E.D. What does this verse mean?Q.E.D. I've explained all this.... Romans 1:18 For the wrath of God is revealed from heaven against all ungodliness (those living their lives without God, even though they know of God) ....24 Therefore God also gave them up Deut 31:17 Then my anger shall be kindled against them in that day, and I will forsake them, and I will hide my face from them, and they shall be devoured, and many evils and troubles shall come on them; so that they will say in that day, Haven't these evils come on us because our God is not among us? God's wrath - His reluctant departure from those who persistently reject Him - is passive. Please try again. Your response does not provide the meaning of the verse. From whom was "the Lord's anger turned" and what does this phrase mean? JOSHUA 7:26 26 "And they raised over him a great heap of stones unto this day. So the LORD turned from the fierceness of his anger. Wherefore the name of that place was called, The valley of Achor, unto this day."(Joshua 7:26) Q.E.D. Satanic Verses-Salman Rushdie.
Robert Posted October 13, 2012 Posted October 13, 2012 I've explained "the wrath of God". Sorry, but if you can't accept it that's your problem.
Q.E.D. Posted October 13, 2012 Author Posted October 13, 2012 "The LORD Said Unto Joshua" "18 And the LORD said unto Joshua, Stretch out the spear that is in thy hand toward Ai; for I will give it into thine hand. And Joshua stretched out the spear that he had in his hand toward the city."(Jos 8:18) "23 And the king of Ai they took alive, and brought him to Joshua. 24 And it came to pass, when Israel had made an end of slaying all the inhabitants of Ai in the field, in the wilderness wherein they chased them, and when they were all fallen on the edge of the sword, until they were consumed, that all the Israelites returned unto Ai, and smote it with the edge of the sword. 25 And so it was, that all that fell that day, both of men and women, were twelve thousand, even all the men of Ai."(Jos 8:23-25) "26 For Joshua drew not his hand back, wherewith he stretched out the spear, until he had utterly destroyed all the inhabitants of Ai."(Jos 8:26) "29 And the king of Ai he hanged on a tree until eventide: and as soon as the sun was down, Joshua commanded that they should take his carcase down from the tree, and cast it at the entering of the gate of the city, and raise thereon a great heap of stones, that remaineth unto this day."(Joshua 8:29) Q.E.D. Satanic Verses-Salman Rushdie.
Q.E.D. Posted October 13, 2012 Author Posted October 13, 2012 I've explained "the wrath of God". Sorry, but if you can't accept it that's your problem. Methinks it's best to accept the Word of God, as it reads, rather than the tangled web theories of men. Q.E.D. Satanic Verses-Salman Rushdie.
Robert Posted October 13, 2012 Posted October 13, 2012 Originally Posted By: Robert I've explained "the wrath of God". Sorry, but if you can't accept it that's your problem. Methinks it's best to accept the Word of God, as it reads, rather than the tangled web theories of men. Q.E.D. Methinks, no, meknows that you are a surface reader and refuse to dig in deep. You are satisfied with ignorance. Hence ignorance is bliss!
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