Why Would Christ Not Celebrate Passover On A Full Moon?

[Samie]

In the thread entitled "Proof for Impossibility of a Non-Wednesday Crucifixion", (transferred to this location here), it was shown that astronomical data corroborated Scriptural data that Christ was crucified on the day following His celebration of Passover. The Lord celebrated Passover on a full moon, Tuesday night, March 27, 31 AD.

Those who believe in the Friday Crucifixion, April 27, 31 AD has no other recourse but to believe that Christ celebrated Passover Thursday night, April 26, 31 AD. But that date was not a full moon.

Hence, the title of this thread: "Why Would Christ Not Celebrate Passover On A Full Moon?", if indeed, the Lord was crucified Friday, April 27, 31 AD.

Any comments, forum mates?

[Gibs]

Well It matters not to me how many accept the following but this thing has to be by the Jubilee calendar and if you get the yr right then the history will jib.

Proving A.D. 30 is the Year of Christ’s Death

Daniel 9:27 says, ". . . In the middle of the ‘seven’ [or week] he will put an end to sacrifice and offering." Gabriel said that Jesus would die in the middle year of the seventieth week. (See Chart 6.7.) Since we know that Jesus died at the time of Passover (John 12), and since there is widely accepted astronomical data for A.D. 30 that is accurate to within two hours, there is sufficient evidence to prove beyond reasonable debate that Jesus was crucified on Friday, April 7, A.D. 30. (There is another signature seven in April 7!) If we allow Bible history and the synchrony of God’s Great Clocks to resolve the question of the time of His death, all of the data presented in the Gospels concerning Christ’s passion week harmoniously fits together. In fact, A.D. 30 exclusively satisfies the synchrony required by all seven clocks which the Creator devised! A.D. 30 is the only year during which all of the events described in Scripture could have occurred.

How Israel Measured Time

The Jews normally measured time inclusively. Any part of a year, month or day counted as a whole unit. Remember how Tiberius came to power about two months before Tishri 1 (the beginning of a new Jewish civil year), but Luke counted those two months as a whole year. (Luke 3:1) Similarly, if someone came to your home on Tuesday and left on Wednesday, the ancients would measure the time your guest visited in your home to be two days and two nights – Tuesday and Wednesday – even though the actual time was less than twenty-four hours. Because a day consists of a dark portion and a light portion, any part of two days was called "two days and two nights." This inclusive method for measuring time explains how Jesus could be dead for three days and three nights (Matthew 12:40), even though the Bible says the Father resurrected Jesus on – not after – the third day (Acts 10:40), which was Sunday, the first day of the week. (John 20:1-5) Using inclusive reckoning, Jesus was in the tomb for three days and three nights: Friday, Sabbath and Sunday. However, He was slain on Friday afternoon, rested in the Tomb on Sabbath and resurrected on Sunday. The number of hours that Jesus was dead was less than forty hours (two hours on Friday afternoon, twenty-four hours on Sabbath and ten to twelve hours on Sunday). The timing of this matter can be demonstrated beyond the point of reasonable controversy!

One more point about inclusive measurement of time. Eighteen prophetic time periods are in Daniel and Revelation’s seventeen prophecies, and from God’s perspective, all of them use inclusive reckoning. The decree by Artaxerxes in 457 B.C. occurs during the first year of the seventy weeks; therefore, the year of the decree is included in the count of 490 years. (See Chart 6.7.) The time period of forty years the Israelites spent in the wilderness was measured with inclusive reckoning. (Deuteronomy 2:14; Numbers 14:34) The three days allotted to Pharaoh’s cupbearer was measured with inclusive reckoning. (Genesis 40:12,13)

One Moon – Two Months

History says the Jews abandoned God’s "new moon" synchrony for determining the beginning of a new month. In its place, they adopted the Babylonian method of sighting the first crescent of a new moon to determine the beginning of a month. Even today, Jews and Moslems continue the practice of sighting a new moon to determine the beginning of a religious month. God’s synchrony for starting a new month is based on calculation, not observation. A new moon occurs when the moon crosses an imaginary line between Earth and the Sun. Since a new moon cannot be seen (the moon is between Earth and the Sun), the time of conjunction has to be calculated. Calculation of a new moon is not difficult. (See Numbers 28:14; 1 Samuel 20:24-27; Isaiah 66:23.) Of course, when two different methods for starting a given month are used, there are two different results. The difference between these two methods is usually two days. The sighting of the new crescent of a moon occurs in Jerusalem anywhere between sixteen to forty hours after conjunction. Because there are two methods for starting a new month (thus, two calendars) in the New Testament, there is confusion about the timing of Christ’s death.

