The Godhead

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Genesis 1:26

(26) And God said, Let us make man in our image, after our likeness: and let them have dominion over the fish of the sea, and over the fowl of the air, and over the cattle, and over all the earth, and over every creeping thing that creepeth upon the earth.

[Gibs]

Yes He, the Father had brought out of Himself our Redeener before anything and It may have been the Redeemer speaking, saying "let us make man in our image." This was in the begining, the Redeemer, Yahweh of Hosts was the creator, the father had Him do it. Our Redeemer proceeded and came from the Father, the father sent Him forth.

Joh 8:42 Jesus said unto them, If God were your Father, ye would love me: for I proceeded forth and came from God; neither came I of myself, but he sent me.

Their image was the same image!

Joh 14:9 Jesus saith unto him, Have I been so long time with you, and yet hast thou not known me, Philip? he that hath seen me hath seen the Father; and how sayest thou then, Shew us the Father?

The idea of a Trinity Godhead messes up the right and only true understanding!

Joh 10:30 I and my Father are one.

1Jo 4:4 ¶ Ye are of God, little children, and have overcome them: because greater is he that is in you, than he that is in the world.

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Genesis 1:26

(26) And God said, Let us make man in our image, after our likeness: and let them have dominion over the fish of the sea, and over the fowl of the air, and over the cattle, and over all the earth, and over every creeping thing that creepeth upon the earth.

Genesis 3:22

(22) And the LORD God said, Behold, the man is become as one of us, to know good and evil: and now, lest he put forth his hand, and take also of the tree of life, and eat, and live for ever:

Genesis 11:6-7

(6) And the LORD said, Behold, the people is one, and they have all one language; and this they begin to do: and now nothing will be restrained from them, which they have imagined to do.

(7) Go to, let us go down, and there confound their language, that they may not understand one another's speech.

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Deuteronomy 6:4

(4) Hear, O Israel: The LORD our God is one LORD:

H259

אחד

'echâd

ekh-awd'

A numeral from H258; properly united, that is, one; or (as an ordinal) first: - a, alike, alone, altogether, and, any (-thing), apiece, a certain [dai-] ly, each (one), + eleven, every, few, first, + highway, a man, once, one, only, other, some, together.

The word one in this verse means one as in united not one as in singular. Previous verses showed God as us this shows a plurality as one in united.

[skyblue888]

Deuteronomy 6:4

(4) Hear, O Israel: The LORD our God is one LORD:

H259

אחד

'echâd

ekh-awd'

A numeral from H258; properly united, that is, one; or (as an ordinal) first: - a, alike, alone, altogether, and, any (-thing), apiece, a certain [dai-] ly, each (one), + eleven, every, few, first, + highway, a man, once, one, only, other, some, together.

The word one in this verse means one as in united not one as in singular. Previous verses showed God as us this shows a plurality as one in united.

Right on!

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[Gibs]

Mr 12:29 And Jesus answered him, The first of all the commandments is, Hear, O Israel; The Lord our God is one Lord:

Mr 12:32 And the scribe said unto him, Well, Master, thou hast said the truth: for there is one God; and there is none other but he:

God, Elohiym is the Father and His Redeemer whom Jesus is the body prepared for Him the Father to dwell in. Yes they are truly one, one is single, stands alone, no other.

It is not two Gods in agreement, but THE GOD, the one and only in the man Jesus Christ. So Jesus Christ is God the Father with us truly and in verity!

elohiym el-o-heem'

plural of 433; gods in the ordinary sense; but specifically used (in the plural thus, especially with the article) of the supreme God; occasionally applied by way of deference to magistrates; and sometimes as a superlative:--angels, X exceeding, God (gods)(-dess, -ly), X (very) great, judges, X mighty.

1Jo 4:4 ¶ Ye are of God, little children, and have overcome them: because greater is he that is in you, than he that is in the world.

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John 1:1

(1) In the beginning was the Word, and the Word was with God, and the Word was God.

This verse also has a plurality yet one. The word was with God (plurality), the word was God (one).

[Gail]

John 1:1

(1) In the beginning was the Word, and the Word was with God, and the Word was God.

This verse also has a plurality yet one. The word was with God (plurality), the word was God (one).

[Gibs]

Yes, the Word was Jesus Christ of Whom The Father dwelt in. So he too could claim I am the first. There can only be one first, means before any other. That is the one and only way that Jesus could claim "I am the first" and be true.

1Jo 4:4 ¶ Ye are of God, little children, and have overcome them: because greater is he that is in you, than he that is in the world.

[Dr. Waite]

Jesus Christ is our example in all things. Did Jesus Christ worship one person or two persons or three or more persons? Did Jesus Christ ever refer to any other person as God other than his Father?

[Gail]

Gibs, here is a 3ABN video clip in a sermon given by David Asscherick that might help. His aim here is to present Biblical evidence that the Holy Spirit is part of God.

The divinity of the Holy Spirit

[Gibs]

Well, none can get around this one as Jesus said this one,

Joh 4:24 God is a Spirit: and they that worship him must worship him in spirit and in truth.

1Jo 4:4 ¶ Ye are of God, little children, and have overcome them: because greater is he that is in you, than he that is in the world.

[Gail]

I think he covers that one, too :)

[Gail]

If you are not against the work of the Ellen White, he discusses page 671 of the Desire of Ages where she calls the Holy Spirit the Third Person of the Godhead.

