Educated man who didn't believe in religion dies and sees heaven?

[Gustave]

Does this jive as possible to SDA's or is this accounted as a farce and mockery?

Brain Surgeon dies and claims to have seen heaven

[BobRyan]

Should we just ignore what God's Word says about this? Is the last minute cycle of a computer as it powers down - more to be trusted than God.

Insert a virus into your machine - then do your taxes - do you trust the tax result? really? No matter what the software manufacturer says to the contrary?

This seems like an easy one.

in Christ,

Bob

[Gerr]

I do not doubt that he might have had a vision. However, there are two things he mentioned that are unscriptural that make me doubt that it is of divine origin - 1) You can do nothing wrong, 2) That the sister he never knew is in heaven.

[Gustave]

I do not doubt that he might have had a vision. However, there are two things he mentioned that are unscriptural that make me doubt that it is of divine origin - 1) You can do nothing wrong, 2) That the sister he never knew is in heaven.

You speak of this mans report as unscriptural yet claim Jesus could have sinned and lost His salvation...

...And maintain Ellen White was a real prophet.

...How can you say these things with a straight face?

[Gerr]

Originally Posted By: Gerry Cabalo

I do not doubt that he might have had a vision. However, there are two things he mentioned that are unscriptural that make me doubt that it is of divine origin - 1) You can do nothing wrong, 2) That the sister he never knew is in heaven.

You speak of this mans report as unscriptural yet claim Jesus could have sinned and lost His salvation...

...And maintain Ellen White was a real prophet.

...How can you say these things with a straight face?

If there was no possibility that Jesus could have disobeyed His Father, then His temptation and his becoming FLESH, were nothing but a farce.

[jasd]

(I’ve pulled the following, in large part, from my “potpourri” thread. Many of you will find it redundant – others who’ve not seen it before – may find it interesting in that Genesis 15 seems to strongly indicate that a spirit separates from its ‘tabernacle’; or as stated elsewhere, “...even to the cleaving asunder of soul and spirit...” Indeed,

it may be said that ‘Theistic evolution’ is the evolution of the spirit)

2 Cor 4:16 For which cause we faint not; but though our outward man perish, yet the inward man is renewed day by day.

St Paul provides us with a view of two men – the ‘tabernacled’ fleshly man, which is defined as ‘living soul’ – and the spirit man, which he declares is eternal; ie,

2 Cor 4:18 ...for the things which are seen are temporal; but the things which are not seen are eternal.

Has anyone here seen a man’s spirit? The unseen is eternal (2 Cor 4:18).

So, what then of the soul?—of the Spirit?

One, thinking that my question is irrelevant might recall that EGW proposed – that a soul could be both separate and cognizant apart from its physical ‘tent’. Nevertheless,

how does Writ address the matter?

Could Gd-inspired Gen 15:12 be relating anything other than exactly what it implies, that is, When Gd caused that “a deep sleep fell upon Abram … lo, an horror of great darkness…”; well,

did Gd covenant with the tabernacle Abram – wherein he doth groan, if you will, or with his spirit (the animate vitality, the constituent man)? What does Writ relate?

Gen 15:9 And he said unto him, Take me an heifer of three years old, and a she goat of three years old, and a ram of three years old, and a turtledove, and a young pigeon. v10 And he took unto him all these, and divided them in the midst, and laid each piece one against another: but the birds divided he not. v11 And when the fowls came down upon the carcases, Abram drove them away. v12 And when the sun was going down, a deep sleep fell upon Abram; and, lo, an horror of great darkness fell upon him. […] v17 And it came to pass, that, when the sun went down, and it was dark, behold a smoking furnace, and a burning lamp that passed between those pieces. v18 In the same day the LORD made a covenant with Abram,…

Wow, THAT! is some kind of BLOOD convenanting!

Gen 15:12 …a deep sleep fell upon Abram … lo, an horror of great darkness… (‘valley of the shadow of death’?)

Gen 15:17 …behold a smoking furnace, and a burning lamp that passed between those pieces. (…’pears to bear the somewhat syllogistic hallmark of an OBE – Out of Body Experience)

Prov 20:27 The spirit of man [is] the candle {#5216} of the LORD, searching all the inward parts of the belly.

candle: Strong’s #5216. … nerah, nay-raw; from a prim. Root [see #5214; #5135] prop. Mean. to glisten; a lamp (i.e. the burner) or light (lit. or fig.):--candle, lamp, light.

Alternately: -- Gen 15:17 …behold Gd (a smoking furnace), and the spirit of Abram (a burning lamp) that passed between those pieces.

Bbbut, “…rather fear him which is able to destroy both soul and body in hell.” (Mat 10:28)

Will destroy?—or, able to destroy? Which is it? And what of the spirit?

Writ distinguishes between soul and spirit – and it behooves one speaking of things Biblical to make the same distinction, yes?

[BobRyan]

I do not doubt that he might have had a vision. However, there are two things he mentioned that are unscriptural that make me doubt that it is of divine origin - 1) You can do nothing wrong, 2) That the sister he never knew is in heaven.

I agree that vision a very possible explanation - but the question is "what source?" - the content of the story would appear to rule out heaven. So that only leaves two sources.

[BobRyan]

Originally Posted By: Gerry Cabalo

I do not doubt that he might have had a vision. However, there are two things he mentioned that are unscriptural that make me doubt that it is of divine origin - 1) You can do nothing wrong, 2) That the sister he never knew is in heaven.

You speak of this mans report as unscriptural yet claim Jesus could have sinned and lost His salvation...

...And maintain Ellen White was a real prophet.

...How can you say these things with a straight face?

That one is easy - study the Bible as if it is the Word of God.

This is a board where a number of people do that - as it turns out.