The Bible indicates that Jesus and His disciples (and other Jews) observed Passover according to the "new moon" calendar, even though the nation of Israel observed its corporate Passover according to the Babylonian method for starting a new month. (Mark 14; John 13) Since the moon determines the first day of the month for both groups of people, the position of the moon plays an important role in determining the date for Passover. God commanded the Passover lamb to be slain on Nisan 14 as the day was ending, and after roasting the lamb for a few hours, it was to be eaten at midnight on the fifteenth day of the first month. The Lord passed over Egypt at midnight on the fifteenth of Nisan. (Exodus 12; Leviticus 23:5,6; Numbers 28:16,17; Luke 22:1-8) Therefore, any attempt to determine a date and time for the death of Jesus has to address the astronomical position of a new moon for Nisan 1, as well as the first sighting of the crescent of a new moon.

After the Babylonian captivity, the Jews often observed two Feasts of Passover in the same month. This conflict (and many other contradictory issues) gave the Romans another reason to mock the Jews. Even as late as the fourth century A.D., the emperor Constantine used the competing observance of two Passovers to prove that Christians should not depend upon the Jews to determine the correct time for Passover (the observance of Easter was determined by the time for Passover in those days). Notice his denigrating comments: "We ought not, therefore, to have anything in common with the Jews, for the Savior has shown us another way; our worship follows a more legitimate and more convenient course; and consequently, in unanimously adopting this mode, we desire, dearest brethren, to separate ourselves from the detestable company of the Jews, for it is truly shameful for us to hear them boast that without their direction we could not keep this feast [of Easter at the proper time]. How can they be in the right, they who, after the death of the Savior, have no longer been led by reason but by wild violence, as their delusions may urge them? They do not possess the truth in this Easter question; for in their blindness and repugnance to all improvement, they frequently celebrate two Passovers in the same year." (Eusebius, Vita Const., Lib iii., 18-20, insertions mine)

Two Passovers in One Week!

When Jesus came to Earth, He came to declare the truth on many issues which the Jews had distorted. The presence of two calendars (and two Passovers) in Israel solves an interesting mystery, namely, how Jesus could observe Passover at its appointed time with His disciples in the upper room (on Nisan 15 – Mark 14:14-16), and within the same year, also die at the time of the national Passover which took place on Nisan 15 (John 19:14-31)! The solution to this mystery is quite simple. Jesus and His disciples observed Passover in the upper room according to God’s synchrony for the month (new moon to new moon), but Jesus died on the cross according to the Babylonian method of starting a new month (the sighting of the first crescent of a new moon)! Since the observance of two calendars was a common part of Jewish life, Gospel writers do not specifically mention that two conflicting calendars existed. For two thousand years, this silence has caused a lot of controversy over the day and date of Christ’s death. I hope the following explanation eliminates the confusion surrounding the time of Christ’s death.

Jesus was crucified on Friday afternoon, April 7, A.D. 30, which is the precise year required by Daniel 9! Even though most Christians accept A.D. 30 as the year of Christ’s death, few understand that it is in the middle of the seventieth week and even fewer understand how this date is determined.

Step 1

Solar and lunar tables posted at the United States Naval Observatory (USNO) website offer astronomical data covering the years Jesus was on Earth. This data has been carefully verified by several astronomers through the years and is accurate to within one or two hours. The dates and times from the USNO are given in Universal Time. Notice the date of the equinox and the time of conjunction for years A.D. 29-31, especially notice the days of the week:

A.D. 29 Vernal Equinox: Tuesday, March 22, 4 p.m.

First New Moon on or after Equinox: Saturday, April 2, 5 p.m.

A.D. 30 Vernal Equinox: Wednesday, March 22, 10 p.m.