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Well, none can get around this one as Jesus said this one,

Joh 4:24 God is a Spirit: and they that worship him must worship him in spirit and in truth.

1Jo 4:4 ¶ Ye are of God, little children, and have overcome them: because greater is he that is in you, than he that is in the world.

What is your point?

[Gibs]

Gail it is not understandable to me that she'd make that statement as that is not in agreeance with what Jesus said. Jo 4:24, I've posted before.

God the Father of all is not two or three persons but one. ONE GOD, and there is no other, the scripture is adamant.

He represents Himself to us in Triune only. This verse is true,

1Jo 5:7 For there are three that bear record in heaven, the Father, the Word, and the Holy Ghost: and these three are one.

Same as the Shema, proclamation to Israel,

De 6:4 ¶ Hear, O Israel: The LORD our God is one LORD:

1Jo 4:4 ¶ Ye are of God, little children, and have overcome them: because greater is he that is in you, than he that is in the world.

[Gail]

Gail it is not understandable to me that she'd make that statement as that is not in agreeance with what Jesus said. Jo 4:24, I've posted before.

Except that she did... When I looked that up at the White Estate, there were 5 places the term was used. Some had the term capitalized, some didn't.

Just keep learning- that's all we're doing.

[Gibs]

She used it more than that Gail and I think she used it about the comforter who Jesus tells us is His Presence by Spirit. So here we go, there is One Spirit.

Eph 2:18 For through him we both have access by one Spirit unto the Father.

Eph 4:4 There is one body, and one Spirit, even as ye are called in one hope of your calling;

One God and God is a Spirit Jesus told us. Jo 4:24

1Jo 4:4 ¶ Ye are of God, little children, and have overcome them: because greater is he that is in you, than he that is in the world

[Gail]

So the Spirit, even the Father who is spirit, can be a person. I don't have a problem with that.

The Holy Spirit is the second Comforter... Jesus said that if He went away He would send ANOTHER Comforter. He was the first one (1 John 2:1- paraklete). I thought that was an interesting point.

[Gail]

I'm still thinking that we cannot put God into some sort of idea that we can understand well, we being human

[Gibs]

True Gail, the finite will never know much of the infinite only as what is revealed we are capable of grasping.

When Jesus was here as one of us, He could only be with those around Him but now that He is come in Spirit He can be with all that will come to Him. Not many though know that they can hear His voice from within. We must learn to recognize and hear that voice of guidance that is always there.

He says

Joh 14:17 Even the Spirit of truth; whom the world cannot receive, because it seeth him not, neither knoweth him: but ye know him; for he dwelleth with you, and shall be in you.

Now Paul,

Php 2:5 Let this mind be in you, which was also in Christ Jesus:

And Jesus again,

Joh 14:20 At that day ye shall know that I am in my Father, and ye in me, and I in you.

1Jo 4:4 ¶ Ye are of God, little children, and have overcome them: because greater is he that is in you, than he that is in the world

[skyblue888]

So the Spirit, even the Father who is spirit, can be a person. I don't have a problem with that.

The Holy Spirit is the second Comforter... Jesus said that if He went away He would send ANOTHER Comforter. He was the first one (1 John 2:1- paraklete). I thought that was an interesting point.

Gail

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Exactly.

"The Godhead was stirred with pity for the race, and the Father, the Son, and the Holy Spirit GAVE THEMSELVES to the working out of the plan of salvation." Counsels on Health,222

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[Gail]

"The Godhead was stirred with pity for the race, and the Father, the Son, and the Holy Spirit GAVE THEMSELVES to the working out of the plan of salvation." Counsels on Health,222

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All parts of God are continually deferring to each other, which is cool. The Father gives all judgment to the Son, the Son does only what the Father's will is, the Spirit is the means of having Christ reign in the heart.

Ty Gibson talks about how if God IS love then there needs to be 3 parts to God's concept of love to be truly made manifest:

Love cannot be one, because then there is no one to receive it. Love needs a recipient.

Love cannot be two, because then it is still selfish. Sure, you CAN give it and receive it now, but you are receiving all the love from one source. You are also giving only to one recipient. If you do that even in earthly terms, you will see how it can be "you-focused."

Three is the lowest number within which you can truly experience God's concept of love. An earthly illustration of this is a family. In a childless marriage you can give and receive love, but you will notice how your idea of love is stretched when children come into the home. You are required to stretch your selflessness beyond the object of your desire to those who are totally dependent, self-centered, and unable to give back right away.

You need the threesome to be truly selfless, as God is.

[Gail]

True Gail, the finite will never know much of the infinite only as what is revealed we are capable of grasping.

When Jesus was here as one of us, He could only be with those around Him but now that He is come in Spirit He can be with all that will come to Him. Not many though know that they can hear His voice from within. We must learn to recognize and hear that voice of guidance that is always there.

He says

Joh 14:17 Even the Spirit of truth; whom the world cannot receive, because it seeth him not, neither knoweth him: but ye know him; for he dwelleth with you, and shall be in you.

Now Paul,

Php 2:5 Let this mind be in you, which was also in Christ Jesus:

And Jesus again,

Joh 14:20 At that day ye shall know that I am in my Father, and ye in me, and I in you.

I like this, Gibs!

[Guest]

I like it too.