First New Moon on or after Equinox: Wednesday, March 22, 6 p.m.

A.D. 31 Vernal Equinox: Friday, March 23, 3 a.m.

First New Moon on or after Equinox: Tuesday, April 10,

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Source: http://aa.usno.navy.mil/AA/faq/docs/springphenom.html

Step 2

According to the dates and times published by the USNO, a new moon occurred on the same night as the Equinox in A.D. 30. (Jerusalem local time for the new moon was 8 p.m. and for the Equinox, midnight.) Since a new moon and the Equinox occurred on the same day, a new month and a new year began on Wednesday night, March 22, Universal Time. Converting Universal Time to Bible Time: Wednesday night, March 22 becomes Thursday, March 23 and Nisan 1. This translation is necessary because a day in God’s calendar begins at sundown. (Genesis 1; Leviticus 23:32) Notice in the New Moon calendar (Chart 6.8) that New Year’s day (Nisan 1) occurred on Thursday and Passover (Nisan 15) occurred on a Thursday in A.D. 30.

457 BC a Jubilee yr and the 1'st yr of the next cycle, go 490 more yrs brings us to 33 AD, the end of the 70'th wk allotted to the Jews, the next yr, 34 AD is a Jubilee and the first yr of the next cycle of 49's, 7x7.

Blessings to see the truth.

1Jo 4:4 ¶ Ye are of God, little children, and have overcome them: because greater is he that is in you, than he that is in the world.

[Gibs]

I believe the link in my above post has expired, it was an easier one to see what is what than the info of this one but it is there if you can see it,

http://aa.usno.navy.mil/faq/docs/SpringPhenom.php

30 CE or AD is the right yr. notice the jib is right on.

1Jo 4:4 ¶ Ye are of God, little children, and have overcome them: because greater is he that is in you, than he that is in the world.

[Samie]

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Jesus was crucified on Friday afternoon, April 7, A.D. 30, which is the precise year required by Daniel 9!...

Scriptures delineate that Christ was NOT crucified on 30 AD! Proof:

Luke records that Jesus was baptized on the 15th year of Tiberius’ reign as Emperor (see Luke 3:1, 21). History has it that Tiberius started his reign 14 AD. His 15th year therefore is 28 AD. There is then no escaping that in consonance with Scripture specification, Christ was baptized in 28 AD, the 15th year of Tiberius’ reign. John bears witness that after His baptism, Jesus spent 3 Passovers including the one just before His crucifixion (see John 2:13; 6:4; 11:55). The Passover in 28 AD cannot possibly be counted, because the Jews start their religious year in the first month Nisan or Abib, the Passover month, and the Passover that year, in all probability, had already passed when Jesus was baptized. This can be gleaned from the fact that after His baptism, His first miracle done at Cana came just days before a Passover feast (see John 2:11-13).

Because Passover is an annual feast, the 3 possible Passover feasts Christ celebrated after His baptism in 28 AD, were those in 29, 30 & 31 AD. This makes evident that Thursday, April 6, 30 AD cannot qualify as candidate for Christ’s last Passover celebration, because it would only account for 2 Passover feasts attended by Jesus before His crucifixion as against the 3 Passover feasts recorded by John. Thursday, April 6, 30 AD therefore fails to pass the test.

It is just impossible Christ was crucified 30 AD because He was still alive in 31 AD and celebrated His last Passover that year, completing the 3 Passover feasts he attended as recorded by John.

This proves that Christ was not crucified Friday, April 7, 30 AD.

[Gibs]

30 AD is the correct yr folks and there is no doubt about it, it won't jib up going a year later.

Also to go to 31 AD you would have to change the prophecy from 490 to 491 and that is not advisable.

The reckoning is inclusive. 457 BC a jubilee and also yr 1 of a new cycle so 457 is counted yr one and when you then count down through 1 BC you have 457 yrs, not 456 yrs as most want to do. the the count is 1 AD through 33 AD and then 34 AD is a jubilee and yr 1 of a new cycle.

Your mistake in the figures throws you off a yr.

Happy landings.

1Jo 4:4 ¶ Ye are of God, little children, and have overcome them: because greater is he that is in you, than he that is in the world.

[Stan]

wrong forum.